vg|2011 SPINGOLD R16,Segment 2 of 4,I,17,32,Cayne,30,Schwartz,40|
rs|3DE+1,5DW-1,5DW=,2DW+2,4SN+2,4SN+2,6SN=,6SN=,3HW=,3DNx-3,3SW=,3CS=,4HW-2,4HE-1,1NE-1,2SS=,5CN=,4CS+1,6HS-2,4HN=,5DS=,4DS+1,5CW-1,5CW-1,3HW-4,2SS=,2HWx-3,2DE-2,4HE-1,5HEx=,4SN+1,2CS+1|
pn|Duboin,Ginossar,Sementa,Pachtmann,Kranyak,Cayne,Schwartz,Seamon|pg||
qx|o17|st||md|3SAQJ6HK74D962CA54,S5H82DQJT8754CQ98,SKT987HQJ3DCJT762,S432HAT965DAK3CK3|sv|o|nt|swanson: Hi all.  The first segment was not exactly a 'pitcher's duel'.  Lots of IMPs available.|pg||
nt|othered1: rehi, everybody!|pg||
nt|kit: hi everybody|pg||
nt|chorush: hi Kit|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|nt|Walddk2: Let me find N-S' CC|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|chorush: NS in danger of having their 4 spade contract stolen|pg||
nt|othered1: Have preemptive NT bids struck again here?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: does anyone know where east west is from?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Asya, you have reversed a couple of letters in East's name. It should be  Pachtmann|pg||
nt|kit: Not attractive to sell to 3@D with a diamond void|pg||
nt|Walddk2: from Israel|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2010Ostend-european/OpenTeams/italy/duboin-sementa.pdf|pg||
pc|d2|nt|Walddk2: thx|pg||
nt|kit: If North does reopen with double or 3@S, South would surely bid 4@S|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: okie and we are off|pg||
nt|swanson: The high card count is not as important as distribution when balancing against an auction like this.  If North hand one more heart he would surely double.|pg||
pc|d4|pc|c6|pc|dK|pg||
nt|kit: right John -- shape before strength, always|pg||
nt|chorush: Potentially big swing for Shwartz. They will pick up _110 instead of -420 or -450|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I also have EW's CC I think. One moment|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c8|nt|swanson: (And one fewer black cards - he is not - balancing witn 14 cards is unlikely to be succssful.)|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
nt|Walddk2: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2010Ostend-european/OpenTeams/israel/ronpa-gino.pdf|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c17|st||md|3SAQJ6HK74D962CA54,S5H82DQJT8754CQ98,SKT987HQJ3DCJT762,S432HAT965DAK3CK3|sv|o|nt|swanson: Hi all|pg||
nt|wygbe1: hi all|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: there is a problem because the Screen has no flap... :/|pg||
nt|kit: we get to start off with a nice dull grand slam which won't be so easy to bid I don't think.|pg||
nt|wygbe1: perfect fit|pg||
nt|ady: good afternoon all|pg||
nt|roswolf: hi all|pg||
nt|ady: hi Geoffrey|pg||
nt|athene: hi good evening everyone|pg||
nt|ady: e/w have 4@S|pg||
nt|ady: hi William|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|nt|joest: this is quite the fitting hand for a grand slam|pg||
mb|d|mb|3D|nt|kit: key question is whether Robinson will bid 3@S or think his hand is stronger|pg||
nt|joest: it's on the borderline|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  we are starting this set about half an hour late|pg||
mb|4S|mb|5D|nt|timb: the 1=5 @C break would point the right way to play the @Ds|pg||
nt|joest: with spades 32 you don't need to guess diamonds|pg||
nt|kit: 4@H shows a balanced 4@S call|pg||
nt|timb: true, i'm a bit slow this laye at nihjt|pg||
nt|joest: just curious: 4@s is some 'playing strength' call?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  looks like 3@d = weak and natural|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Hello Julian, David and Bill|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  5@d could be a good save|pg||
nt|Walddk4: All British team of commentators|pg||
nt|athene: hi again everyone|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Hi Bill|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: it happens to everybody Tim.  Just keep putting out those great books of yours and we'll all be happy|pg||
nt|kit: 4@S would be a distributrional thing of some kind|pg||
nt|timb: I was thinking 7NT|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: good day all|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: This is an unusual use for a double jump reverse.  The most frequent use is short hearts of some kind.|pg||
nt|athene: south, with nothing in diamonds, doesn't mind massively if his partner wants to bid on here|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  do not think South's pass is forcing here|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|joest: 0 or 3|pg||
nt|kit: Boyd can see the keycards, but not the fillers|pg||
nt|athene: but that was rarely going to happen|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  faling to X will not be costly as looks like only 1 down|pg||
pc|c3|nt|athene: this would be a harder choice if dummy had @CKxx|pg||
nt|Walddk4: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16  for 1st quarter scores (except one)|pg||
nt|athene: because giving declarer an extra club trick for a heart pitch from his hand might be fatal|pg||
nt|athene: but here, playing the ace is not likely to cost because  a pitch from dummy on @CQxx is going to be useless|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South should be thinking what can declarer usefully throw from dummy on the @cQ|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  as declarer cannot have @sKxx on the bidding, there wil be no useful discard|pg||
nt|athene: south just wondering if declarer might possibly have the bare @CQ|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  perhaps I should have phrased that differently after the previous set|pg||
nt|athene: i don'tt hink north can really have seven clubs but i suppose it's conceivable|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Kranyak-Schwartz do plenty of thinking without any encouragement :(|pg||
pc|c4|nt|kit: Robinson has the fillers, but he isn't in charge|pg||
nt|joest: now does 6@d ask for third round control?|pg||
nt|athene: certainly the jump to 4@S as a passed hand tends to be a two-suiter|pg||
pc|cQ|pg||
nt|athene: but not 5-7 :)|pg||
pc|h2|nt|kit: no 3rd round control stuff I don't think|pg||
nt|kit: Now Boyd might bid 6NT, which has to suggest the grand|pg||
nt|joest: that is dynamite I agree.  Even good pairs revert to cue bidding or other stuff|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hA|nt|kit: so laydown grand missed here -- and missed in other room also|pg||
nt|swanson: 6@S is no kings.  In the old days 6@C would show none and South could make a further try if he tought it was appropriate.|pg||
nt|timb: If there was a conventional agreement that 6@D over 5@C promise both minor suit kings...|pg||
nt|kit: 6@D would be offer to play I think|pg||
nt|timb: True but "if"|pg||
nt|joest: understood. Critical point for all partnerships.   In some I play it is an offer to play over a queen denial but not otherwise|pg||
nt|kit: Would have been better if North had been the RKC bidder.  He has the key queens, so he knows which kings are working.|pg||
nt|joest: right|pg||
nt|swanson: If your opponents bid a making grand against you with 33HCP, a 4-4 fit, and no singletons, you aren't having a good session.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South should have no problem cashing tw9o aces when in |pg||
pc|h4|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson's shape was known to be 4-4-3-2, not 5-4-2-2 by the way|pg||
nt|timb: In my partnerships, given he had bid 4NT, partner would have denied 4+ diamonds |pg||
nt|athene: you can play hearts here and hope they cash out wrong|pg||
nt|athene: i guess|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer has to have 1 spade or you are not beating it|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o18|st||md|4S85HAT5D976C98543,SHKQ7643DKQ842CAJ,SAK7632HJ92DA5CQ7,SQJT94H8DJT3CKT62|sv|n|nt|swanson: Of course, partner has to make allowances when bidding in reponse to the double, but Duboin might well have bid 4S if Sementa doubled.|pg||
mb|2S!|mb|p|nt|chorush: This bid willnot be what Ginossar was waiting for|pg||
mb|3H|nt|kit: despite the misfing, it looks like 4@Hand 5@D both make|pg||
nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16  for 1st quarter scores (except one)|pg||
nt|swanson: 3@H is natural and forcing.|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4D|nt|chorush: 4 hearts can be beaten by ace of diamonds. I dont think 5 diamonds can be beaten|pg||
nt|kit: uh oh -- now a number is coming|pg||
nt|swanson: Not forcing on North, I don't think.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Undo please, Asya|pg||
mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: East bid 3NT|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Asya?|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: something is wrong -- it is E-W bidding here|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: sorry|pg||
pc|dA|nt|Walddk2: np|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|d4|pg||
nt|kit: Good lead, but the favorable heart lie sees declarer through|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h5|nt|chorush: good lead, but the friendly heart layout means that South can win by rising or ducking|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg||
nt|chorush: can't|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|dJ|pc|hT|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
pc|dK|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|d9|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hJ|mc|11|pg||
qx|c18|st||md|4S85HAT5D976C98543,SHKQ7643DKQ842CAJ,SAK7632HJ92DA5CQ7,SQJT94H8DJT3CKT62|sv|n|nt|timb: John Swanson has it pegged|pg||
nt|kit: I believe that Boyd should have gambled it -- try constructing hands Robinson can have which justify the 4@H call, and I don't think the grand will ever be worse than a finesse.|pg||
nt|joest: i was just thinking that|pg||
nt|athene: not any more :)|pg||
nt|athene: another club to force dummy there would not work|pg||
nt|athene: declarer could set up hearts and then run them through south and neutralize his trumps|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  NS missed their spade game in the OR|pg||
nt|athene: so south had to cash the sapde|pg||
nt|athene: the spade|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: but that was hardly a taxing defence to find|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|nt|kit: If the grand is no worse than a finesse and there is a reasonable chance it is laydown, the odds on bidding it at IMPs are good.|pg||
nt|joest: although AJxx/AQ/Axxx/QJx wouldn't be so hot. That's why 6@d as a 3rd round ask would be great|pg||
mb|1S|nt|wygbe1: well you could change the club qj into the heart king, same shape, no play|pg||
nt|kit: that hand wouldn't be a 4@H bid IMO|pg||
nt|kit: but you know he doesn't have the king of hearts!|pg||
nt|wygbe1: very true|pg||
nt|joest: Are Boyd and Robinson playing transfer responses?|pg||
nt|ady: seems 11 tricks were made in spades on hand 1|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: 1@H shows spades, as seems clear|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: double here will be support|pg||
nt|joest: support X|pg||
nt|kit: so they will get to 4@S -- Robinson will probably invite|pg||
nt|joest: well over a 3@h raise the 3@s bid loses a little of its invitational flavor but south would carry on nonetheless|pg||
nt|wygbe1: you could stick the club q into the h suit, same shape = is that worth a 4h bid? |pg||
