vg|2011 SPINGOLD R16,Segment 1 of 4,I,1,16,Cayne,0,Schwartz,0|
rs|4SE=,5SE=,4SN-1,3NN-2,4SW+1,4HW+1,6NE=,4NE+2,3NS+1,3NN=,3NE-3,4HNx-2,4HS+2,4HS+2,3NE+1,3NE+1,2DEx+1,4SN-1,3SN-2,4SNx-3,3NS+1,3NS+1,3NS+2,3NS+1,2CN+3,3NS+1,4HE=,4CW+1,4CE-2,3SS+1,4HE=,4HW=|
pn|Seamon,Verhees,Cayne,V Prooijen,Kranyak,Versace,Schwartz,Lauria|pg||
qx|o1|st||md|3S863HJT973DK83CK7,SK42H54DJ642CAJ83,S5HAKQ62DQ95CT654,SAQJT97H8DAT7CQ92|sv|o|nt|Walddk2: and EW are from the Netherlands|pg||
nt|daman: and we're off|pg||
nt|Walddk2: flags|pg||
nt|othered1: Hi, everyone, from muggy central Pennsylvania, USA|pg||
nt|brolucius: Hi to the kibtzers!|pg||
nt|daman: Hi Ed|pg||
nt|daman: and Davis|pg||
nt|daman: David*|pg||
nt|brolucius: It's good to get our early typos out of the way. We will be finger perfect from now on.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the other tables are visible without login via  http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php  or  http://www.bridgebase.com/mobile/|pg||
nt|daman: NS will probably climb to 4@H   but EW will outbid them in @Ss|pg||
mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|brolucius: A spade-heart competitive bidding battle will start the session nicely.|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S=4+@S maybe 4@S and any longer suit|pg||
nt|brolucius: North passes?!|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|daman: wow|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW play Ultimate Canape    big club, strong NT, fun 2-level openings|pg||
nt|othered1: A prototypical Eastern Scientific pass.|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|daman: he didn't have his glasses on|pg||
nt|brolucius: What system are N/S playing that includes a pass on that North hand?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: yes north passed|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg||
nt|daman: they play 2/1|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Yes, Cayne is a sound bidder|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|s7|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Everyone who attends the daily jec matches knows that|pg||
nt|brolucius: Not winning bridge, I would say, to decline to mention a suit that good.|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|othered1: They seem to play late '60s/early '70s Eastern Scientific with gadgets, and t hings were much more conservative back then.|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|h2|pg||
nt|daman: without his daily matches....550 people have been left homeless|pg||
nt|Walddk2: More than that|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He often attracts close to 1,000|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg||
pc|sK|pc|hK|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg||
nt|daman: with no Cayne matches...his followers now go the the Relaxed Bridge Club to kibitz Roland|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c7|mc|10|nt|Walddk2: No info re closed room, I am sorry. I did ask Jan Martel about it, no reply|pg||
nt|brolucius: Anyway, it was one of the less exciting bidding battles between the major suits.|pg||
nt|othered1: In the right  hands, their standards for initial actions (look at non-space-consuminng direct overcalls opposite an unpassed  hand, too)  aren't bad, just way out of style.|pg||
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qx|o2|st||md|4SKT6HKJ8DQ65C9532,S753HAT4D987CQJ76,SAJ842HQ72DJTCAK8,SQ9H9653DAK432CT4|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|1N|nt|daman: you notice he did not open 1NT with 14|pg||
nt|daman: 15*|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N=4@H & 5+@C/@D  [Raptor]|pg||
nt|othered1: And note north's eschewing the 1N opening so popular with any flat 15 nowadays|pg||
mb|2S|mb|2N|nt|brolucius: What is the N/S published range for 1NT?|pg||
nt|daman: 15-17|pg||
nt|brolucius: So, most would open 1NT on that nowadays.|pg||
nt|daman: yes|pg||
mb|d|mb|3D|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|brolucius: When you do, 10% of 15-17 1NTs do contain a 5-card major suit.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Kaplan Rubens Hand Evaluator says North hand worth 14.60   http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi|pg||
pc|dK|nt|Walddk2: New book of yours, David?|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d9|nt|brolucius: Declarer likely to misguess the @SQ after East has shown his shape.|pg||
pc|dT|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW play upside-down count & attitude   odd/even 1st discard|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: they lead A or K from AK depending if they want count [King]  or attitude [Ace]|pg||
nt|brolucius: East has nine cards in the reds, West has six. So odds are 7 to 4 that West has the @SQ (vacant places)|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg||
pc|c6|mc|9|pg||
qx|o3|st||md|1SQ42HAT7DT765CK54,SKJT976HKQJ42DK9C,S83H95DA82CAJT832,SA5H863DQJ43CQ976|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16  for pairings in the Round of 16|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the other table is now open|pg||
mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 4+@H,  maybe 4@H and any longer suit  or 5@H 5@S|pg||
mb|d|nt|daman: did he really open 1@H?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: The number  1 seed, Diamond and team-mates, were eliminated last night|pg||
nt|daman: maybe they play canape|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2-suiters never open the longer suit|pg||
mb|2N|nt|daman: I am told they play canape|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW play  Ultimate Canape    the Russ Ekeblad system|pg||
nt|brolucius: I thought that was a cookery book.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: yes they play that|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I am not sure why it is sounder to bid 2@C now than it was to bid 2@H earlier|pg||
nt|daman: about mushrooms|pg||
mb|4C|nt|othered1: Overcall standards opposite a passed hand are lower for NS|pg||
mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|an|canape|mb|p|nt|brolucius: East did not support the hearts immediately because there was a good chance that West held only 4 hearts and perhaps a longer minor.|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: vP DBL is values -- not really "negative" with implications about distribution|pg||
pc|cA|nt|daman: way to put the brakes on|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|s6|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|s8|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the non-1@C opening bids are limited to about 15 HCP  [and some 15 get upgraded]|pg||
pc|sK|pc|c2|pc|h3|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg||
pc|d9|nt|brolucius: South will have shown his diamond count, to allow North to take the @DA at the right moment (when declarer leads his last diamond).|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the women's final of the Wagar is NOT playing the same boards   and we really missed some good semi-final matches yesterday :(|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|sT|pg||
nt|brolucius: It is normal to have an agreement on which cards you will use to signal count from x-x-x-x. If you agree, for example, to play 2nd and then 3rd, partner can usually tell whether ...|pg||
nt|brolucius: you have two or four. |pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg||
pc|cK|pc|sJ|mc|11|pg||
qx|o4|st||md|2SAQT7653H96D32C52,S82HATD96CKQJT976,SJ9HQ87432DQT74C8,SK4HKJ5DAKJ85CA43|sv|b|nt|daman: 3NT by East looks like a solid bet|pg||
mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C=10-15   6+@C [1-suit]  OR   4@C & 5+@S |pg||
mb|2D!|mb|2S|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 2@D is Relay but does NOT promise any points|pg||
nt|brolucius: You certainly couldn't start playing the E/W system overnight. Must take years to discover all the wrinkles and possible problems.|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: 6NT by East is a decent contract in fact|pg||
nt|brolucius: I would be terrified of getting my long suit shut out, if I ever played a canape system.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but it is fun when canape shuts out OPPONENT's suit|pg||
mb|4C|an|keycards|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4@C  i hope verhees knows it is forcing|pg||
nt|brolucius: Only a club lead does not give away an immediate 12th trick, if East plays 6NT. On a club lead, declarer can take the diamond finesse or spend half an hour running the clubs. |pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|nt|daman: here comes Easley|pg||
mb|4N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: sorry i haven't studied system in a while     3@C was 6+@C that did NOT want to PASS   2N would have shown 6+@C with @S stop|pg||
mb|5S|mb|p|mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|brolucius: Well bid.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: 4cl is not keycard|pg||
nt|daman: took them a while but they got there|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: i have a trusted side kick that lied to me|pg||
pc|h6|nt|ahollan1: seems that 4@C asked for cue of 1st/2nd round controls|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg||
nt|ahollan1: then 4N was RKC|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|s3|nt|brolucius: North might have doubled 4@H if he held the @HK over the @HA, so heart lead was not likely to strike gold.|pg||
pc|s2|pc|h3|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|h4|pg||
nt|brolucius: Although with them holding so many points, 4@H doubled might get redoubled.|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|s9|pc|c4|pc|s5|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|h7|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg||
pc|cT|pc|h8|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg||
pc|c9|mc|12|pg||
qx|c4|st||md|2SAQT7653H96D32C52,S82HATD96CKQJT976,SJ9HQ87432DQT74C8,SK4HKJ5DAKJ85CA43|sv|b|nt|joest: another wild hand|pg||
nt|roswolf: hmmmmmmmmm|pg||
mb|1C|nt|joest: is this 3@h too big?|pg||
nt|joest: guess so|pg||
nt|swanson: A 3@C preempt with the South hand can cause serious problems for the opponents but creates havoc with consturctive bidding over your own preempts.  A partnership style.|pg||
nt|joest: Kit you would bid 3@h in your sleep, right?|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: EW play fairly standard 5-card majors, strong notrump, short club - i am hunting for NS's convention card|pg||
mb|1D|nt|kit: Yes, I would|pg||
nt|joest: transfer then key cards?|pg||
nt|joest: then a mournful signoff in 5@s|pg||
nt|kit: seems normal -- basically what happened in other room, after 2@H opening and 2NT overcall|pg||
nt|sybarra: can Berk get back in iwth H!?|pg||
nt|sybarra: with @H?|pg||
nt|joest: not over 4@h he can't|pg||
nt|kit: Of course, after 3@H opening might have been more interesting|pg||
nt|roswolf: just need to rightside the slam|pg||
nt|ady: still only 11 sure tricks    |pg||
mb|2S|nt|Walddk4: Anyone know contract, declarer and number of tricks on board 2, so that I can give Bruce the code|pg||
mb|3C|mb|p|mb|4N|nt|kit: I'm surprised -- I thought they made 4-level transfer and then RKC|pg||
nt|kit: Pass over the double shows doubleton spade I think|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: inly a club lead from south does not immediately give the 12th|pg||
nt|athene: i think Versace can happily bid 3@C there to show his long club suit without implying loads of hcp|pg||
nt|athene: because with any strong hand he would start with a double|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: they are playing 5@s in the open|pg||
nt|ady: as kibs suggest almost certain to make|pg||
nt|athene: it might look as though declarer is sure to succeed, even on a club lead, in 6nt, because both red suit finesses work|pg||
mb|p|nt|roswolf: whoops|pg||
nt|athene: but there are ways to go down|pg||
nt|athene: you might play for a strip-and-throw-in on south, playing him for @HQ or @DK |pg||
nt|athene: hmmm|pg||
nt|ady: best contract 6@C from east side   can ruff out the diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: i think Lauria intended that 4nt as blackwood|pg||
nt|roswolf: there could be an animated post-mortem on this one|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hT|nt|athene: maybe he should simply have bid 6NT - not really possible for Versace to have no ace|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|swanson: I don't like a double here with the West cards.  You don't want to demand a heart lead, buying the contract is unlikely, and it gives help to the opponents in the auction and the ...|pg||
nt|swanson: play.|pg||
nt|ady: did not expect this swing|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
nt|kit: I agree John, but one hates to never bid with that hand|pg||
nt|roswolf: world class players having a bidding misunderstanding in a very simple sequence - there is hope for us mere mortals still|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hA|nt|kit: The 4@D call is a splinter, and when Robinson showed no interest Boyd gave up on slam -- reasonable|pg||
nt|kit: After all, could have been off 3 aces on a bad day.|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|s3|nt|athene: maybe he was still interested in a grand slam|pg||
mc|12|nt|athene: of course, every pair must have its own rules about when 4NT is (or is not) blackwood, so it's hard to know who is to blame|pg||
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qx|o5|st||md|3SAT954HQ32DQ96CKT,SKQ832HKTDK7CQ952,SJ7HA7DA85432CAJ3,S6HJ98654DJTC8764|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|2H|nt|bigtrain: 2@D = 5-7|pg||
nt|bigtrain: sorry private|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|brolucius: South might perhaps have bid 2@S instead of the double, since he went to game anyway.|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg||
nt|ahollan1: maybe they play negative free bids??|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg||
nt|brolucius: That doesn't sound very 1950s.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: on  4  Lauria in 4N|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|daman: 1960s|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cT|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c5|st||md|3SAT954HQ32DQ96CKT,SKQ832HKTDK7CQ952,SJ7HA7DA85432CAJ3,S6HJ98654DJTC8764|sv|n|nt|kit: did Boyd really ruff the ace of hearts by accident?|pg||
nt|joest: he overruffed actually|pg||
nt|wygbe1: overruffed east|pg||
nt|kit: oh, sorry -- okay|pg||
nt|athene: versace might have felt that lauria had other ways to set clubs before bidding 4nt|pg||
nt|roswolf: a gift for schwartz|pg||
nt|athene: e.g. 4@C|pg||
mb|1N|nt|joest: the feared Flannery|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: 2@H is Flannery|pg||
nt|timb: Reese intimated it was almost useless|pg||
nt|sybarra: Roland bans us from commenting for using that word :) |pg||
nt|joest: an overly maligned convention|pg||
nt|roswolf: an upgrade?|pg||
mb|2H|nt|timb: which one - Reese or useless|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: flannery!|pg||
nt|ady: no problem to make 3NT for n/s|pg||
mb|2S|nt|kit: This may steal the pot|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|nt|timb: theorists would argue it's has too a low frequency to use for a 2-level bid|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk4: http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php, or http://www.bridgebase.com/mobile/  Watch multiple tables (without logging in) |pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: I've played it often and I think it's primary benefit is on hands where it is not used|pg||
nt|joest: you can respond 1NT a lot more often over 1@h and not have to worry about responding 1@s on Jxxx or something like that|pg||
nt|athene: the EW convention card does say they play modified turbo rather than blackwood when clubs are trump|pg||
nt|athene: certainly 4nt blackwood is not so much use in clubs|pg||
pc|h4|nt|kit: Looks like both 2@S and 3@D are makes here, so possible pickup for Robinson|pg||
nt|ady: heart lead declarer will run round to ace|pg||
nt|athene: so turbo uses 4NT to say "i have an even number of keycards"|pg||
nt|ady: then obviously play on diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: maybe that is what 4nt said - "i have slam interest in clubs and an even number of keycards" and versace was not at libterty to pass it|pg||
pc|h2|nt|timb: like many conventions ;)|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hA|pg||
nt|joest: plus when you do bid 1@s and get raised it is almost 100% to be a 3 card raise|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg||
nt|ady: minimum 9 tricks    likely more with west getting squeezed holding all the important cards|pg||
nt|athene: a guess in diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: cashing the ace first would have resolved that|pg||
nt|ady: I would have tht ace first|pg||
nt|athene: Versace can count his partner for very few HCP|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c6|nt|roswolf: with that dummy west knows this will make |pg||
pc|cK|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d7|nt|swanson: My experience is that Flannery is an OK convention.  If I remember correctly William Flannery gave up using his own convention.|pg||
pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|joest: nice d|pg||
nt|athene: declarer might not want to deal with a second heart from east, which is good news in diamonds|pg||
pc|d8|pc|h5|pc|d6|nt|athene: as he will play the ace to guard against that|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|joest: now when the spade hook loses anothe diamond, a pitch by cohler and voila a second trump trick|pg||
pc|d5|pc|c4|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg||
pc|d4|pc|c7|pc|s5|pc|c2|pg||
pc|d3|pc|h6|pc|s9|pc|s8|pg||
nt|ady: might only make 9|pg||
nt|athene: duck a heart is safe now, and might be indicated by the play|pg||
nt|athene: if versace did not have the @HK he would likely have returned the suit hoping his partner had a diamond entry|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|sA|nt|athene: actually sorry still not totally safe; versace might have all the hearts|pg||
pc|sQ|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg||
nt|athene: i don't think declarer can rule that out entirely|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o6|st||md|4SKT4HJ862DAT93CA4,SQJ85HA4DK742CJ75,S9632HKQT97DJ6CT8,SA7H53DQ85CKQ9632|sv|e|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: same 2@C opening as before -- unless you want the full announcement again|pg||
nt|daman: 2@C=10-15   6+@C [1-suit]  OR   4@C & 5+@S |pg||
mb|2H!|mb|p|nt|brolucius: South worth a double of a natural 1@C, but just a shade too weak over a natural 2@C.|pg||
mb|2S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H=6+@C, not solid @C & 7/8 tricks|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@S=INV a) @C/@D  b) 5@H/@S  c) NT        everybody taking notes???|pg||
nt|daman: I am|pg||
mb|2N|an|alreat|mb|p|nt|brolucius: No, I am just trying to remember it all.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2N=balanced  MAX|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|nt|brolucius: 11 is maximum within the 10-15 range?|pg||
nt|daman: this should have no shot|pg||
nt|ahollan1: not sure why vP called that max [2N] instead of min [3@C]|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Lauria-Versace missed the slam on board 4|pg||
pc|d2|nt|daman: unless he doesn't play a @H when in with the Club Ace|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg||
nt|brolucius: Some junior players would have risked 2@H on the North cards, over 2@D.|pg||
nt|brolucius: I guess Cayne is not a junior.|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: kaboom|pg||
pc|hK|nt|daman: tilt|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
pc|hT|mc|6|pg||
qx|c6|st||md|4SKT4HJ862DAT93CA4,SQJ85HA4DK742CJ75,S9632HKQT97DJ6CT8,SA7H53DQ85CKQ9632|sv|e|nt|joest: One of the players tonight, Bill Cole, gave up using his own convention.  It happens! :)|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|nt|joest: we'll see if they play 3@s is weak here|pg||
mb|1D|nt|kit: they do -- and effective here|pg||
nt|ady: 22 pts 3NT came to grief in OR|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|athene: interesting that Lauria passes 1@H; i would have thought 2@C was ok with that suit|pg||
nt|ady: seems normal to open on east hand     but not to get as high as 3NT|pg||
nt|athene: they don't play support doubles, as mentioned before, so that was not an option|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|joest: 4@s is a bit pushy but 'I was vulnerable at IMPs' covers a lot of ground|pg||