nt|swanson: This is a type of hand where support doubles really come to th fore.  If North returns to 2@S, South can bid 3@C to show extra values with a long club suit.|pg||
nt|roswolf: do we know who is who?|pg||
nt|roswolf: sorry all we are having some technical problems|pg||
nt|athene: 3@D reopening?|pg||
nt|athene: no-one really knows what 2@D, 3@D and 2@S show here by west|pg||
mb|2D|nt|yorkbeach:  4@h, 5@d and 3NT all seem to have play|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Any kind of transfer type bid (rather than making a bid which might be passed) works better with a further message to say|pg||
nt|roswolf: 1this is wrong|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: North would like to tranfer once again.|pg||
nt|wygbe1: do ns play 14-16 nt openers? or 15-17?|pg||
nt|kit: Now not clear if 3@S is invite or not -- But Boyd will go anyway|pg||
nt|kit: 15-17|pg||
nt|joest: 4@d will induce Berk to save|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: i think its 15-17 not sure|pg||
nt|roswolf: 3nt by north?|pg||
nt|athene: i think 2@D is a bit wet|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  with Bill here - 2@h hardly suggests a 3-loser hand |pg||
nt|athene: cayne doesn't ever seem to want to jump when he has a monster|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  2@d rather|pg||
nt|athene: it cost him a vul game last set|pg||
nt|athene: when he rebid only 2@C rather than 3@C|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  only nonvul this time|pg||
pc|sA|nt|kit: However, e-W look like they will be saving|pg||
pc|s4|nt|joest: 4@d was an excellent call|pg||
pc|s8|pc|d2|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|kit: Good decision by Boyd|pg||
nt|joest: was 4@s really alerted?|pg||
nt|kit: Cohler will probably go back to hearts now|pg||
nt|joest: i'm surprised he didn't the first time|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg||
nt|kit: Meckwell took push to 5@S in other room, so we should have new leader it looks like|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  would East have bid 3NT over 3@d or raised the diamonds?|pg||
nt|athene: 3nt |pg||
pc|d7|nt|athene: i would imagine|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dA|nt|swanson: This is a dangerous save - it will do well only because hearts are 2-2.|pg||
nt|kit: yes -- I think Cohler should have played in hearts|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|joest: yes it is.   diving in a 4-4 is not a growth industry|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|d6|nt|yorkbeach:  yes nearly all values are in the blacks|pg||
nt|ady: 5@D got home in OR   needs ace and anothr diamond start to defend|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  perhaps Cayne was giving Schwartz the chance to bid 2@s, suspecting that East could double 2@s|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  taking the risk of a missed non-vul game for the chance of a useful penalty|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  was quite disciplined of Schwartz to pass over 2@d - many players would just take one look at the sixth spade and bid 2@s|pg||
nt|athene: well this auction suggests strongly that east has a spade stack|pg||
nt|athene: west usually has a spade void to reopen with 2@D rather than double|pg||
nt|athene: so i think pass was judicious|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  either that or very short in @c, though as West could convert @c to @d, West could could afford to X 1@s even without @c support|pg||
pc|dQ|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|dJ|nt|kit: apparently heart shift not found vs. 5@S at other table -- a disaster.|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
pc|s9|nt|wygbe1: if s puts n in with spade for another club play, e will need to discard to prevent losing the heart suit|pg||
pc|s5|pc|h4|nt|swanson: Maybe 4@D should be used to show at least 5 diamonds; East could bid 3NT to show his actual shape.|pg||
nt|joest: now a club|pg||
nt|timb: if trumps were 4-1 we might need an abacus to calculate the damage|pg||
pc|sK|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|c2|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o19|st||md|1SK96HKT432DJ532CA,SQ7HA86DKQTCJ7542,SAJT854HQ7DACQT83,S32HJ95D98764CK96|sv|e|nt|Walddk2: There is some dispute as to the result of bioard 16 in the 1st quarter. Whether 4@H made or not in the closed room|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Scored as made, we saw that it did not and Kranyak is disputing it|pg||
mb|2D|mb|p|nt|chorush: I suspect it did because I cannot see declarer failing to play the diamond Q on a diamond return|pg||
mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Our operator says he did not rise|pg||
nt|chorush: then he was set 1 as you say|pg||
nt|kit: this particular 4th suit auction is always ugly, since the 4th suit bid is at the 3-level|pg||
mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|kit: 4@C presumably a slam try in spades -- no other way to make one|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d8|nt|swanson: I would prefer a rasie to 2@S by South rather than 2@D, put the decision is a partership style matter - doesn't usually find it's way to a convention card.|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|s5|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|s4|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s6|nt|swanson: In my system, after 1@H - 1@S - 2@D I use both 3@D and 3@H as forcing (and 3@S), 3@C is used to invite in a read suit (could be other foricng hands).|pg||
pc|s7|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|swanson: red suit|pg||
mc|12|pg||
qx|c19|st||md|1SK96HKT432DJ532CA,SQ7HA86DKQTCJ7542,SAJT854HQ7DACQT83,S32HJ95D98764CK96|sv|e|nt|kit: yep -- AK of diamonds cashed before heart shift|pg||
nt|timb: how!!!!|pg||
nt|wygbe1: yes that one could have gotten a little ugly|pg||
nt|ady: cannot see the point of last play   wjy not come to hand with A@C draw trump  and either hearts break or not|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  vulnerability may silence EW here, at least if South opens|pg||
nt|athene: 1@H - 1@S; 2@S and you might get to 6@S i suppose|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in these days of RKCB, it is rare to bid a slam missing an ace and the queen of trumps|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  though on your sequence North may think the fit is 6-4 and not worry about the @sQ|pg||
nt|athene: he can ask over 2@S and find out how many spades his partner has|pg||
mb|1H|nt|joest: oh I thought maybe somebody underled diamonds to score a ruff|pg||
nt|kit: I think|pg||
nt|joest: we will see Berk's hand in the Master Solvers Club in about 18 months|pg||
nt|joest: impossible decision|pg||
nt|kit: yes, that's what happened|pg||
nt|ady: very nice lay for 12 tricks   in spades   but likely to play in game|pg||
nt|athene: well, he might not be able to as this is a new partnership|pg||
mb|p|nt|timb: joest :) :)|pg||
nt|kit: Berkowitz has tough hand over the preempt|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  how does the ask work?|pg||
mb|1S|nt|joest: ok and kit what does 3@h mean?|pg||
nt|kit: I don't know this one, sorry|pg||
nt|joest: they are bidding their four card majors up the lne|pg||
nt|joest: line|pg||
nt|timb: looking for a @D stopper?|pg||
nt|joest: maybe catching a heart raiase|pg||
nt|kit: It may be conventional looking for 4-card major -- I think it is something new in their methods|pg||
nt|athene: no 2@C from north?|pg||
nt|ady: 4 of either major  sees ok for e/w|pg||
nt|roswolf: on bd 2 i am told by the operator that 3nt was -2|pg||
nt|athene: do we have names for the players operator?|pg||
nt|athene: my guess is EW are lauria versace|pg||
nt|athene: but could be sementa duboin?|pg||
nt|ady: 4@Smade 11 tricks in open room|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Operator, could you please put player names up?|pg||
nt|roswolf: oh i do trust you but canadians!?|pg||
nt|ady: auction in open room west 1@H   2@C   dbl    south 2NT    west 4@C   east 4@H   west 4@S   all pass   |pg||
nt|athene: a 2@C overcall might silence east; double isn't really ideal with only three hearts|pg||
nt|athene: but even a good raise from south isn't going to shut out west|pg||
nt|ady: not an every day auction|pg||
nt|roswolf: west is in 4@H here|pg||
nt|athene: 1@S 2@C P 2@S [@C raise] 3@H and now east is bidding 4@H or 4@S (or maybe 4@C choice of games, if he is given the room)|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Schwartz-Kranyak  are N-S  against  Lauria-Versace|pg||
nt|athene: ok, so what is the likelihood EW can be talked out of game?  arrange these words into a common phrase: snowball's, hell, not, chance, in, a|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: most use 2NT|pg||
mb|2S|nt|kit: this makes more sense|pg||
nt|kit: this I know is conventional, looking for major-suit holdings|pg||
nt|joest: I have played 3@d a couple of ways here|pg||
nt|kit: 3@H shows 3 or 4 hearts I think|pg||
nt|swanson: Any bid other than pass my North looks like an effort to turn a plus into a minus.|pg||
nt|joest: looking for a three card major is one treament|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|nt|kit: E-W have no idea it is their hand|pg||
nt|joest: Well if Cohler is thinking ...|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: chances of getting to a slam with an immediate spade raise|pg||
nt|athene: 3@D now probably showing 3-5-4-1|pg||
mb|3D|nt|joest: when you open these hands with 3@c, 3NT by partner was not what you had in mind|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  loses the option to use 2NT as a natural game but can gain on big hands|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  natural game try|pg||
nt|athene: singleton club opposite is fairly good news for north|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|nt|kit: Boyd runs before anything happens|pg||
nt|timb: 3nt over 3@C would probably have got a @S lead...|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: but only three trumps in dummy is VERY bad news especially if you are going to try to establish hearts|pg||
nt|athene: so 4@S sensible|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  but will be hard work to ruff 3@c|pg||
pc|s2|nt|yorkbeach:  seems that North planned to go for a slam only if South showed 4@s|pg||
nt|ady: can set up hearts    favourable lie|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg||
nt|athene: yes, 4@C over 2NT might have been a splinter with four spades, say 4-5-3-1|pg||
nt|athene: and that would get north a bit more excited|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  East has heard about the singleton club in dummy and leads a trump to cut down on ruffs, hoping West has the hearts covered|pg||
nt|athene: trump lead will hold it to 12 :)|pg||
nt|athene: as good as anything else|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|nt|yorkbeach:  with the hearts lying this well, all plays lead to 12|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
pc|d3|nt|athene: hmmmm, is declarer going for ruffs rather than the heart establishment?|pg||
pc|dT|nt|kit: nice result for E-W in other room, virtually tying the match|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d4|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|s9|pc|c4|pg||
nt|joest: great match|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|s4|nt|ady: that works as well|pg||
nt|athene: ok, 12 anyway with the @CK falling|pg||
mc|12|nt|yorkbeach:  now the @sQ has gone, ruffing clubs becomes more attractive|pg||
pg||