nt|kit: hmm -- something may have gone wrong -- East hand surely not worth 4@S if 3@S preemptive, and West hand surely not worth limit raise|pg||
nt|joest: ok 4@s is a lot pushy |pg||
nt|kit: Still, on a better day 4@S might have made|pg||
nt|athene: worth a mention here that south bids 2@D as a cue rather than 2@C|pg||
nt|roswolf: here the matter should rest|pg||
nt|athene: 2@D is more clearly a cue raise of hearts because south can't want to show diamonds naturally, after west bid them|pg||
nt|athene: given south passed over 1@C|pg||
nt|athene: but he might well have great clubs (e.g. 7 solid) and want to bid clubs naturally|pg||
nt|athene: so it's not clear 2@C should be a cue|pg||
mb|4H|mb|d|nt|ady: surely west wont sit for 2@H?|pg||
nt|athene: south got a bit over-excited here, though|pg||
nt|roswolf: THAT IMO IS A GROSS OVERBID|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: 2@D says "i have a good hand with hearts", 2@H says "good for you, let's play 2@H"|pg||
pc|cK|nt|athene: if he really wants, he can go 3@H saying "i have a REALLY good heart raise" but that's about all|pg||
pc|cA|nt|joest: next door meckwell have powered themselves to 4@h north-south and east-west are mulling over a save|pg||
nt|joest: all pass and 4@h looks to go down |pg||
nt|roswolf: CLEARLY SOUTH HASNT REMEMBERED HOW WEAK HIS PARDS OVERCALLS CAN BE:)|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c8|pg||
nt|ady: looks like down 2    so 300 in each room for Cayne|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h4|nt|wygbe1: trump returns best|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h3|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg||
nt|swanson: Yes, but North will fear ducking any red suit card from dummy for fear of giving up the contract.|pg||
nt|athene: south has no top heart honour and not the @H10 or @H9, so he should take that as a warning - his partner might just be bidding on a very good suit but nothing else|pg||
nt|athene: if south had better hearts it would be a lot more reasonable to be aggressive|pg||
nt|athene: since if partner hasn't got a great suit he should have a decent hand|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cT|nt|ady: kib suggest down 1|pg||
nt|ady: maybe after no cover of J@D?|pg||
nt|roswolf: seriously why south bid as he did is perplexing - surely you know the propensity of pards overcalls at this level|pg||
nt|athene: down only one is not possible|pg||
nt|athene: the defence will just play ace and a spade now|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c4|pg||
nt|athene: versace has the @HA and lauria has the @H5 for the third round of diamonds|pg||
nt|Walddk4: www.confsudbridge.org   photos from Toronto, courtesy of Catarina Robles|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s6|nt|athene: so declarer isn't getting two spades way|pg||
nt|ady: yes   then 2 down|pg||
pc|sA|nt|athene: away|pg||
pc|s4|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg||
nt|athene: versace knows his partner has the @SA|pg||
nt|athene: what else can he have?|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|o7|st||md|1S85HAQJ6DK54CK743,SKJT92H4DA83CT862,SAQ64HT9832DQTCA5,S73HK75DJ9762CQJ9|sv|b|nt|brolucius: The bridge has been great so far - much better than yesterday's game at this time.|pg||
nt|ahollan1:  5  Schwartz in 3N NORTH  on @H lead more interesting than our table|pg||
mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16  for the 8 matches in progresses. However, no running scores. The website will be updated after each segment of 16 ...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: boards|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: *progress|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|pc|cA|nt|daman: this is a pianola hand     time for some lemonade|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c3|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|s2|pg||
pc|hA|pc|d3|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg||
nt|brolucius: At match-points, declarer would try for 12 tricks. Perhaps Seamon will do just that.|pg||
pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: why not -- no risk involved|pg||
nt|brolucius: Is 'lemonade' a secret code word for something else?|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg||
pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg||
mc|12|pg||
qx|c7|st||md|1S85HAQJ6DK54CK743,SKJT92H4DA83CT862,SAQ64HT9832DQTCA5,S73HK75DJ9762CQJ9|sv|b|nt|joest: new leaders|pg||
nt|joest: we have had a bunch of lead changes.  This match has been close throughout and remains so with 10 boards left|pg||
nt|athene: maybe south thought that the misunderstanding over 4NT meant he could take liberties - that's a rash assumption; EW don't give a whole lot away in the play or defence|pg||
mb|1C|mb|1S|nt|joest: anyone for Garbage Stayman here?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: should n bid 2c, planning to pass any response?|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson can bid 2@C puppet, and get to 2@D|pg||
nt|swanson: IT is very considerate of the players to be giving us such a close match.  Many of the realy round matches were surprising runaways.|pg||
mb|d|nt|joest: I would prefer to be playing 'regular Stayman' on this one|pg||
nt|kit: Of course, playing normal Stayman can and would have same auction|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|nt|athene: interesting that north chooses double rather than 2@H|pg||
nt|athene: normally you bid 2@H with five and a strong hand|pg||
nt|ady: nice lay for n/s   but still seems only 11 tricks in hearts   unless diamond lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: maybe they play negative free bids? (immediate 2@H would be non-forcing)|pg||
mb|4H|nt|swanson: early|pg||
nt|swanson: This is an auction where it is almost never a winning action to balance.  Don't even look at your hand.|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Cohler hates to sell to 2@D with a stiff diamond, but has no convenient way into the auction|pg||
nt|joest: and that's for the best!|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: 2NT in other room, will fare a lot worse.|pg||
nt|joest: the hesitation suggests perhaps short diamonds in east and starting diamonds from the dummy|pg||
nt|athene: i still haven't found the mysterious elusive NS convention card sorry|pg||
nt|roswolf: a pass missed out here|pg||
nt|roswolf: 4@H bid by north|pg||
nt|roswolf: not west|pg||
mb|p|pc|c6|nt|roswolf: ty|pg||
pc|cA|nt|kit: or just leading queen from hand|pg||
pc|c9|nt|athene: maybe only 11 tricks here|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|ady: should be an imp to Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: if he pulls three rounds of trumps|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h5|nt|kit: fortunately he need only 8 tricks, so has margin for error|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg||
nt|swanson: Declarer won't lead another round of trumps.  Time for a cross-ruff.|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pg||
nt|athene: actually i guess versace might get squeezed anyway|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|s2|pg||
nt|athene: spade pitch now, but then what on the @HA?|pg||
pc|hA|pc|d3|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg||
nt|athene: if he comes down to @DAx declarer just leads a diamond to the queen and ducks the next one|pg||
nt|ady: squeeze on west|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dT|nt|ady: now 12|pg||
mc|13|nt|athene: a defender who has to guard three suits might as well give up - you always get crushed|pg||
nt|roswolf: doesnt have to|pg||
nt|ady: was aqeezed in 3 suits|pg||
nt|athene: i think that was +2, not +3?|pg||
nt|ady: squeezed|pg||
nt|roswolf: methinks only 12 tricks|pg||
pg||
qx|o8|st||md|2SAK75HQ73DKJ7CT62,ST93HA8D32CAQ8743,SJ62HJT9642DQ64CJ,SQ84HK5DAT985CK95|sv|o|nt|daman: only in Canada|pg||
nt|ahollan1: another 2@C opener?|pg||
nt|brolucius: Do you drink it or sniff it?|pg||
nt|daman: ingest|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|brolucius: Plenty of practice for their 2@C openings.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this time 2@D bid in case opener has 4@C & 5+@S|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: 2N relay for distribution|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@D=no shortness|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Al, do you know all odd systems by heart?|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|cK|nt|daman: he is a walking encyclopedia|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: confession time --  i write this stuff down then build FD files  and during commentary - use the FD file|pg||
mc|10|nt|Walddk2: Excellent approach|pg||
nt|brolucius: What a professional! (Except that we don't get paid).|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i'm hoping to have that rate doubled this year|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Don't hold your breath|pg||
nt|brolucius: The only thing I write down is: 'Remember to put bottle into freezer at 19.20.'|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i look good in blue |pg||
nt|daman: must be potty break time|pg||
nt|brolucius: A witty kibitzer tells me: Don't they say that it pays to be a professional?|pg||
nt|daman: on board 6 in the CR    NS are in 4@H doubled|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Mrs    she must have a name of her own|pg||
nt|daman: looks like -300     combined with +300 in this room  12 IMPs to Cayne|pg||
pg||
qx|c8|st||md|2SAK75HQ73DKJ7CT62,ST93HA8D32CAQ8743,SJ62HJT9642DQ64CJ,SQ84HK5DAT985CK95|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|joest: 3@c = puppet stayman asking for a five card major|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|joest: now all Berk has to do is duck the jack of spades lead!|pg||
mb|p|nt|wygbe1: 3n rates to go down on spade lead, unless w makes amazing duck of first trick|pg||
nt|joest: btw ducking is nuts|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: cash the @CK first, i guess, as you can only pick up 4-0 with south|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg||
nt|joest: so this looks to be a push at -50|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s9|nt|joest: note the spade jack as suit preference |pg||
pc|s6|pc|s8|pg||
nt|swanson: This would not be a good time for 'coded' leads where jack is top.  Declarer would find the winning duck.|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sT|nt|joest: yes last set another hand came up which showed that convention in a poor light|pg||
nt|wygbe1: very true|pg||
nt|joest: one of many examples I'm afraid|pg||
nt|joest: so Berk has to hope the @HA is in the right hand|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|cK|nt|kit: or South having Kx of clubs -- much less likely|pg||
nt|joest: this is halfway through the final set so the players might be taking a breather|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: little break time for the players|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o9|st||md|3SK62HAK9DAJ742CK2,S94HQJDKQT863C985,SQT875H7653DCT764,SAJ3HT842D95CAQJ3|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1N|nt|Walddk2: www.confsudbridge.org   photos from Toronto, courtesy of Catarina Robles|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: we had a smoke break :)|pg||
mb|2D|nt|brolucius: Disgraceful!|pg||
nt|othered1: Another quite sound initial action by Seamon|pg||
mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 0+@D  often weak NT   i won't scare you with the other options|pg||
nt|brolucius: What a bad example to the younger kibitzers (if there are any...) |pg||
nt|ahollan1: depend upon what they were smoking ???|pg||
nt|brolucius: 39 counts as young, the way bridge is going nowadays.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: my favorite is to smoke    salmon|pg||
nt|brolucius: I gave up smoking when I was 14.|pg||
nt|friggi: pass|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i never started -- but positive i'll die from chronic lung disease because of bridge tournies in 70s/80s|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|brolucius: Take-out double from North. Good stuff.|pg||
nt|othered1: That was quite a double by north|pg||
nt|Walddk2: what is Cayne's double? Take-out yes, but a very weak hand|pg||
pc|hA|nt|brolucius: That will terrify North, who is slightly lacking in defense against a diamond contract.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He is not too happy when Seamon sits for it|pg||
nt|ahollan1: presumably takeout|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg||
nt|brolucius: North is not expecting to go plus after this auction. He may be proved right.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I would not double with a diamond void and two high card points. If I enter, it will be with 2@S|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg||
nt|brolucius: Yes. Very risky double.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that should be IFF  [computerese for IF and ONLY IF]|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pg||
nt|brolucius: South will spend the hand looking for North's double.|pg||
nt|brolucius: Cayne: 'That's the last time I try one of these new-fangled doubles!'|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|s4|nt|Walddk2: He was not compelled to bid|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
nt|ahollan1: toys are meant to be played with    i think that's what mom used to say|pg||
pc|h8|nt|Walddk2: Looks like an overtrick if van Prooijen times this|pg||
nt|brolucius: South was always going to pass, but the bidding did in fact suggest that the long diamonds were on his left. 1@D did not guarantee any diamonds.|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|h7|pg||
pc|dK|pc|s5|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|d6|nt|Walddk2: Give the man two diamond tricks|pg||
nt|Walddk2: and claim +1|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c9|st||md|3SK62HAK9DAJ742CK2,S94HQJDKQT863C985,SQT875H7653DCT764,SAJ3HT842D95CAQJ3|sv|e|nt|athene: chances of a diamond-diamond squeeze for the 11th trick are a bit remote :) time to claim|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: bye all   |pg||
mb|1C|mb|d|nt|joest: Meckwell opened 2@c Precision at the other table which permitted them to compete to 4@c|pg||
nt|joest: Berk has an amazingly good hand for all this bidding|pg||
nt|swanson: Berkowitz is asking everybody to check the backs of the cards at this point.|pg||
nt|joest: cards lie very favorably for east-west|pg||
nt|kit: Cohler is lighter than Berk will be playing him for -- by quite a bit.|pg||
nt|athene: a very offensively-oriented double in the other room backfired|pg||
mb|1D|nt|kit: Problem with that sort of overcall is always the third opponent|pg||
nt|swanson: 1@C opening looks fine to me, but I don't see any merit in a 1@D overcall.|pg||
nt|joest: of course if they roll 600 he'll forgive him|pg||
nt|athene: if you are going to double on hands like that it means partner can never ever pass them|pg||
mb|1S|nt|athene: this is a common misunderstanding|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: but four looks the limit|pg||
nt|athene: it's not enough to know a double is "takeout"|pg||
nt|roswolf: great result for schwartz in the other room|pg||
nt|athene: you have to know "HOW takeout-ish?"|pg||
nt|athene: in other words how often is partner allowed to pass it? is a decent 4-card trump holding enough?|pg||
mb|1N|mb|2D|nt|athene: 2@H from north now|pg||
nt|athene: and he has shown his hand quite nicely|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|roswolf: that is obscure|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2@S|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Welcome to Sigurbjörn|pg||
nt|bessi2: hi all|pg||
nt|athene: south will try 3@S now, i think|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: N pulled pass card then changes to 2s|pg||
nt|athene: hi good afternoon|pg||
nt|roswolf: THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS|pg||
mb|4S|nt|athene: south will try 3@S|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: has anyone ever cue bid with a hand as big as WEst's and NOT heard their partner sign off?|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: Why not 3@C with the South hand after partner rebids clubs?|pg||
nt|athene: ok, he will try 4@S :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: because that would be invitational|pg||
nt|roswolf: another double|pg||
nt|bessi2: 2@s should be non-forcing but perhaps ns haven't played together much|pg||
nt|roswolf: well only 50's|pg||
nt|athene: 2@S definitely sounds non-forcing to me|pg||
nt|athene: north had lots of ways to force, didn't he?|pg||
pc|cA|nt|joest: surely Berkowitz will hit him out|pg||
nt|joest: let him out|pg||
nt|bessi2: but.. his pd did freely bid 1@s and south has a very pretty hand|pg||
nt|athene: sure|pg||
pc|c2|nt|athene: even though he has shown his hand with 1NT, in a way|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c3|nt|kit: That third opponent will get you every time|pg||
nt|wygbe1: west having trouble envisioning red v white overcall that wont produce game|pg||
pc|cK|nt|joest: a pass would have been plus at both tables and a six imp gain|pg||
nt|athene: he still has a better hand for play in spades than he might have|pg||
pc|c8|nt|athene: that is why 3@S was perfectly justified|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
nt|athene: well, ok, 3@S was not ridiculous|pg||
nt|bessi2: I fell 3@s is about the value bid.. I think pass is too cautious|pg||
nt|athene: i think cayne should just have bid 2@S over 2@D, personally|pg||
nt|athene: if partner passes with 18 and 5 decent trumps and it makes +1....he has a right feel a bit miffed|pg||
nt|athene: of course Seamon never feels miffed :) but he has a right to there|pg||
nt|bessi2: agree.. that dbl was just asking for trouble|pg||
nt|bessi2: seems right to start @h's now|pg||
pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hK|nt|joest: once Cohler finds (needs) the spade ace onside he will certainly try to drop the @Hk offside|pg||
nt|joest: diamond to the king and a spade up is my best guess |pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|c7|pc|d5|pg||
pc|d2|nt|wygbe1: down 2 now, if s wins sp and leads d|pg||
pc|dT|pc|s5|pc|d9|pg||
nt|joest: north rates to be 4=2=1=6 so ace and a heart will let him out for d1|pg||
pc|cT|pc|cJ|nt|athene: time for the defensive crossruff to begin|pg||
pc|s2|pc|c9|pg||
pc|h9|pc|s4|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg||
pc|dK|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|d4|pg||
pc|s3|nt|bessi2: no layout from Scwartz perspective that allows this contract to make at this point|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o10|st||md|4SKT5H43DQ87C86543,S6HQ9865DKJ654CK7,SAQJ932HKT2DT2CAJ,S874HAJ7DA93CQT92|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D!|nt|brolucius: 2@S was a much sounder option, as Roland said. The price has now been paid.|pg||
mb|2S|mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: 2@D=10-15 HCP, 5+@H & 4+@D|pg||
nt|pfbr: hi Roland@h|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|brolucius: South might have assigned 3@S to 'competitive' and a double as the game-try in spades.|pg||
pc|s4|nt|brolucius: Tempting to bid 3@S on his hand.|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|d5|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|h8|pc|s3|pg||
nt|brolucius: Nice trump attack from East, who had no reason to expect a ruffing value in the dummy.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i even have beard that looks like al's|pg||
pc|c3|nt|Walddk2: Hi Anita :)|pg||
pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|h7|pc|c4|pc|h9|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|s9|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|d9|pc|c6|pc|d4|pg||
nt|daman: on Board 9   NS in 4@S in CR|pg||
pc|sA|pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|d6|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cT|nt|brolucius: I wonder what North's 'cunning plan' is.|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c10|st||md|4SKT5H43DQ87C86543,S6HQ9865DKJ654CK7,SAQJ932HKT2DT2CAJ,S874HAJ7DA93CQT92|sv|b|nt|athene: would have been 11 imps if NS had stopped in 3|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|athene: 4@H for EW|pg||
mb|1S|nt|athene: hard to get there, though, with only an 8-card fit, and combined 20 count|pg||
mb|2N|nt|vugraphzfg: shows 3 hearts|pg||
mb|3S|nt|joest: does double here show both majors or no majors?|pg||
nt|bessi2: Kranyak is doing a lot of bidding at the moment|pg||