qx|o20|st||md|2SAJ986HAKJT3DJ6C5,SHQ64DKQ43CAK9864,SKQT43H98DA8CJT32,S752H752DT9752CQ7|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|kit: I agree John -- much more efficient way to play it|pg||
mb|2N|mb|3C|nt|kit: Nice slam here -- may be difficult to get to after the opening bid|pg||
nt|swanson: Good slam here - but tough to bid.|pg||
nt|chorush: A very reasonable slam is available for NS here|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Seems like South might have splintered -- then North would like his hand|pg||
nt|chorush: if 4 clubs get 4 diamonds they may get there|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|nt|kit: seems to me South is focusing on the wrong things here|pg||
mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|kit: That will certainly get them to slam|pg||
mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg||
nt|swanson: 7@C would be down only 1100 making it a very useful save, but it is impracticle to find.|pg||
nt|vbman: 7dia-4|pg||
nt|kit: 3-0 spade split will worry declarer since he won't be able to ruff 2 hearts to set up suit for diamond pitch and then ruff a diamond, but with the hearts 3-3 there will be no ...|pg||
nt|kit: problem|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|s6|pc|c4|pg||
pc|s8|pc|c6|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg||
nt|kit: Only danger will be if he decides East has 4 hearts, and finesses|pg||
nt|swanson: That would give West 5-6 in the minors; I think declarer gets it right.|pg||
nt|chorush: declarer may finish trumps to give himself the option to play for Qxxx in hearts in west|pg||
pc|s9|pc|d3|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|c8|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h2|nt|kit: moment of truth coming up|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|h5|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hQ|mc|12|pg||
qx|c20|st||md|2SAJ986HAKJT3DJ6C5,SHQ64DKQ43CAK9864,SKQT43H98DA8CJT32,S752H752DT9752CQ7|sv|b|nt|joest: another wild hand|pg||
nt|roswolf: hmmmmmmmmm|pg||
nt|athene: very well done by NS in the other room to reach slam after the opposing 1@C opener|pg||
mb|1C|nt|joest: is this 3@h too big?|pg||
nt|joest: guess so|pg||
nt|swanson: A 3@C preempt with the South hand can cause serious problems for the opponents but creates havoc with consturctive bidding over your own preempts.  A partnership style.|pg||
nt|joest: Kit you would bid 3@h in your sleep, right?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  just what I was about to say|pg||
mb|1S|nt|athene: EW play fairly standard 5-card majors, strong notrump, short club - i am hunting for NS's convention card|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Yes, I would|pg||
nt|joest: transfer then key cards?|pg||
nt|joest: then a mournful signoff in 5@s|pg||
nt|kit: seems normal -- basically what happened in other room, after 2@H opening and 2NT overcall|pg||
nt|sybarra: can Berk get back in iwth H!?|pg||
nt|sybarra: with @H?|pg||
nt|joest: not over 4@h he can't|pg||
nt|kit: Of course, after 3@H opening might have been more interesting|pg||
nt|roswolf: just need to rightside the slam|pg||
nt|ady: still only 11 sure tricks    |pg||
nt|ady: trumps 3-0  but hearts ok  for 6@S|pg||
nt|athene: to be fair though south does not need very much from his partner|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  the @dA and good spades|pg||
mb|2C|nt|Walddk4: Anyone know contract, declarer and number of tricks on board 2, so that I can give Bruce the code|pg||
mb|d|nt|athene: kranyak might be worried that schwartz has another very light overcall like the 1@H that got into trouble last set|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  interesting that neither South bid 3@h as a fit-showing jump|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: I'm surprised -- I thought they made 4-level transfer and then RKC|pg||
nt|kit: Pass over the double shows doubleton spade I think|pg||
nt|athene: doubling 2@C is not very pre-emptive|pg||
nt|athene: how about 2nt or something|pg||
nt|athene: get the minors into it|pg||
nt|athene: partner might have five diamonds over there!|pg||
nt|athene: i am not a huge fan of 3@H fit showing because south is simply too strong|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if the NS spade fit is only 5-3, West needs to be careful when vulnerable|pg||
nt|athene: you don't really need a fitting heart honour |pg||
nt|athene: and you don't need a club control|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  no idea that South has so many spades|pg||
nt|athene: south should be just taking control|pg||
mb|3C|nt|ady: inly a club lead from south does not immediately give the 12th|pg||
nt|athene: i think Versace can happily bid 3@C there to show his long club suit without implying loads of hcp|pg||
nt|athene: because with any strong hand he would start with a double|pg||
nt|athene: first ask partner if he has total rubbish; when he says no, ask for keycards|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: they are playing 5@s in the open|pg||
nt|ady: as kibs suggest almost certain to make|pg||
nt|athene: it might look as though declarer is sure to succeed, even on a club lead, in 6nt, because both red suit finesses work|pg||
nt|athene: a fit-showing jump tries to make partner captain of the auction and south is too strong to want to do that, i think|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  presumably North could have bid 2@s over 2@c X to show total rubbish|pg||
mb|3N|nt|roswolf: whoops|pg||
nt|athene: but there are ways to go down|pg||
nt|athene: you might play for a strip-and-throw-in on south, playing him for @HQ or @DK |pg||
nt|athene: hmmm|pg||
nt|ady: best contract 6@C from east side   can ruff out the diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: i think Lauria intended that 4nt as blackwood|pg||
nt|roswolf: there could be an animated post-mortem on this one|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: well, again, that is something that an experienced pair will have discussed but this NS might not have|pg||
nt|athene: yes i think on fast arrive principles, 2@S would be north's weakest action|pg||
mb|4C|nt|athene: maybe he should simply have bid 6NT - not really possible for Versace to have no ace|pg||
nt|athene: but not everyone agrees|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: I don't like a double here with the West cards.  You don't want to demand a heart lead, buying the contract is unlikely, and it gives help to the opponents in the auction and the ...|pg||
nt|swanson: play.|pg||
nt|ady: did not expect this swing|pg||
nt|athene: south is waiting patiently for a diamond control-bid|pg||
mb|4D|nt|kit: I agree John, but one hates to never bid with that hand|pg||
nt|roswolf: world class players having a bidding misunderstanding in a very simple sequence - there is hope for us mere mortals still|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: ...and there we are|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South is determined to reamain captain of this auction :)|pg||
nt|athene: now 4NT|pg||
mb|5S|mb|p|nt|kit: The 4@D call is a splinter, and when Robinson showed no interest Boyd gave up on slam -- reasonable|pg||
nt|kit: After all, could have been off 3 aces on a bad day.|pg||
nt|athene: hmmmm|pg||
nt|athene: what was wrong with good ol' blackwood?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  is 5@s two way, either good controls and bad spades or good spades and bad controls?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  hard for North to go on with two heart losers|pg||
nt|athene: jumping to 5 of a major is most often a Partner Torture bid|pg||
mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: it says "i want you to bid slam with exactly xxxxxx but not yyyyyyy" and partner has to fill in the blanks|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  that is what everyone tells me when I do it :)|pg||
nt|athene: i like my partner to bid blackwood :) i have at least a 60% chance of getting the subsequent auction right|pg||
pc|s2|nt|athene: 2nt from west over 2@C might have worked better in that north would not have been able to show extras immediately, as we think the pass after double did|pg||
nt|athene: also east might have bid lots of diamonds, which would have been exciting|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer will need to set up the hearts to make enough tricks|pg||
pc|s6|pc|c6|nt|athene: maybe he was still interested in a grand slam|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|athene: of course, every pair must have its own rules about when 4NT is (or is not) blackwood, so it's hard to know who is to blame|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in view of West's opening bid and void in spades, declarer will not want to finesse East for the @hQ|pg||
nt|ady: once the trumps are 3-0  declarer would have to get things right with a ruffing finesse had west had QXXX hearts   but all is well|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  whether declarer plays a ruffing finesse or simply hopes the @hQ falls in 3 rounds, the slam is there|pg||
nt|athene: the defence have four obvious tricks against 7@D (@HAK, ruff, @DA)- is that all?|pg||
pc|s8|nt|yorkbeach:  they are now 2 whole boards ahead in the OR|pg||
pc|c4|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|d4|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hQ|nt|yorkbeach:  @c ruff too?|pg||
nt|athene: ah, yes|pg||
mc|12|nt|athene: ok, so 1400|pg||
nt|athene: great board at BAM|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  so a possible 1 IMP gain blown :)|pg||
nt|athene: bidding diamonds might talk NS out of slam though|pg||
nt|athene: e.g. 1@C 1@S P 2@C 2N P 5@D and it's murky|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  it would appear that North is claiming|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  even murkier than on the actual auction with South's 5@s bid :)|pg||
pg||
qx|o21|st||md|3S9865H3DA98CAJ853,SAK7HAJT862DT6CQT,SQJHQ97DK7432C642,ST432HK54DQJ5CK97|sv|n|nt|chorush: we will never know what he would have done if west's 3rd heart was small|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|swanson: E-W are likely to bid a heart game here - and be down with the loss of a heart trick.|pg||
mb|d|mb|3H|nt|othered1: Maybe not after the double|pg||
nt|swanson: The double has just eliminated the heart loser - declarer will now guess it.|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: the light takeout double may help declarer get hearts right |pg||
pc|sQ|nt|swanson: I'm surprised West didn't make some kind of try - maybe East was extra heavy for his raise.|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg||
nt|othered1: downgrading for 4-3-3-3 shape, perhaps?|pg||
nt|kit: Well, East has a maximum and game still only so-so, so West's judgment looks reasonable|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|c5|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|dK|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cA|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|s6|nt|swanson: Usually, 3@H in a competitve auction (as in this one) is use only to preempt the next hand - it has no invitational component.|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c21|st||md|3S9865H3DA98CAJ853,SAK7HAJT862DT6CQT,SQJHQ97DK7432C642,ST432HK54DQJ5CK97|sv|n|nt|kit: did Boyd really ruff the ace of hearts by accident?|pg||
nt|joest: he overruffed actually|pg||
nt|wygbe1: overruffed east|pg||
nt|kit: oh, sorry -- okay|pg||
nt|athene: versace might have felt that lauria had other ways to set clubs before bidding 4nt|pg||