nt|athene: now lauria might look more kindly on his @Sxxx|pg||
mb|4H|nt|athene: that was a fairly horrible holding initially, but if the opponents have a nine-card fit, and you think partner can handle the force...|pg||
nt|athene: wow|pg||
nt|roswolf: rehi computer crashed:(|pg||
nt|athene: as mentioned before, versace doesn't miss a whole lot of games|pg||
mb|4S|nt|bessi2: scwartz will surely bid 4s|pg||
mb|d|nt|bessi2: dbl and an easy trump lead|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: great board a match result for n-s|pg||
nt|athene: trump lead is sort of auto here|pg||
mb|p|nt|wygbe1: i would think dbl by w would show both majors - maybe he bid 2h for the lead, expecting to be outbid|pg||
pc|s4|nt|athene: i remember in bridge magazine bidding panels, when Tony Forrester thought it was obvious to double, he would just put "i lead a trump" as his proposed bid :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: North's eyes sort of rolled from side to side at dummy|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s6|nt|bessi2: I don't like to say it.. but I feel south got what he deserved with that 3@s bid|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|nt|joest: or if he played it there he wanted to play in the stronger trump suit|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c7|pg||
nt|athene: i'm told NS are a fairly new partnership|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|athene: and on board 6, 9 and 10 here we see the same thing|pg||
nt|athene: both players getting aggressive on the same hand|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|cK|pg||
nt|athene: and ending overboard|pg||
nt|athene: it suggests each is used to playing with a "sounder" partner|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|hA|nt|swanson: Could one double with 4-2-2-5, planning to pull 2@H to 3@C?|pg||
nt|swanson: to 2@S I mean|pg||
nt|joest: i suppose.  When I do that it goes 3@d on my left and partner bids 3@h :)|pg||
nt|swanson: Then you have to bid 3@S.  Just have a few values for the double.|pg||
nt|swanson: It is never far wrong just to bid one's suit, however.|pg||
nt|joest: yes|pg||
nt|joest: when I 'expand' on a convention, bad things usually happen|pg||
nt|joest: and my partner's first words: "what was double"? |pg||
nt|swanson: I've heard that a few times.|pg||
nt|roswolf: yes their styles dont seem to mesh|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|h5|nt|bessi2: I don't think north's 4@s was aggressive at all..|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
nt|roswolf: this will be very expensive|pg||
pc|c5|pc|d5|pc|s3|nt|swanson: Declarer is expecting to be off one with another club loser, but there is good news on the horizon.|pg||
pc|c9|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg||
nt|bessi2: looked pretty normal.. although it was clear that something was amiss,  looked like at leas 50hcp in the deck.. but he should rather trust his pd instead of  his aggressive opps|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sK|nt|athene: often the best partnerships have one very solid bidder and one more creative|pg||
nt|roswolf: creative =crazy!?|pg||
mc|7|nt|vugraphzfg: players have left for a short break|pg||
nt|athene: of course if EW were getting to game anyway, NS were losing a lot of imps|pg||
nt|bessi2: that was not for sure if south passes|pg||
nt|athene: yes|pg||
nt|roswolf: i did|pg||
nt|roswolf: the Great Man not sane - oh my:)|pg||
nt|roswolf: sorry private|pg||
nt|roswolf: the pace of play is slow are there time penalties in this competition?|pg||
nt|bessi2: but what a 4@h bid by Versace with a passed pd... I think he was mostly hoping north would bid 4@s, with an outside chance that 4@h was making.. very rarely will 4@h be doubled|pg||
nt|roswolf: the open room is on bd 14|pg||
nt|athene: west has a reasonable hand with a good fit, but much better if partner has four trumps|pg||
nt|athene: certainly 4@H not obvious|pg||
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qx|o11|st||md|1SQHAJDKJ973CAKJ92,SA852H98DAT85C654,SJT9743HKT7DQ2CQ7,SK6HQ65432D64CT83|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|daman: Cayne should bid 3NT |pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|daman: hhrrrmmmm|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: :)|pg||
nt|brolucius: 3NT by North looked good to me.|pg||
nt|daman: me too|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s3|nt|brolucius: The commentators usually know best, I have found...|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|brolucius: 3@D is better than 3@S, it is true.|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|d3|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sT|pc|h2|pc|d7|pc|sA|pg||
pc|dA|nt|othered1: Those queens upvalue opposite a strong jump shift, so I like 2@D.|pg||
mc|9|nt|othered1: 3@D, rather|pg||
nt|brolucius: Verhees did not want to go to bed with an ace.|pg||
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qx|c11|st||md|1SQHAJDKJ973CAKJ92,SA852H98DAT85C654,SJT9743HKT7DQ2CQ7,SK6HQ65432D64CT83|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|athene: ok looks as though NS play some sort of two-way club|pg||
nt|roswolf: all roads lead to 3nt|pg||
mb|2S|nt|swanson: It might be tempting for East to make an agressive game try here.  Won't work out well.|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: it is an interesting sign of the times that partners open all 11 counts but responders keep right on making game tries with hands like east's. Everybody likes to bid :)|pg||
nt|athene: 1@C = min bal or any strong i guess|pg||
mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: if Boyd leads a club this will be over before Cohler gets started|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: South does need to lead a club, however.|pg||
pc|h9|nt|athene: cash the @HAJ and knock out the @DA for at least ten tricks i suppose|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|d3|nt|joest: is this the right major suit 7 that Cohler led?|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dA|nt|wygbe1: might find club shift now|pg||
pc|d2|nt|swanson: A bit of a ping-pong match here.|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: its called table tennis not ping pong btw|pg||
pc|d6|pg||
nt|swanson: Seems like the only possibility for three more tricks.|pg||
nt|joest: Spector will be winning 1 or losing 4|pg||
nt|swanson: Depends on whether a small white ball is involved, maybe.|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o12|st||md|2SAJ5HQT8DQ86CJ854,SQT862HJ6D75CT763,S9HA942DAKJ42CAK9,SK743HK753DT93CQ2|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 3NT is easy when @CQ is doubleton|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|brolucius: 2@H is now OK, even though South has denied four hearts. North shows what he holds.|pg||
mb|d|mb|3C|nt|brolucius: Sometimes you hear the nonsense: 'I must be showing 5-6, because you denied four hearts.'|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: A spectator suggests 6@D. That is a contract even I would not like to be in|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|nt|daman: then it must be hopeless|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg||
pc|d8|pc|h6|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|h3|nt|daman: convenient @C position|pg||
pc|h8|pc|s8|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg||
pc|d4|pc|s7|pc|hT|pc|s2|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|c9|mc|11|pg||
qx|c12|st||md|2SAJ5HQT8DQ86CJ854,SQT862HJ6D75CT763,S9HA942DAKJ42CAK9,SK743HK753DT93CQ2|sv|n|nt|wygbe1: they found it on the third opportunity|pg||
nt|joest: i would say +600 is a fine result here|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|bessi2: 6@d makes.. but not a slam you want to be in|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|kit: Here puppet will conceal North's 4-card heart holding|pg||
nt|joest: I'msure Rodwell played it well but it seems he might have received a helping hand|pg||
nt|kit: So likely to get heart lead|pg||
mb|2S|nt|swanson: East will know declarer has four hearts and South four spade by the time this is over and will avoid a major suit lead.|pg||
nt|kit: yes Jack, a mis-discard at the end|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: 2@S showing values i guess, suggesting to partner that notrumps will be wrong if he has a singleton club|pg||
mb|3N|nt|kit: no, North's heart holding concealed|pg||
nt|joest: well this will be ahuge pick up just when Spector needed it|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bessi2: I don't like that 3N bid very much.. why not 3@c|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sK|nt|joest: Robinson's heart suit concealed off this puppet auction|pg||
nt|joest: Berk will discourage|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
nt|kit: Means declarer will get the heart suit right eventually, but still only 8 tricks unless a misdefense|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d7|nt|joest: looks like upside down discouragement|pg||
nt|swanson: Wouldn't the 7 (instead of the 6) be a bit easier for East to read?|pg||
nt|joest: agreed|pg||
nt|kit: a lot easier John -- I don't think the 6 is readable|pg||
nt|kit: Note that Robinson played the 4, giving his own encouraging signal|pg||
nt|joest: on the general theory that declarer must adopt the defender's signalling methods|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
nt|kit: If Cohler does continue hearts, I think Robinson will have very good chances|pg||
nt|joest: the demonstrably correct theory|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg||
pc|d6|pc|s6|pc|dJ|nt|kit: Just what will Berk discard on 4 rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|swanson: A good thing to remember is that, as declarer, you want to use the same signals the opponents use: low if you want LHO to continue, high to discourage.|pg||
pc|dT|pg||
pc|dK|pc|s4|nt|kit: Unfortunately Robinson chose to attack diamonds first -- now defense will be a lot easier|pg||
pc|c4|pc|s8|pg||
pc|d4|pc|h5|pc|s5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|nt|kit: Now a diamond back, and no more pressure on West|pg||
nt|athene: the fourth club was a valuable threat against west but of course declarer did not know that|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c6|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cQ|nt|joest: yes a strip squeeze looms absent that|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c7|pg||
pc|c9|pc|s3|pc|cJ|nt|joest: Berk needs to blank the diamond|pg||
nt|wygbe1: yep has a chance now|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|kit: Now West can be end-played -- if he reads it|pg||
pc|h6|mc|10|pg||
qx|o13|st||md|3SKJ2HJT982DA964C4,SQ9874H543D5CJ653,SA6HA6DJT7CAKT872,ST53HKQ7DKQ832CQ9|sv|b|nt|brolucius: With regard to 'going to bed with an ace', a Dutch kibitzer tells me this gem: in Holland we say that he doesn't want his ace being washed ashore at Scheveningen  (Dutch seaside ...|pg||
nt|brolucius: resort)|pg||
nt|daman: this is now the penultimate board of the first session|pg||
nt|daman: sorry     16 |pg||
nt|daman: thot 14|pg||
nt|daman: we have a way to go yet|pg||
nt|brolucius: It is the penpenpenultimate board.|pg||
mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Some would consider a 1NT opening with Cayne's hand. I think it's too good for that|pg||
nt|daman: I might have opened the North hand 1NT|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|othered1: I agree with too good.|pg||
nt|daman: now he isw forced to downgrade|pg||
mb|p|nt|othered1: But north's downgrade is to a solid opening, not today's popular total junk.|pg||
pc|dK|nt|daman: if he opened 1NT    they would be in 3NT on a @D lead|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d7|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c6|nt|Walddk2: I think they can lead anything against 3NT and still not beat it|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c9|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cQ|nt|brolucius: Clubs play for one loser if you take them from the top.|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c3|pg||
pc|c7|pc|d2|pc|h8|nt|brolucius: 3NT not so bad.|pg||
pc|cJ|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h9|pg||
pc|cT|pc|s5|pc|hT|pc|c5|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|brolucius: And why not, with 25 points and a great club suit. Opponent's suit well stopped.|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|s7|pg||
pc|c8|pc|d8|pc|hJ|nt|daman: well    there were those who agreed with 1 @C  and then 2@Cs|pg||
pc|s4|pg||
pc|c2|pc|s3|pc|d6|nt|brolucius: Not in Chandlers Ford.|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg||
pc|s6|nt|Walddk2: If it's too good for 1NT, perhaps it's good enough for 3@C|pg||
nt|othered1: This is just another hand arguing the advantages of a big @C system, and north's hand would be good enough for 1 Strong @C, almost regardless of their point count standards.|pg||
nt|daman: I guarantee that today's aggressive players wouldopen 1NT and would get paid off for doing so|pg||
nt|brolucius: Yes, 3@C was as good as 2@C.|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c13|st||md|3SKJ2HJT982DA964C4,SQ9874H543D5CJ653,SA6HA6DJT7CAKT872,ST53HKQ7DKQ832CQ9|sv|b|nt|kit: what really happened at the end?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: huh?|pg||
nt|joest: what?|pg||
nt|joest: operator did Robinson endplay Berkowitz?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: west must have stiffed the diamond|pg||
nt|athene: 2@C a bit of an underbid here|pg||
mb|1C|nt|athene: 3@C would get them to 3nt|pg||
mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|joest: whatever happened, that was a big chance that got away|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: indeed.. 2@c would not be an option for me.. 2N or 3@c both look ok to me|pg||
nt|athene: it's interesting how you should play these clubs|pg||
mb|3C|nt|athene: bash from the top gains against QJ, Q9  or J9 falling|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: but finesse the 10 first is possible|pg||
nt|bessi2: depends on where you win the first trick perhaps.. if a small @d lead to the 7 then you don't really want to cross to dummy for that play|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: if you have the @C9|pg||
pc|s9|nt|bessi2: hmmm.. a mute point since clearly 3N will be played from the south side :)|pg||
nt|roswolf: well this looks gin on that lead|pg||
nt|athene: if you have the @C9 then you bash them from the top|pg||
nt|athene: gaining against 3-3 or Qx or Jx|pg||
nt|athene: or singleton honour if you have the 8 as well|pg||
nt|roswolf: on this lead you can set up the hearts|pg||
nt|roswolf: a good swing likely for schwartz|pg||
nt|athene: an interesting hand - my guess is he will just bash out three rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|athene: a spec suggests he might go for 3 diamonds and 3 spades|pg||
nt|athene: but the diamonds are a bit blocked|pg||
nt|athene: sure he can lose one and then finesse against the honour-8|pg||
nt|athene: but he is short of entries to hand|pg||
nt|bessi2: indeed.. it the 6 and 7 of @d were reversed that would work|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sT|nt|joest: the third and final no trump|pg||
pc|sJ|pg||
nt|roswolf: 3@H +3@s+2@C+1@D IF YOU PLAY ON HEARTS FIRST|pg||
pc|c4|nt|joest: i'm getting a lot of questions about what happened at the end onthelast hand.  Operator can you clear it up by any chance?|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg||
nt|bessi2: Kranyak had thought for some time.. certainly about the club play we have been discussing|pg||
nt|roswolf: going for the clubs|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|h2|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cT|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|h5|nt|joest: Sorry folks.  I haven't been successful in finding out what happened|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h7|mc|10|pg||
qx|o14|st||md|4ST932HJ64DQT9CT54,S75H95DAK5CK98763,SAKQ84HKT2D8762CJ,SJ6HAQ873DJ43CAQ2|sv|o|nt|brolucius: I don't remember any deals in this set where the style of playing all your bids as 'very sound' has paid off.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Schwartz-Kranyak were caught speeding on board 10|pg||
nt|Walddk2: and went for 800 in 4@SX|pg||
nt|brolucius: What was the fine?|pg||
nt|daman: right David|pg||
nt|brolucius: Ah, 800.|pg||
nt|brolucius: I used to be amazed at the way that Al Roth bid, but he was incredibly successful, somehow.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: break for east atm|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Specs complaining about players' weak bladders|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: We are back|pg||
nt|brolucius: The organisers of these big tournaments should provide nicotine patches free of charge. Absurd to keep 1244 people waiting while you have a drag.|pg||
mb|1H|nt|daman: 5@C can be made if they reach it|pg||
nt|Walddk2: An 80-year old woman tells me that she can play 26 boards without a convenience break|pg||
nt|othered1: Cayne's standards are nowhere near as rigorous as Roth's.   Really, about 4 decades ago they were relatively standard on t he East Coast.|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|nt|brolucius: Ah, you found someone who likes listening to your stories. Good.|pg||
nt|daman: so long as Cayne is consistent    Michael can figure out what to do|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|brolucius: 5@C looks OK, as the cards lie.|pg||
nt|brolucius: Tricky for East now, with that unannounced club support. Will he be happy to pass?|pg||
nt|othered1: Assuming west's double just shows a solid maximum for previous actions, would you pass as east?|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: I would never pass at IMPs|pg||
nt|brolucius: He is facing 'very sound bidders', of course.|pg||
pc|s3|nt|daman: accurate defense could get 3@S X for 300|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg||
nt|daman: this will conveniently make    nice stab|pg||
nt|brolucius: 4@H may look strange but East had shown only four hearts with his opening bid.|pg||
nt|othered1: ON this hand 3@S bid provided EW with a "fielder's choice."  Was that  unexpected?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and he would have shown a canape [longer 2nd suit] over 3@C|pg||
nt|Walddk2: In the women's final, Hampton (with Sabine Auken among others) are 25 up against Westheimer after 11 boards|pg||
nt|brolucius: Even though 3@C presumably showed a long suit?|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c2|nt|daman: As Barry Crane always said...."be careful of the 3 level, they may double you"|pg||
pc|c4|pc|cK|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h9|nt|brolucius: That applies to a few of the other levels, too.|pg||
pc|hT|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|s7|pc|hK|pg||
mc|10|nt|ahollan1: i wonder if vP thought 4@H carried the message of Balanced 5+@H    maybe 4@C would have meant 4@H weak NT???|pg||
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qx|c14|st||md|4ST932HJ64DQT9CT54,S75H95DAK5CK98763,SAKQ84HKT2D8762CJ,SJ6HAQ873DJ43CAQ2|sv|o|nt|roswolf: a good gain|pg||
nt|bessi2: Schwartz superior judgment with that 3@c bid earned his side 10 imps|pg||
mb|1H|nt|bessi2: or at least his judgment was superior result wise|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|nt|athene: hmmm, 5@C might be preferable to 4@H here|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|joest: it would be nice if 3@c were forcing opposite a passed hand but i don't think it is|pg||
nt|joest: that leaves the 'agricultural' 3NT call i guess|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: on board 60 it was a correct claim of 3nt making|pg||
nt|athene: 4@H needs hearts 3-3 onside|pg||
nt|athene: 5@C might make even on 4-2 hearts, as long as the king is right|pg||
nt|roswolf: i like 5@C|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: we believe you operator.  WE just don't know how|pg||
nt|wygbe1: 3n by east down on h lead, but 3n by west should make|pg||
nt|joest: b/c hearts block|pg||
nt|kit: big chance for swing here -- 5@C cold, as is 3NT by West|pg||
nt|joest: maybe 3@c should be forcing |pg||
nt|joest: this hand would talk me into it|pg||
nt|wygbe1: they could try 6c, down |pg||
nt|athene: even on a bad break you have extra chances, like @DQx or a red squeeze|pg||
mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: that is also possible|pg||
nt|roswolf: HMMM another lapse by the normally impeccable italians|pg||
mb|3S|nt|kit: wrong-sided now|pg||
nt|wygbe1: uh oh, wrongsided nt|pg||
nt|kit: And I would expect Boyd to choose his stronger suit to lead|pg||