nt|roswolf: a gift for schwartz|pg||
nt|athene: e.g. 4@C|pg||
nt|athene: true, if your opponents are capable of self-inflicted murk maybe you don't take risks to do it to them|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: the feared Flannery|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: 2@H is Flannery|pg||
nt|timb: Reese intimated it was almost useless|pg||
nt|sybarra: Roland bans us from commenting for using that word :) |pg||
nt|joest: an overly maligned convention|pg||
nt|roswolf: an upgrade?|pg||
mb|p|nt|timb: which one - Reese or useless|pg||
mb|1H|nt|sybarra: flannery!|pg||
nt|ady: no problem to make 3NT for n/s|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: This may steal the pot|pg||
mb|2H|mb|d|nt|timb: theorists would argue it's has too a low frequency to use for a 2-level bid|pg||
nt|athene: 3@H not constructive ( he has lots of other bids for that)|pg||
mb|r|nt|Walddk4: http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php, or http://www.bridgebase.com/mobile/  Watch multiple tables (without logging in) |pg||
mb|3D|mb|d|nt|joest: I've played it often and I think it's primary benefit is on hands where it is not used|pg||
nt|joest: you can respond 1NT a lot more often over 1@h and not have to worry about responding 1@s on Jxxx or something like that|pg||
nt|athene: the EW convention card does say they play modified turbo rather than blackwood when clubs are trump|pg||
nt|athene: certainly 4nt blackwood is not so much use in clubs|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Looks like both 2@S and 3@D are makes here, so possible pickup for Robinson|pg||
nt|ady: heart lead declarer will run round to ace|pg||
nt|athene: so turbo uses 4NT to say "i have an even number of keycards"|pg||
nt|ady: then obviously play on diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: maybe that is what 4nt said - "i have slam interest in clubs and an even number of keycards" and versace was not at libterty to pass it|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South takes advantage of being passed hand to make what some call a pre-balancing action |pg||
nt|athene: east has good news/bad news - max hcp but soft and 433|pg||
nt|athene: 4333|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  with 6@h, I would just bid 3@h as West|pg||
mb|p|nt|timb: like many conventions ;)|pg||
mb|p|pc|d5|nt|joest: plus when you do bid 1@s and get raised it is almost 100% to be a 3 card raise|pg||
nt|ady: great lead|pg||
nt|ady: will have to try and set up clubs|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer will have to set up the clubs but still big trouble|pg||
nt|ady: at least 500|pg||
pc|h3|nt|ady: minimum 9 tricks    likely more with west getting squeezed holding all the important cards|pg||
nt|athene: a guess in diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: cashing the ace first would have resolved that|pg||
nt|ady: I would have tht ace first|pg||
nt|athene: Versace can count his partner for very few HCP|pg||
nt|athene: surprising decision from cayne to penalize them at the 3 level with a sixth heart|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg||
nt|roswolf: with that dummy west knows this will make |pg||
nt|athene: but it sure has worked|pg||
pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|dJ|nt|swanson: My experience is that Flannery is an OK convention.  If I remember correctly William Flannery gave up using his own convention.|pg||
pc|d8|pg||
pc|h9|nt|joest: nice d|pg||
nt|athene: declarer might not want to deal with a second heart from east, which is good news in diamonds|pg||
pc|h5|pc|d9|pc|h2|pg||
nt|athene: as he will play the ace to guard against that|pg||
pc|s5|nt|joest: now when the spade hook loses anothe diamond, a pitch by cohler and voila a second trump trick|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|nt|ady: looks like 800|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|Walddk4: First quarter scores at  http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  perhaps my decision to bid 3@h is influenced by the fact that I am not used to playing a system where East would bid 2@h with the hand he has |pg||
pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|hT|nt|ady: might only make 9|pg||
nt|athene: duck a heart is safe now, and might be indicated by the play|pg||
nt|athene: if versace did not have the @HK he would likely have returned the suit hoping his partner had a diamond entry|pg||
pc|d3|pc|s3|pc|c5|pg||
nt|athene: actually sorry still not totally safe; versace might have all the hearts|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Ginossar in the other room after the same start bid 3@h|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg||
pc|s8|nt|athene: i don't think declarer can rule that out entirely|pg||
pc|s7|pc|d4|pc|sT|pg||
mc|6|pg||
qx|o22|st||md|4SQ5H852DQCAQ98643,SJT982HAQ4DA95CK2,SK764HKJ97DT72CJT,SA3HT63DKJ8643C75|sv|e|nt|swanson: East might have redoubled, then bid 3@H.  On well, time to give it up.|pg||
mb|p|mb|3C|nt|kit: I don't like that sort of auction -- gives opponents room to find their fit|pg||
nt|chorush: On a spade lead, he woul dhave had a difficult guess in 4. He would have played quite differently|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: The 3@C preempt gives West a difficult problem|pg||
nt|kit: With partner being a passed hand game less likely, so he chooses to pass -- but they still may lose a double part-score swign|pg||
nt|swanson: 3@C is heavy at these colors for most partnerships.|pg||
nt|chorush: or even a game swing, since 3NT is making|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|swanson: We see lots of 3@C preempt not vul vs vul with QJxxxx and a side singleton.|pg||
nt|kit: always good odds preempting at favorable on any hand -- costs opponents 10 IMPs when they get it wrong, costs you 5 IMPs when you get it wrong|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|nt|kit: West had to choose between 3@S and 3NT (and pass) -- he chose wrong|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
nt|swanson: Why not bid 3NT with the West cards after partner shows a diamond suit?  He can't expect partner to have enough values in spades to raise and can be certain partner won't be able ...|pg||
nt|swanson: to bid 3NT.|pg||
nt|chorush: 3NT follows Hamman's rule and I agree with John|pg||
nt|kit: To make matters worse, 3@S might not be making when 3NT does make|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|nt|chorush: Lot of specs are asking about Hamman's rule. "if 3NT is a possible bid, bid it"|pg||
pc|dT|pc|d3|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|kit: South would have done better to shift to a heart, but not at all obvious|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cT|pg||
nt|kit: Declarer knows finesse can't be on due to 3@C opener|pg||
pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|d4|pc|c8|pg||
pc|hK|mc|9|pg||
qx|c22|st||md|4SQ5H852DQCAQ98643,SJT982HAQ4DA95CK2,SK764HKJ97DT72CJT,SA3HT63DKJ8643C75|sv|e|nt|joest: One of the players tonight, Bill Cole, gave up using his own convention.  It happens! :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|3C|nt|joest: we'll see if they play 3@s is weak here|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: they do -- and effective here|pg||
nt|ady: 22 pts 3NT came to grief in OR|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  3NT appears to be makeable|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  by EW|pg||
nt|ady: should just make|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|athene: interesting that Lauria passes 1@H; i would have thought 2@C was ok with that suit|pg||
nt|ady: seems normal to open on east hand     but not to get as high as 3NT|pg||
nt|athene: they don't play support doubles, as mentioned before, so that was not an option|pg||
pc|s4|nt|yorkbeach:  yes @h friendly, making up for @cK offside|pg||
nt|ady: useful part score swing for Schwartz|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s5|pg||
nt|joest: 4@s is a bit pushy but 'I was vulnerable at IMPs' covers a lot of ground|pg||
nt|kit: hmm -- something may have gone wrong -- East hand surely not worth 4@S if 3@S preemptive, and West hand surely not worth limit raise|pg||
nt|joest: ok 4@s is a lot pushy |pg||
nt|kit: Still, on a better day 4@S might have made|pg||
nt|athene: worth a mention here that south bids 2@D as a cue rather than 2@C|pg||
nt|roswolf: here the matter should rest|pg||
nt|athene: 2@D is more clearly a cue raise of hearts because south can't want to show diamonds naturally, after west bid them|pg||
nt|athene: given south passed over 1@C|pg||
nt|athene: but he might well have great clubs (e.g. 7 solid) and want to bid clubs naturally|pg||
nt|athene: so it's not clear 2@C should be a cue|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sQ|nt|ady: surely west wont sit for 2@H?|pg||
nt|athene: south got a bit over-excited here, though|pg||
nt|roswolf: THAT IMO IS A GROSS OVERBID|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s6|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  you can understand why East passed|pg||
pc|h5|nt|athene: 2@D says "i have a good hand with hearts", 2@H says "good for you, let's play 2@H"|pg||
pc|hA|nt|athene: if he really wants, he can go 3@H saying "i have a REALLY good heart raise" but that's about all|pg||
pc|h7|nt|joest: next door meckwell have powered themselves to 4@h north-south and east-west are mulling over a save|pg||
nt|joest: all pass and 4@h looks to go down |pg||
nt|roswolf: CLEARLY SOUTH HASNT REMEMBERED HOW WEAK HIS PARDS OVERCALLS CAN BE:)|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
pc|sT|nt|ady: looks like down 2    so 300 in each room for Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: yes it's hard to imagine a game if partner can't bid over 3@C|pg||
pc|s7|pc|h6|nt|wygbe1: trump returns best|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  do you agree with West's 3@s in the OR?|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
pc|cA|nt|athene: and unless game is a possibility, you are risking a lot to gain little|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|c5|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  after East had reopened with 3@d?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Thde website to scores is OK; it's just that the server is slow and can't take too many hits at a time|pg||
pc|c8|nt|swanson: Yes, but North will fear ducking any red suit card from dummy for fear of giving up the contract.|pg||
nt|athene: south has no top heart honour and not the @H10 or @H9, so he should take that as a warning - his partner might just be bidding on a very good suit but nothing else|pg||
nt|athene: if south had better hearts it would be a lot more reasonable to be aggressive|pg||
nt|athene: since if partner hasn't got a great suit he should have a decent hand|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cJ|nt|ady: kib suggest down 1|pg||
nt|ady: maybe after no cover of J@D?|pg||
nt|roswolf: seriously why south bid as he did is perplexing - surely you know the propensity of pards overcalls at this level|pg||
nt|athene: down only one is not possible|pg||
nt|athene: the defence will just play ace and a spade now|pg||
pc|c7|pg||
mc|9|nt|athene: versace has the @HA and lauria has the @H5 for the third round of diamonds|pg||
nt|Walddk4: www.confsudbridge.org   photos from Toronto, courtesy of Catarina Robles|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if you can make 6@d, 1@H and 1@c, you just need one more trick|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  for 3NT|pg||
pg||
qx|o23|st||md|1SAKQT6HJT6DK43CT3,S5HQ92DAQJT2CKQ72,S8742HA75D9765C96,SJ93HK843D8CAJ854|sv|b|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|3S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: This responsive double looks pretty optimistic with a singleton in partner's suit|pg||
mb|p|nt|chorush: It was a bold bid that could have worked out had West chosen clubs|pg||
pc|s4|nt|kit: Apparently West thought East should have 5 hearts for the double -- something a partnership should have discussed.|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sK|pc|h2|pc|s2|pc|s9|pg||
nt|swanson: It's a good responsive double at the two level.  E-W have traded in a quite +200 defending 3@S for what's behind curtain number 3.|pg||
nt|swanson: quiet|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pg||
pc|d8|nt|chorush: I think there is a game behind this curtain if he goes tohand and takes diamond finesse, pitching spade|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|sJ|pc|d4|pg||
nt|kit: I don't think so -- he get tapped by diamond play|pg||
nt|chorush: guess they can tap him with the diamond K now|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg||
nt|kit: North got too cute|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|d2|pc|s7|nt|kit: But declarer failed to take advantage of the mistake|pg||
pc|h8|pg||
pc|c4|pc|hJ|pc|c2|pc|d6|pg||
pc|sT|pc|dT|pc|s8|mc|8|pg||
qx|c23|st||md|1SAKQT6HJT6DK43CT3,S5HQ92DAQJT2CKQ72,S8742HA75D9765C96,SJ93HK843D8CAJ854|sv|b|nt|joest: new leaders|pg||
nt|joest: we have had a bunch of lead changes.  This match has been close throughout and remains so with 10 boards left|pg||
nt|athene: maybe south thought that the misunderstanding over 4NT meant he could take liberties - that's a rash assumption; EW don't give a whole lot away in the play or defence|pg||
mb|1S|mb|d|nt|joest: anyone for Garbage Stayman here?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: should n bid 2c, planning to pass any response?|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson can bid 2@C puppet, and get to 2@D|pg||
nt|swanson: IT is very considerate of the players to be giving us such a close match.  Many of the realy round matches were surprising runaways.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  curious choice of contract in the OR|pg||
mb|3S|nt|joest: I would prefer to be playing 'regular Stayman' on this one|pg||
nt|kit: Of course, playing normal Stayman can and would have same auction|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|nt|athene: interesting that north chooses double rather than 2@H|pg||
nt|athene: normally you bid 2@H with five and a strong hand|pg||
nt|ady: nice lay for n/s   but still seems only 11 tricks in hearts   unless diamond lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: maybe they play negative free bids? (immediate 2@H would be non-forcing)|pg||
nt|ady: chance in 5@C for e/w|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: early|pg||
nt|swanson: This is an auction where it is almost never a winning action to balance.  Don't even look at your hand.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  club suit lost in the bidding, as happens from time to time|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  bidding geared towards all the other suits|pg||
pc|sA|nt|kit: Cohler hates to sell to 2@D with a stiff diamond, but has no convenient way into the auction|pg||
nt|joest: and that's for the best!|pg||
pc|s5|nt|kit: 2NT in other room, will fare a lot worse.|pg||
nt|joest: the hesitation suggests perhaps short diamonds in east and starting diamonds from the dummy|pg||
nt|athene: i still haven't found the mysterious elusive NS convention card sorry|pg||
nt|roswolf: a pass missed out here|pg||
nt|roswolf: 4@H bid by north|pg||
nt|roswolf: not west|pg||
nt|ady: west has to choose between double or overcalling diamonds|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  I would be happt yo play in a @c partial with the EW cards|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s3|pg||
nt|roswolf: ty|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|kit: or just leading queen from hand|pg||
pc|h2|nt|athene: maybe only 11 tricks here|pg||
pc|s4|nt|ady: should be an imp to Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: if he pulls three rounds of trumps|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  the pre-emptive 3! raise did its job - forced the opponents to guess and they guessed wrong|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  3@s raise|pg||
pc|cK|nt|kit: fortunately he need only 8 tricks, so has margin for error|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cA|nt|swanson: Declarer won't lead another round of trumps.  Time for a cross-ruff.|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d3|nt|ady: finesse diamond|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|athene: actually i guess versace might get squeezed anyway|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
nt|ady: Q@H?|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|sJ|nt|athene: spade pitch now, but then what on the @HA?|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cJ|nt|athene: if he comes down to @DAx declarer just leads a diamond to the queen and ducks the next one|pg||
nt|ady: squeeze on west|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h6|nt|ady: now 12|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|athene: a defender who has to guard three suits might as well give up - you always get crushed|pg||
nt|roswolf: doesnt have to|pg||
nt|ady: was aqeezed in 3 suits|pg||
nt|athene: i think that was +2, not +3?|pg||
nt|ady: squeezed|pg||
nt|roswolf: methinks only 12 tricks|pg||
nt|athene: hands where you have a big side suit fit but a thin trump suit are a real pain because you can't crossruff |pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  yes would be a good try - if North ducks, you can make it - not that I can see a good reason to duck|pg||
nt|athene: you have to draw trumps to use your side suit but you can never do that and keep control|pg||
nt|ady: diamond now|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  why not a spade?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  not a heart anyway|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  might get out for -1 and gain 3 IMPs|pg||
pc|s7|pc|c4|pc|s6|pc|h9|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d7|nt|ady: I think could have made if not cashing A@D  but play Q@H   as they lay|pg||
pc|h4|pc|dK|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hT|nt|joest: 7 imps on a kind of 'nothing' hand|pg||
pc|d2|mc|9|pg||
qx|o24|st||md|2S652HK3DJ9874CJT8,SAT93H754DKQT65CK,SKQ87HAQ8D2CAQ642,SJ4HJT962DA3C9753|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|nt|Walddk2: First quarter scores at  http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16|pg||
nt|swanson: N-S will likely make 3NT here - on defense.|pg||
nt|swanson: This is declarer's last chance to take as many as five tricks.|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|c2|pg||
pc|dK|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|d8|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|c4|pc|h6|pc|d9|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg||
nt|swanson: Nice play.  Had a good shot a six tricks.|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|h4|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d6|mc|6|pg||
qx|c24|st||md|2S652HK3DJ9874CJT8,SAT93H754DKQT65CK,SKQ87HAQ8D2CAQ642,SJ4HJT962DA3C9753|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|joest: 3@c = puppet stayman asking for a five card major|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if West rebids 1@s, will North take some action?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  passed in the other room - seems a but wet with a 4-loser hand|pg||
mb|2H|nt|yorkbeach:  bit wet|pg||
mb|d|nt|yorkbeach:  different problem...|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  South is enjoying this :)|pg||
nt|athene: 2@S perhaps from south|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  North is unlikley to have 5@s|pg||
mb|2S|nt|joest: now all Berk has to do is duck the jack of spades lead!|pg||
mb|p|nt|wygbe1: 3n rates to go down on spade lead, unless w makes amazing duck of first trick|pg||
nt|joest: btw ducking is nuts|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  but no certainty of having 5@c|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: cash the @CK first, i guess, as you can only pick up 4-0 with south|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  North knows South is either very weak or has only 3@s because South had the chance to bid 1@s over 1@h|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  defenders know too :)|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|dA|nt|joest: so this looks to be a push at -50|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
pc|d3|nt|joest: note the spade jack as suit preference |pg||
pc|d9|pc|dT|nt|swanson: This would not be a good time for 'coded' leads where jack is top.  Declarer would find the winning duck.|pg||
pc|s7|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  definite chances here|pg||
pc|sK|nt|joest: yes last set another hand came up which showed that convention in a poor light|pg||
nt|wygbe1: very true|pg||
nt|joest: one of many examples I'm afraid|pg||
nt|joest: so Berk has to hope the @HA is in the right hand|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s2|nt|ady: not a pleasant hand to play|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
nt|kit: or South having Kx of clubs -- much less likely|pg||
nt|joest: this is halfway through the final set so the players might be taking a breather|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: little break time for the players|pg||
pc|h4|nt|yorkbeach:  one sure entry to hand with the @hK and another possible entry by ruffing a good heart - how best to use them?|pg||
nt|athene: it's not so bad; you can fiddle around and if you go down, well it's only fifties|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  probably going to take club finesse|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  but not quite yet...|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg||
pc|s8|pc|h6|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg||
pc|sT|pc|c2|pc|hJ|nt|ady: now knows of sing club with west|pg||
pc|d8|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hK|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  and is fairly sure it is the king - West does not have an opening bid without|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  certain now :)|pg||
mc|8|nt|ady: well done|pg||
pg||
qx|o25|st||md|3SK73HAQ932DCAQ653,S9654HK865DA532CT,SQT2HDT9876CK9842,SAJ8HJT74DKQJ4CJ7|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|2N|mb|3D|nt|kit: unusual 2NT for lower 2 unbid suits -- finds a great club fit on this hand|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: But will it make?  8 club tricks, 1 heart trick, 1 spade trick for sure.  But is there  11?|pg||
pc|dK|pc|c3|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg||
nt|kit: Perhaps he can set up the long heart -- but he didn't start that way|pg||
nt|kit: Instead, he is hoping to crossruff and take 9 trump tricks|pg||
nt|swanson: How about one spade, one heart and cross ruff?|pg||
pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|cT|nt|kit: Which looks like it will be successful|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|c4|pc|h4|pg||