nt|joest: of course 3@c now is forcing but it suggests spade shortness.  Berkowitz with an impossible bidding problem in standard (imho)|pg||
nt|kit: unless 2@H was real|pg||
nt|swanson: Tough for South to find a heart lead, expecting four hearts at his left.|pg||
nt|athene: yuck to 3@S in both rooms|pg||
nt|roswolf: south may kick himself|pg||
mb|d|nt|athene: 4333 hands are unspeakably evil|pg||
mb|p|mb|4C|nt|athene: the best u will attain with 3@S is to go -100 in 3@S two off vs -130 defending clubs|pg||
nt|athene: to gain 1 imp|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: berkowitz hopes his 2@h call at least served to ward off a heart lead|pg||
nt|joest: and it did|pg||
nt|kit: LC says natural, so will lead spade|pg||
nt|kit: and match is very close again with 2 more boards -- and 63 won't be dull|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: the worst - well let's not think about it|pg||
nt|roswolf: south has had too much red meat|pg||
nt|bessi2: not sure I would call it a lapse.. VERY difficult to bid|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|roswolf: survived here|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sA|nt|swanson: This hand is a demostration of how difficult it is to 'settle' for minor suit games when 3NT is a possibility.|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|joest: it's easier at imps b/c you don't get punished for being in five of a minor instead of 3NT if they bothmake|pg||
nt|joest: in a bidding contest, 5@c is the top spot here|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s7|pg||
pc|sK|pc|c2|pc|s3|pc|d5|pg||
nt|bessi2: the bidding progressed in the same manner in the open room until that 4@c bid where proojinen bid 4@h, probably because their 1@h opening is often only 4 cards I beliee|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c6|nt|roswolf: hmm north cant believe south has 4 card support and passed over 2@S|pg||
mc|11|nt|athene: well east could see the 5-2 fit might be ok if his pd has two spades and a doubleton heart honour|pg||
nt|athene: if they play std count south has to have four? wouldn't raise on two would he|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2 BDS LEFT AND SCHEDULED RESTART IS IN 15 MINS|pg||
nt|roswolf: any problem bruce?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: Kranyak left table gone for more red meat:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
pg||
qx|o15|st||md|1SQJT943HQJ9DQ5C98,S86HK843DKT983CA7,SA752HAT7DA76CJT4,SKH652DJ42CKQ6532|sv|n|nt|daman: NOW we have the penultimate board of this first session|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but it worked|pg||
nt|othered1: maybe pass would have shown the weak NT?|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|daman: possibly|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: This is not good enough for a weak two vulnerable in the JEC system|pg||
nt|brolucius: Anyway, a very lucky board for E/W.|pg||
mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S|mb|3C|mb|3S|nt|daman: opening 2@S was on my radar    anybody else?|pg||
nt|brolucius: Of course.|pg||
nt|othered1: Not mine (I like better suits at this vul)|pg||
nt|brolucius: Unless you play 9-10.|pg||
nt|daman: you and Al Roth|pg||
mb|4C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: If you are waiting for AKJ10xx, you may have to wait forever, Ed|pg||
mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: maybe with @DJ instead of @HJ - at least then you have a pinochle|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sK|pg||
nt|brolucius: Same with players who use the Rule of 500 for vulnerable three-bids. Still waiting...|pg||
pc|s2|pc|c2|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg||
nt|othered1: I wouldn't need the 10 :)|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d3|nt|daman: no choice but to duck|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or being serious     i think 3@C/@D instead of 3@H makes 2@S more universal|pg||
pc|d6|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg||
nt|brolucius: 98% would open 2@S over here.|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|dQ|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|d2|pc|s4|nt|daman: minimum|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dA|pg||
nt|daman: no|pg||
nt|brolucius: No point writing down 6-10 if you don't open on that hand.|pg||
nt|daman: did he reaally win that?|pg||
mc|8|nt|daman: hrrrmmmm|pg||
pg||
qx|c15|st||md|1SQJT943HQJ9DQ5C98,S86HK843DKT983CA7,SA752HAT7DA76CJT4,SKH652DJ42CKQ6532|sv|n|nt|joest: a 'fantastic finish' as they used to say|pg||
nt|roswolf: lol|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|joest: Meckwell have arrived in 6@h on these cards at the other table|pg||
nt|roswolf: very competitive in the other room|pg||
nt|athene: 4@S is not such a bad contract for NS, is it?|pg||
nt|athene: especially vulnerable|pg||
nt|bessi2: it is decent... 2 finesses, not to mention the very live possibility of a @d lead from the K|pg||
mb|2N|mb|p|nt|athene: yes, diamond lead from the king is quite possible|pg||
mb|3S|nt|kit: good 6@H contract here, reached in other room|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Danger is getting too high -- they will certainly be in the slam|pg||
nt|wygbe1: seems they should reach it after this start|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: a good hand for 'serious 3NT"|pg||
nt|roswolf: well depending on the style of vul weak 2's i think 4@S is automatic here|pg||
nt|bessi2: I would just bid 4@s directly with the north hand.. |pg||
nt|roswolf: so would i|pg||
pc|cA|nt|kit: Of course, 7@H can make -- and maybe it would out of desparation|pg||
nt|joest: playing that Boyd must cue bid a diamond control no matter how bad his hand|pg||
nt|wygbe1: if n bids blackwood, will find out no diam king|pg||
nt|kit: 4@D is not a diamond control -- it is a last train sort of bid|pg||
pc|cT|nt|swanson: An improbable spade lead would make 6@H difficult for declarer.|pg||
nt|athene: this won't work out well|pg||
nt|athene: now the @SK gets exposed|pg||
pc|c2|nt|athene: when versace can't overruff|pg||
nt|bessi2: lol.. versace will drop his pd's K of @s|pg||
pc|c8|pg||
nt|kit: 4@S is RKC|pg||
nt|joest: ic|pg||
pc|c7|nt|joest: not showing the void|pg||
pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c9|pg||
nt|athene: of course declarer might just throw his diamond loser on the third club|pg||
nt|athene: and play for both kings onside|pg||
pc|d2|nt|roswolf: if clubs continued declarer might well divine the trump position|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dK|nt|athene: but the failure to play the third club is itself suspicious|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|wygbe1: well done|pg||
nt|joest: a trump start seems best|pg||
nt|wygbe1: diam lead will probly speed up the play|pg||
nt|roswolf: indeed|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|kit: best lead -- now declarer has problems|pg||
nt|kit: far from clear how this hand should be played|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson has to make it now to keep the lead|pg||
nt|swanson: Declarer counts 5 hearts, 1 spade, 2 clubs, 2 diamonds - needs another two tricks.|pg||
pc|cK|nt|athene: of course, west can also NOT overruff the third club with @SKxx, as a nice grosvenor|pg||
pc|s9|nt|bessi2: now he can play the club throw the diamond and be sure |pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|roswolf: now obvious:)|pg||
nt|athene: now if declarer hooks hearts first|pg||
nt|athene: he might decide that west would have bid with all he has AND the @SK|pg||
nt|athene: like a 2nt overcall|pg||
nt|roswolf: good point|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg||
nt|swanson: Maybe ruff a club and lead a low diamond?|pg||
nt|athene: oh well, it's all a bit irrelevant in 3|pg||
pc|s2|nt|bessi2: still worth 2 imps for Schwartz|pg||
nt|roswolf: yup|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o16|st||md|2SKJ72H8DT43CJ9864,SATHJ964DA87CKT72,S6543HAT53DKJ2CQ3,SQ98HKQ72DQ965CA5|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfd: they play so fast...|pg||
mb|1D|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: no worries mate|pg||
nt|Walddk2: You are doing fine|pg||
nt|othered1: And we are way ahead of the closed room . . .|pg||
nt|ahollan1: another 0+@D   usually weak NT|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Thank you|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: 2@C RELAY  artificial game force   [1@H would tend to be LESS than GF]|pg||
nt|brolucius: The Sunday Times recently rated being a BBO VG operator as the 7th most difficult job in the world.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@D  a couple of possibilities|pg||
nt|swanson: What did BBo commentator rank?|pg||
nt|daman: this is now the last board of this session   first of all we would like to thank our wonderful operator   Aysa    bravo    secondly we thank the ACBL for permitting us to bring ...|pg||
nt|daman: this event to you    we also thank Jan Martel for organizing this Vugraph|pg||
nt|brolucius: They only gave the top 500.|pg||
nt|othered1: Isn't 2@D mostly a balanced hand?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: it is weak NT, not 4333  OR   @D & @C|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|daman: thanks you to Roland Wald for coordinating the vugraph |pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@H asks  & 2N = weak NT, not 4333|pg||
nt|daman: and thanks to David, Ed, Roland and Al for their keen insights into the handds|pg||
nt|Walddk2: BBO commentator the easiest job of them all. We are great players when we can see all 52 cards|pg||
mb|3C|nt|brolucius: Many thanks, Asya! Also, our thanks to BBO for allowing us to watch this great tournament free of charge. Excellent!|pg||
nt|daman: and thanks, of course to all of the specs for their comments and suggestions|pg||
mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|daman: here is the vugraph sked   http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 3@C another relay    3@H=4@H  and another 4|pg||
nt|daman: next session begins in 32 minutes|pg||
nt|brolucius: Playing a relay system saves you the trouble of using Stayman.|pg||
nt|othered1: The other room is on board 13, so that start may be touch and go|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: but 3@C WAS effectively stayman :)|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: sorry im trying to fix board 11|pg||