nt|swanson: East has to follow to everything - no overruff available.|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|c5|pc|d2|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|s2|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|c8|pc|h7|pg||
pc|sT|nt|kit: declarer from his point of view will have to guess whether to ruff spade or heart next, but both succeed.|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|c9|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|c6|pc|d3|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|d9|pc|hT|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c25|st||md|3SK73HAQ932DCAQ653,S9654HK865DA532CT,SQT2HDT9876CK9842,SAJ8HJT74DKQJ4CJ7|sv|e|nt|athene: chances of a diamond-diamond squeeze for the 11th trick are a bit remote :) time to claim|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: bye all   |pg||
mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|joest: Meckwell opened 2@c Precision at the other table which permitted them to compete to 4@c|pg||
nt|joest: Berk has an amazingly good hand for all this bidding|pg||
nt|swanson: Berkowitz is asking everybody to check the backs of the cards at this point.|pg||
nt|joest: cards lie very favorably for east-west|pg||
nt|kit: Cohler is lighter than Berk will be playing him for -- by quite a bit.|pg||
nt|athene: a very offensively-oriented double in the other room backfired|pg||
mb|d|nt|kit: Problem with that sort of overcall is always the third opponent|pg||
nt|swanson: 1@C opening looks fine to me, but I don't see any merit in a 1@D overcall.|pg||
nt|joest: of course if they roll 600 he'll forgive him|pg||
nt|athene: if you are going to double on hands like that it means partner can never ever pass them|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: this is a common misunderstanding|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  the pace may be slow but at least the systems are not too complicated|pg||
mb|1N|nt|joest: but four looks the limit|pg||
nt|athene: it's not enough to know a double is "takeout"|pg||
nt|roswolf: great result for schwartz in the other room|pg||
nt|athene: you have to know "HOW takeout-ish?"|pg||
nt|athene: in other words how often is partner allowed to pass it? is a decent 4-card trump holding enough?|pg||
mb|2C|mb|2D|nt|athene: 2@H from north now|pg||
nt|athene: and he has shown his hand quite nicely|pg||
mb|3C|mb|3D|nt|roswolf: that is obscure|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2@S|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Welcome to Sigurbjörn|pg||
nt|bessi2: hi all|pg||
nt|athene: south will try 3@S now, i think|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: N pulled pass card then changes to 2s|pg||
nt|athene: hi good afternoon|pg||
nt|roswolf: THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South overcalled 2NT at the other table to show 5-5 in @H and @c|pg||
mb|4C|nt|athene: south will try 3@S|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  simplifies the auction but makes it hard to find a 5-3 @s fit|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: has anyone ever cue bid with a hand as big as WEst's and NOT heard their partner sign off?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  you cannot do everything|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: Why not 3@C with the South hand after partner rebids clubs?|pg||
nt|athene: ok, he will try 4@S :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: because that would be invitational|pg||
nt|roswolf: another double|pg||
nt|bessi2: 2@s should be non-forcing but perhaps ns haven't played together much|pg||
nt|roswolf: well only 50's|pg||
nt|athene: 2@S definitely sounds non-forcing to me|pg||
nt|athene: north had lots of ways to force, didn't he?|pg||
nt|ady: trump lead in 5@C best   with only 2 tricks outside clubs  will need 9 trump tricks|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  EW @d fit should tell North that South is void|pg||
pc|dA|nt|joest: surely Berkowitz will hit him out|pg||
nt|joest: let him out|pg||
nt|bessi2: but.. his pd did freely bid 1@s and south has a very pretty hand|pg||
nt|athene: sure|pg||
pc|d6|nt|athene: even though he has shown his hand with 1NT, in a way|pg||
pc|d4|pc|c3|pg||
pc|h2|nt|kit: That third opponent will get you every time|pg||
nt|wygbe1: west having trouble envisioning red v white overcall that wont produce game|pg||
pc|h5|nt|joest: a pass would have been plus at both tables and a six imp gain|pg||
nt|athene: he still has a better hand for play in spades than he might have|pg||
pc|c2|nt|athene: that is why 3@S was perfectly justified|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
nt|athene: well, ok, 3@S was not ridiculous|pg||
nt|bessi2: I fell 3@s is about the value bid.. I think pass is too cautious|pg||
nt|athene: i think cayne should just have bid 2@S over 2@D, personally|pg||
nt|athene: if partner passes with 18 and 5 decent trumps and it makes +1....he has a right feel a bit miffed|pg||
nt|athene: of course Seamon never feels miffed :) but he has a right to there|pg||
nt|bessi2: agree.. that dbl was just asking for trouble|pg||
nt|bessi2: seems right to start @h's now|pg||
pc|s2|nt|yorkbeach:  chances for 12 tricks from here|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
pc|hA|nt|joest: once Cohler finds (needs) the spade ace onside he will certainly try to drop the @Hk offside|pg||
nt|joest: diamond to the king and a spade up is my best guess |pg||
pc|h6|pc|sT|pc|h7|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg||
pc|c7|nt|wygbe1: down 2 now, if s wins sp and leads d|pg||
nt|ady: trumps lead  and south can play a spade early from north hand  which east hast to duck  and the 11 tricks can be made on a cross ruff|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg||
nt|joest: north rates to be 4=2=1=6 so ace and a heart will let him out for d1|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  set up fifth heart - harder now after switching to spades|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dJ|nt|athene: time for the defensive crossruff to begin|pg||
pc|c6|pc|d2|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  back to 11|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|c4|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|cQ|pc|d3|pg||
pc|h3|nt|bessi2: no layout from Scwartz perspective that allows this contract to make at this point|pg||
pc|h8|pc|c8|pc|hT|pg||
mc|11|nt|ady: cayne closing the gap|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  looks like a disaster for NS in the OR on 26|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  2 aces missing and the @hK|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  and bidding a slam|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  surely not going to happene here|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: have to wait to find out all players out on a break|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  I shall bet NS stop in game|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
pg||
qx|o26|st||md|4SQ3HAJ87D93CKQJ95,SA9765HK62DQ5CAT6,SK42HQT954DAKT2C2,SJT8H3DJ8764C8743|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|swanson: 2@D must be a transfer.|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|nt|chorush: Im guessing 3NT is non serious slam try|pg||
nt|kit: N-S doing a lot of bidding here -- if somebody ventures higher than 4@H, they will regret it|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|nt|chorush: somebody ventured|pg||
nt|kit: and so it happened|pg||
mb|5D|mb|p|nt|swanson: It may be a 'switcheroo' where 2@D and 2@H are reversed.  The advantange of that treatment is that you can stop in 2@H with invitational hands.  Here Sementa would have bid over ...|pg||
nt|swanson: 2@H.|pg||
nt|kit: I would think that South had bid his all with the 3@H call|pg||
nt|kit: Generally, the partner who goes above 4 of the major should be the one with clear extra values|pg||
nt|chorush: well, it seems inconceivable that 3NT was a SERIOUS slam try given the 3H bid. Presumably, North was unlimitd but if 3NT was nonserious he had nothing to write home about|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I am sure Duboin expected @CA for Sementa's cuebid|pg||
mb|6H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Not a singleton|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: You think West might have taken exception to this contract?|pg||
nt|chorush: This is a bit embarassing. Not only off 2 aces but a finesse for the trump king as well|pg||
pc|sA|nt|Walddk2: Good to see for mere mortals, gives us hope|pg||
nt|swanson: I wouldn't even object to an initial jump to 4@H by South (assuming 2@D is at least invitational) but going above game without much in the way of controls is way too much.|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|chorush: 3NT is the bid that continues to puzzle me|pg||
pc|d3|nt|Walddk2: You need to be world class player to bid beyond 4@H here|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h3|mc|10|pg||
qx|c26|st||md|4SQ3HAJ87D93CKQJ95,SA9765HK62DQ5CAT6,SK42HQT954DAKT2C2,SJT8H3DJ8764C8743|sv|b|nt|athene: would have been 11 imps if NS had stopped in 3|pg||
mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|nt|athene: 4@H for EW|pg||
nt|ady: strange to get so overboard in OR|pg||
mb|2H|nt|athene: hard to get there, though, with only an 8-card fit, and combined 20 count|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzfg: shows 3 hearts|pg||
mb|3H|nt|joest: does double here show both majors or no majors?|pg||
nt|bessi2: Kranyak is doing a lot of bidding at the moment|pg||
nt|athene: now lauria might look more kindly on his @Sxxx|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: that was a fairly horrible holding initially, but if the opponents have a nine-card fit, and you think partner can handle the force...|pg||
nt|athene: wow|pg||
nt|roswolf: rehi computer crashed:(|pg||
nt|athene: as mentioned before, versace doesn't miss a whole lot of games|pg||
nt|athene: north and south both had good hands|pg||
nt|athene: just a matter of keycards|pg||
mb|3S|nt|bessi2: scwartz will surely bid 4s|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: dbl and an easy trump lead|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|nt|joest: great board a match result for n-s|pg||
nt|athene: trump lead is sort of auto here|pg||
mb|p|nt|wygbe1: i would think dbl by w would show both majors - maybe he bid 2h for the lead, expecting to be outbid|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: i remember in bridge magazine bidding panels, when Tony Forrester thought it was obvious to double, he would just put "i lead a trump" as his proposed bid :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: North's eyes sort of rolled from side to side at dummy|pg||
nt|ady: 5 level too high    the best hope for Cayne they get that high|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|athene: as wilde might have said - "to reach six missing two aces might be counted a misfortune; to reach six missing two aces and the king of trumps looks like overbidding"|pg||
pc|s3|nt|bessi2: I don't like to say it.. but I feel south got what he deserved with that 3@s bid|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s4|pg||
pc|d5|nt|joest: or if he played it there he wanted to play in the stronger trump suit|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|athene: i'm told NS are a fairly new partnership|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|athene: and on board 6, 9 and 10 here we see the same thing|pg||
nt|athene: both players getting aggressive on the same hand|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|nt|athene: and ending overboard|pg||
nt|athene: it suggests each is used to playing with a "sounder" partner|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dK|nt|swanson: Could one double with 4-2-2-5, planning to pull 2@H to 3@C?|pg||
nt|swanson: to 2@S I mean|pg||
nt|joest: i suppose.  When I do that it goes 3@d on my left and partner bids 3@h :)|pg||
nt|swanson: Then you have to bid 3@S.  Just have a few values for the double.|pg||
nt|swanson: It is never far wrong just to bid one's suit, however.|pg||
nt|joest: yes|pg||
nt|joest: when I 'expand' on a convention, bad things usually happen|pg||
nt|joest: and my partner's first words: "what was double"? |pg||
nt|swanson: I've heard that a few times.|pg||
nt|roswolf: yes their styles dont seem to mesh|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d9|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h3|nt|bessi2: I don't think north's 4@s was aggressive at all..|pg||
pc|h7|nt|roswolf: this will be very expensive|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o27|st||md|1ST876HDAQJ73CKJ32,SQ532HAKQ73D8CT74,SAK4H9854DK952C86,SJ9HJT62DT64CAQ95|sv|o|nt|kit: probably right to bang ace of hearts and hope for stiff king offside -- hope to push board with 5@H down 1 in other room|pg||
mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|3C|an|limit raise in diamonds|mb|3H|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|swanson: I wonder if Duboin can find a 5@D call here - don't think it can be defeated (2S, 2C, 5D, 2 ruffs in dummy).|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|chorush: well dame fortune is going to look with favor on thisone|pg||
nt|kit: this is pretty optimistic bid -- but with both club honors on, it might make|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hT|nt|chorush: let's not forget the J9 doubleton of spades|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|kit: I don't think it will quite handle -- problem is you have to get to dummy twice for those 2 club leads|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s7|nt|kit: East definitely should have ducked|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sK|pg||
nt|swanson: With an extra spade winner now he doesn't have to take the club finesse.|pg||
nt|chorush: now looks like club to K, ruff club, diamond to hand, ruff club high, draw trumps, concede spade|pg||
nt|swanson: South is considering if he can make versus 4-0 diamonds.|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg||
pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|d2|pc|c9|pg||
nt|kit: surprised he didn't ruff with 9 of diamonds there, just in case|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c27|st||md|1ST876HDAQJ73CKJ32,SQ532HAKQ73D8CT74,SAK4H9854DK952C86,SJ9HJT62DT64CAQ95|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  absolutely :)|pg||
mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|2D|nt|yorkbeach:  plenty of minor suit contracts this set|pg||
mb|2H|nt|athene: north in the other room treated his hand as a limit raise in diamonds (i assume that is what 3@C was anyway)|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  not obvious to reach game|pg||
nt|athene: 2@D looks a bit wet to me|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|athene: ok looks as though NS play some sort of two-way club|pg||
nt|roswolf: all roads lead to 3nt|pg||
mb|3S|nt|swanson: It might be tempting for East to make an agressive game try here.  Won't work out well.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  and to me|pg||
nt|athene: north might try 3@S now|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  trying to catch up now...|pg||
nt|athene: now he knows his partner probably has a singleton in hearts at most|pg||
nt|ady: club honors lay well for n/s   loos like they may play part score|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: it is an interesting sign of the times that partners open all 11 counts but responders keep right on making game tries with hands like east's. Everybody likes to bid :)|pg||
nt|athene: 1@C = min bal or any strong i guess|pg||
nt|athene: they might be in a 30-point-pack|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  hard for South to envisage 11 tricks facing a single raise|pg||
nt|ady: initial 2@D raise conservative|pg||
nt|athene: south will now be wondering if his partner could possibly have four spades|pg||
nt|athene: if he does, 4@S will be the spot|pg||
nt|athene: if he doesn't, it really won't, as the wrong hand is getting forced|pg||
nt|athene: playing a 4-3 fit you want the 3-card trump holding to take the force|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if diamonds were 2-2, you might make 5@d with just one club honor right (so long as you guess well)|pg||
mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: it all comes down to that initial evaluation from north|pg||
nt|athene: when he showed a good 3@D bid, south took the plunge|pg||
pc|hA|nt|joest: if Boyd leads a club this will be over before Cohler gets started|pg||
pc|h4|nt|swanson: South does need to lead a club, however.|pg||
nt|athene: when he shows "merely" a good 2@D bid, even though that is only a whisker less...it's enough to dissuade his partner|pg||
pc|h6|nt|athene: cash the @HAJ and knock out the @DA for at least ten tricks i suppose|pg||
nt|ady: seems a decent raise to 3 level  ie 2@S  first round|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|ady: sorry  2@H|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in the OR, when South took the plunge, I do not think North had to have nothing wasted in hearts|pg||
nt|athene: this sort of illustrates meckstroth's maxim|pg||
nt|athene: always early in the auction|pg||
nt|athene: if you have to choose between underbidding slightly and overbidding|pg||
nt|athene: overbid!|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  still at least they were consistent - if you bid a slam on 26, you can hardly bid less than game here|pg||
nt|athene: you can't catch up if you don't|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|nt|joest: is this the right major suit 7 that Cohler led?|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|athene: lots of books, bridge teachers, scholarly articles, etc say you should underbid rather than overbid|pg||
nt|athene: as "it is easy to catch up later"|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg||
nt|athene: they are wrong and meckstroth is right|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  it depends upon whether your bid is likely to end the auction|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  no good planning to catch up later if your bid is liable to end the auction|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|wygbe1: might find club shift now|pg||
pc|c8|nt|swanson: A bit of a ping-pong match here.|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: its called table tennis not ping pong btw|pg||
pc|cA|nt|swanson: Seems like the only possibility for three more tricks.|pg||
nt|joest: Spector will be winning 1 or losing 4|pg||
nt|swanson: Depends on whether a small white ball is involved, maybe.|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c7|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg||
nt|athene: yes, that is a factor|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  I am a believer in getting one's hand off one's chest|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|dT|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o28|st||md|2S875HQ84DKT87CT72,SJ6HDQJ952CAKQ984,SAK943HA653D64CJ3,SQT2HKJT972DA3C65|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|2C|an|5-4 in the majors|nt|Walddk2: East's hand died there|pg||
mb|p|mb|2D|an|equal in majors|nt|Walddk2: 2@D equal length in the majors|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I am sure it was alerted|pg||
mb|4D|nt|chorush: Ginossar has some choices now|pg||
mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|othered1: solo to the 5-level?|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|nt|swanson: 1@S would be plenty for me at this vulnerability.  |pg||
pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|c9|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cK|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|cT|pg||
nt|swanson: THe 2@C bid may well guide West to a winning line.  Establish a spade, the @DA, diamond to 9.|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|d2|pg||
nt|swanson: Sorry, that is 3 losers ...|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d8|nt|chorush: well it is a relatively winning line. the best he cando|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d6|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c28|st||md|2S875HQ84DKT87CT72,SJ6HDQJ952CAKQ984,SAK943HA653D64CJ3,SQT2HKJT972DA3C65|sv|n|nt|wygbe1: they found it on the third opportunity|pg||
nt|joest: i would say +600 is a fine result here|pg||
nt|athene: is there a break for dinner after this set?|pg||
mb|1C|nt|yorkbeach:  if there is time :)|pg||
mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|bessi2: 6@d makes.. but not a slam you want to be in|pg||
mb|2S|mb|3D|nt|ady: ambitious 5@C   did well to get out down 1|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  agree with North's overcall here|pg||
mb|3H|nt|kit: Here puppet will conceal North's 4-card heart holding|pg||
nt|joest: I'msure Rodwell played it well but it seems he might have received a helping hand|pg||
nt|kit: So likely to get heart lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: East will know declarer has four hearts and South four spade by the time this is over and will avoid a major suit lead.|pg||
nt|kit: yes Jack, a mis-discard at the end|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  will be hard to apply the breaks now West has reversed|pg||
nt|ady: can keep out of game on this auction|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  how?|pg||
nt|athene: was that a typo for "can't"? :)|pg||
nt|ady: would 4@C be absolutely forcing|pg||
nt|ady: if 3@D is forcing to game  best just to rebid 3@C  especially with partner bidding hearts|pg||
mb|4C|nt|athene: 2@S showing values i guess, suggesting to partner that notrumps will be wrong if he has a singleton club|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  leaves room for partner to bid 3@d|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: no, North's heart holding concealed|pg||
nt|joest: well this will be ahuge pick up just when Spector needed it|pg||
nt|athene: i would never pass 4@C with east on this auction|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bessi2: I don't like that 3N bid very much.. why not 3@c|pg||
nt|ady: because you would expect more from opener?|pg||
nt|athene: well just because i would never be sure it was non forcing|pg||
mb|p|pc|sK|pc|s2|nt|joest: Robinson's heart suit concealed off this puppet auction|pg||
nt|joest: Berk will discourage|pg||
pc|s5|nt|kit: Means declarer will get the heart suit right eventually, but still only 8 tricks unless a misdefense|pg||
nt|ady: then best for west to supress 2nd suit when the auction has taken a bad turn|pg||
pc|s6|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  at matchpoints you might  take view but not in an important match|pg||
nt|athene: yes, 3@C over 2@S was an option|pg||
nt|athene: it's difficult; partner might of course pass 3@C with something horrible like 5-5 in the reds|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  North should have a count on the spade suit|pg||
pc|c3|nt|joest: looks like upside down discouragement|pg||