nt|brolucius: Only you would know.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Did he make an overtrick, Asya?|pg||
nt|daman: I had a friend tell me yesterday that the BBO vugraph was such wonderful entertainment she would gladly pay to watch|pg||
nt|othered1: Here east managed to become declarer.  When the responder  to the relays is declarer, the opposition often has a defense-enhancing amount of information.|pg||
nt|brolucius: Traitor!|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: yes he made an over tricvk|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i take mastercard & visa -- no checks|pg||
nt|daman: lol|pg||
nt|Walddk2: OK, let me give you the code|pg||
nt|daman: all monies go through Roland|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 3NS+1|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: thanks you|pg||
nt|brolucius: Not while they still allow 1NT contracts. Who would pay to watch those?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: click on MOVIE and overwrite along board 11|pg||
nt|Walddk2: done, ty|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: okay fixed it :)|pg||
nt|daman: in Canada   we do not have checks    we have cheques|pg||
nt|brolucius: They could charge $5 to watch any session where no commentator made a really stupid comment. That would be acceptable.|pg||
nt|daman: and if there was a stupid comment they could have a refund|pg||
nt|daman: less Roland's commission|pg||
nt|brolucius: Everyone would watch the table where I was commenting.|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg||
pc|c9|nt|ahollan1: i don't recall if anyone mentioned    start of 2nd Quarter scheduled to begin in about 25 minutes|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg||
pc|c7|pc|s5|nt|daman: we did mention it   and gave the url for the schedule    here it is again    http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c6|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|h4|pc|s6|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg||
nt|daman: that was a good @S 9|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg||
pc|d9|pc|c8|pc|hJ|nt|daman: see everyone in a bit|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Thanks everyone, bye for now|pg||
mc|10|nt|ahollan1: scores get posted to http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16|pg||
nt|brolucius: Thanks for watching!|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: thanks for watching short break|pg||
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qx|c16|st||md|2SKJ72H8DT43CJ9864,SATHJ964DA87CKT72,S6543HAT53DKJ2CQ3,SQ98HKQ72DQ965CA5|sv|e|nt|roswolf: We are now on the last board of the set. Thanks to our operator, Bruce Gowdy. Great Job! Our appreciation to the organisers, the ACBL (Jan Martel) for ensuring that this fine event ...|pg||
nt|roswolf: is brought to BBO vugraph. Thanks too to my very learned fellow commentators William, David and Sigurdbjorn for their company and perceptive comments. Also to our specs whose ...|pg||
nt|roswolf: contributions keep us on our toes.|pg||
mb|1C|nt|joest: and that looks to be it|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: a great hand to end a great match on|pg||
nt|athene: sorry as a spec points out, even with the @SK west would not have a 2nt overcall but he might have a double|pg||
mb|1D|nt|roswolf: scheduled restart in 10 mins from now|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|athene: when the @H8 falls first round declarer has a guess which way to play for 4-1 trumps - he can pick either up|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: even rolling this would not be good enough so congratulations to the Spector team|pg||
nt|joest: and thanks to all the players for a great match|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|nt|joest: thanks operator|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: good result for Schwartz in the open room.. 4@h seems like a very fragile contract|pg||
nt|athene: that is why the 8 is an obligatory falsecard from 108xx|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: not sure what the difference is between this and a simple 4@H from east over 1@H|pg||
nt|athene: i guess 2@C asks if versace has a good hand, 2@D says "no" so lauria settles for game|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg||
nt|athene: lauria has played with versace for 20 years and versace has never had extras, but lauria is hopeful there will be a first time|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hK|nt|joest: thanks also to Kit, John and Jim|pg||
pc|h8|pg||
pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg||
nt|bessi2: kranyak will surely play a spade now|pg||
pc|c4|nt|roswolf: commentator's curse|pg||
nt|athene: another obligatory falsecard to give a guess:- south drops the 8 from @HA108x there when declarer leads to the king|pg||
nt|bessi2: hmm... don't see why he wanted to open up either minor|pg||
nt|bessi2: why he would want to that is|pg||
pc|c7|nt|bessi2: A spec suggests that Kranyak may have interpreted his pd's 3 of @s as suit preferance|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
nt|bessi2: preference|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|d7|pc|s4|pg||
pc|h2|nt|athene: versace fiddling around trying to find out which way trumps can be 4-1|pg||
nt|bessi2: declarer is on track and will make this|pg||
nt|athene: okie, he got it right|pg||
pc|s7|pc|hJ|nt|swanson: Yes, congratulations to the Spector team and condolences to the Washington team.  They played outstanding bridge for five days and were unlucky at the very end.|pg||
nt|bessi2: but why then not a higher club the 9 for instance, as many kibs suggest, I cannot say|pg||
nt|athene: this is tough |pg||
pc|h5|pg||
nt|athene: the normal play when you have Axxx trumps in defence is to hold up the ace at least once, usually twice|pg||
nt|bessi2: good duck by Schwartz|pg||
nt|bessi2: another heart play now is no good it seems|pg||
nt|bessi2: he must start diamonds now|pg||
nt|athene: now if versace plays another trump, Schwartz can play @HA, spade and versace can't get to dummy to draw the last trump|pg||
nt|bessi2: I think... I get headaches trying to analyse these sort of hands|pg||
nt|athene: ace and a diamond is a better shot for declarer but it still does not work; north just goes @DK, @HA, spade and again you can't get to dummy to draw the @H10|pg||
nt|bessi2: GIB says -1.. there we have it|pg||
nt|bessi2: :)|pg||
nt|athene: versace thinking about ways to endplay north to lead away from the @DK if he gets a ruff|pg||
nt|athene: but it's all down one from here|pg||
nt|bessi2: if ace and another @d then Schartz can win cash ace of @h and play a spade I suppose|pg||
nt|ferlema: apurate porque estan haciendo los de lo seniors|pg||
nt|athene: let's see how it made in the other room|pg||
pc|h6|nt|wygbe1: thx and gn all|pg||
nt|swanson: Thanks BBO.|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h7|nt|athene: interesting play from west in the other room, just not touching trumps for a long time|pg||
pc|c8|pg||
nt|athene: that worked out really well when he was able to cash many tricks without suffering a ruff|pg||
nt|bessi2: wait.. if now a spade.. then ruff home.. cash k of clubs and ace and another D right ?|pg||
nt|bessi2: just another trump ofc|pg||
nt|athene: ah, you can endplay north?|pg||
nt|athene: yes, but the trump now works|pg||
nt|Walddk4: One trick short on a trump return|pg||
nt|athene: north just sits there with @DK and a cashing spade, basically|pg||
nt|athene: of course south has to keep his clubs|pg||
nt|bessi2: Schwartz will work this out I believe|pg||
nt|reisig: 100%|pg||
nt|bessi2: for a decent 22 imp lead|pg||
nt|athene: a spec points out that north misdefended in the other room - he could have thrown his third diamond on the third round of clubs|pg||
nt|bessi2: but surely the next segment should have started by now :)|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  indeed|pg||
nt|Walddk4: They never penalise them anyway|pg||
nt|roswolf: yes this has been extremely slow|pg||
nt|athene: time penalties in bridge do seem ridiculously arbitrary and unclear|pg||
nt|athene: compared with chess :)|pg||
nt|athene: in chess, it's sort of clearcut :) of course technically much easier to implement|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2hrs 45 mins for 15.75 bds is excessive and they tool short breaks as well|pg||
nt|bessi2: especially difficult in knockout matches|pg||
nt|athene: as far as i can make out, the policy on slow play in bridge seems to be "don't do it or we will be cross, and we might penalize you, except we probably won't, unless we do, which ...|pg||
nt|athene: we probably won't"|pg||
nt|roswolf: quite easy pairs must be split for future segments|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in teams of 6, you could have a rule that the slow pairs have to sit out|pg||
nt|roswolf: playong in an unfamiliar pship for 16 bds would hurt:)|pg||
nt|bessi2: indeed.. the schedule is more like guidelines in the knocout competitions at the nationals, which I like by the way|pg||
nt|Walddk4: I strongly disagree|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Time is part of the game|pg||
pc|d2|nt|reisig: well ..almost 100%  :)|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  with Roland here - disrupts the shedule for everyone else if a pair is too slow|pg||
nt|bessi2: :)|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dT|nt|roswolf: well that has let the contract through according to GIB|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
pc|d8|nt|roswolf: he needed to rise with the queen|pg||
nt|bessi2: disrupts nothing at this point.. since, if I am not mistaken, the same boards aren't being played in all matches|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Some play better if they can think forever, and they should not be allowed to|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Else they must change the rules|pg||
pc|s5|nt|chorush: spade 5 still beats|pg||
nt|bessi2: and curtains for declarer|pg||
pc|c5|nt|bessi2: at long last.. thx all|pg||
mc|10|nt|Walddk4: Making?|pg||
nt|roswolf: chess clocks would keep the times but deciding on effective sanctions is difficult|pg||
nt|Walddk4: You can't be serious, Bruce|pg||
nt|reisig: My kind of claim :) :)|pg||
nt|roswolf: bye for now|pg||
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