nt|swanson: Wouldn't the 7 (instead of the 6) be a bit easier for East to read?|pg||
nt|joest: agreed|pg||
nt|kit: a lot easier John -- I don't think the 6 is readable|pg||
nt|kit: Note that Robinson played the 4, giving his own encouraging signal|pg||
nt|joest: on the general theory that declarer must adopt the defender's signalling methods|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cT|nt|kit: If Cohler does continue hearts, I think Robinson will have very good chances|pg||
nt|joest: the demonstrably correct theory|pg||
nt|athene: but with a lot of those hands partner was doubling 1@S rather than bidding 2@H|pg||
pc|cQ|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  could be -2|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sJ|nt|kit: Just what will Berk discard on 4 rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|swanson: A good thing to remember is that, as declarer, you want to use the same signals the opponents use: low if you want LHO to continue, high to discourage.|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sT|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer guessed the diamonds well in the OR to escape for -1|pg||
pc|hA|nt|kit: Unfortunately Robinson chose to attack diamonds first -- now defense will be a lot easier|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|c4|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c6|mc|10|pg||
qx|o29|st||md|3SQ976H74DJ653CAJ5,SJ5HKQT93DQ9CQ962,SA832HAJ2DK7CT843,SKT4H865DAT842CK7|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|swanson: Let's pass this one out and get on to the next hand.|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|an|limit raise with 3 hearts|nt|chorush: wonder why no 1 spade? by Duboin?|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|swanson: And what is 2@C?  A strong heart raise?  These guys are confusing me.|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|nt|swanson: Could it have been Dubion who bid 1@D instead of East?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nope|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d9|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg||
nt|swanson: These four players are managing to make every board interesting - whether I want to pass it out or not.|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|s6|pc|h9|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|d2|pg||
pc|cT|pc|d4|pc|s9|pc|c9|pg||
nt|Walddk2: N-S almost making 3@H|pg||
nt|swanson: North has to hold the @SA for the opening bid.  But the misguess was only an extra 100.|pg||
mc|5|pg||
qx|c29|st||md|3SQ976H74DJ653CAJ5,SJ5HKQT93DQ9CQ962,SA832HAJ2DK7CT843,SKT4H865DAT842CK7|sv|b|nt|kit: what really happened at the end?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: huh?|pg||
nt|joest: what?|pg||
nt|joest: operator did Robinson endplay Berkowitz?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: west must have stiffed the diamond|pg||
nt|athene: 2@C a bit of an underbid here|pg||
mb|1C|nt|athene: 3@C would get them to 3nt|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  someone useful looking results coming up for NS in the OR|pg||
nt|ady: 20-20  here   if Cayne can keep out of trouble can have a pick up here|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  chance for Cayne to get a few IMPs back|pg||
nt|athene: somewhat peculiar decision from south in the other room to pass over the 1@D overcall|pg||
mb|1S|nt|joest: whatever happened, that was a big chance that got away|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: indeed.. 2@c would not be an option for me.. 2N or 3@c both look ok to me|pg||
nt|athene: it's interesting how you should play these clubs|pg||
mb|2S|nt|athene: bash from the top gains against QJ, Q9  or J9 falling|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: but finesse the 10 first is possible|pg||
nt|bessi2: depends on where you win the first trick perhaps.. if a small @d lead to the 7 then you don't really want to cross to dummy for that play|pg||
nt|athene: can't he bid his spades or something|pg||
nt|ady: 4 down in 3@H seems a lot|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  yes bidding 1@s seems normal|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h2|nt|athene: if you have the @C9|pg||
pc|h5|nt|bessi2: hmmm.. a mute point since clearly 3N will be played from the south side :)|pg||
nt|roswolf: well this looks gin on that lead|pg||
nt|athene: if you have the @C9 then you bash them from the top|pg||
nt|athene: gaining against 3-3 or Qx or Jx|pg||
nt|athene: or singleton honour if you have the 8 as well|pg||
nt|roswolf: on this lead you can set up the hearts|pg||
nt|roswolf: a good swing likely for schwartz|pg||
nt|athene: an interesting hand - my guess is he will just bash out three rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|athene: a spec suggests he might go for 3 diamonds and 3 spades|pg||
nt|athene: but the diamonds are a bit blocked|pg||
nt|athene: sure he can lose one and then finesse against the honour-8|pg||
nt|athene: but he is short of entries to hand|pg||
nt|bessi2: indeed.. it the 6 and 7 of @d were reversed that would work|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
pc|hT|nt|joest: the third and final no trump|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|roswolf: 3@H +3@s+2@C+1@D IF YOU PLAY ON HEARTS FIRST|pg||
pc|h6|nt|joest: i'm getting a lot of questions about what happened at the end onthelast hand.  Operator can you clear it up by any chance?|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Sementa led a low @d from Kx and declarer guessed everything wrong|pg||
pc|c3|pc|cK|nt|bessi2: Kranyak had thought for some time.. certainly about the club play we have been discussing|pg||
nt|roswolf: going for the clubs|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cJ|nt|joest: Sorry folks.  I haven't been successful in finding out what happened|pg||
pc|cQ|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  2@s might be going down now|pg||
nt|ady: down now|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  give East a @c ruff|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  West can cash the @sK and exit safely with a @h|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  East rather can cash the @sK and exit with a @h|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  after making the club ruff|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|d7|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer needs to play a trump from hand or both defenders get a ruff|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|s2|mc|8|pg||
qx|o30|st||md|4SJTHAK64DA87CKQ86,S9753HT983D3C7543,SK8642HJ5DKT52CT2,SAQHQ72DQJ964CAJ9|sv|o|nt|chorush: I suspect Ginossar will replay this hand a couple of times this evening|pg||
nt|swanson: I would work on the bidding first.|pg||
mb|1N|mb|d|mb|2C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|r|mb|p|nt|swanson: I think we are going to see 2@H doubled here.|pg||
nt|chorush: I believe they are using so-called 2-3 doubles, where double shows 2 or 3 cards in the suit and pass shows 1 or 4. Garozzo developed that idea quite a while ago|pg||
mb|2D|nt|Walddk2: N-S in the other room managed to stay short of slam on 26|pg||
mb|d|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|swanson: I think it was East who bid 2@D, not North.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: This is my favorite auction|pg||
pc|h5|nt|Vugraphzfd: i passed an sos redbl once.... hahaha|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hA|nt|Walddk2: There is a first, and last, time for everything|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg||
nt|swanson: Looks like two hearts, two spades and a club for declarer.|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|s6|pc|h7|pg||
pc|hT|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|h6|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg||
nt|swanson: South might get endplayed for another one.|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|chorush: seems hard to me to keep the long diamond from scoring a sixth trick|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|c3|pc|dT|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|dK|pg||
pc|sK|pc|d9|pc|c6|nt|chorush: i dont think so|pg||
mc|5|pg||
qx|c30|st||md|4SJTHAK64DA87CKQ86,S9753HT983D3C7543,SK8642HJ5DKT52CT2,SAQHQ72DQJ964CAJ9|sv|o|nt|roswolf: a good gain|pg||
nt|bessi2: Schwartz superior judgment with that 3@c bid earned his side 10 imps|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  7 IMPs back|pg||
nt|ady: still the gap closed|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  another chance for Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: west should surely have redoubled 2@D in the other room rather than bidding 2@H|pg||
mb|1N|nt|bessi2: or at least his judgment was superior result wise|pg||
nt|athene: firstly he has equal length majors|pg||
nt|athene: secondly it will be worth a bit for east to be declarer|pg||
mb|2C|nt|athene: both to conceal the strength and to have the lead run up to the stronger hand|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: hmmm, 5@C might be preferable to 4@H here|pg||
nt|ady: e/w out  of trouble|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  many pairs do not have a penalty X of a strong 1NT available|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: what was 2@C|pg||
mb|2D|nt|joest: it would be nice if 3@c were forcing opposite a passed hand but i don't think it is|pg||
nt|joest: that leaves the 'agricultural' 3NT call i guess|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: on board 60 it was a correct claim of 3nt making|pg||
nt|athene: 4@H needs hearts 3-3 onside|pg||
nt|athene: 5@C might make even on 4-2 hearts, as long as the king is right|pg||
nt|roswolf: i like 5@C|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  assume @c and another|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: we believe you operator.  WE just don't know how|pg||
nt|wygbe1: 3n by east down on h lead, but 3n by west should make|pg||
nt|joest: b/c hearts block|pg||
nt|kit: big chance for swing here -- 5@C cold, as is 3NT by West|pg||
nt|joest: maybe 3@c should be forcing |pg||
nt|joest: this hand would talk me into it|pg||
nt|wygbe1: they could try 6c, down |pg||
nt|athene: even on a bad break you have extra chances, like @DQx or a red squeeze|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  DONT?|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: north passed assuming it was clubs and hearts|pg||
nt|athene: i guess|pg||
nt|athene: it could have been meckwell i.e. clubs and a major|pg||
nt|ady: is there not a rule with a limited hand  not to bid again opposite a passing partner?|pg||
pc|hA|nt|kit: that is also possible|pg||
nt|roswolf: HMMM another lapse by the normally impeccable italians|pg||
pc|h3|nt|kit: wrong-sided now|pg||
nt|wygbe1: uh oh, wrongsided nt|pg||
nt|kit: And I would expect Boyd to choose his stronger suit to lead|pg||
nt|joest: of course 3@c now is forcing but it suggests spade shortness.  Berkowitz with an impossible bidding problem in standard (imho)|pg||
nt|kit: unless 2@H was real|pg||
nt|swanson: Tough for South to find a heart lead, expecting four hearts at his left.|pg||
nt|athene: yuck to 3@S in both rooms|pg||
nt|roswolf: south may kick himself|pg||
pc|h5|nt|athene: 4333 hands are unspeakably evil|pg||
nt|athene: a spec suggests that perhaps it was west who bid 2@D|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
nt|athene: west who bid 2@C, sorry|pg||
pc|cK|nt|athene: the best u will attain with 3@S is to go -100 in 3@S two off vs -130 defending clubs|pg||
nt|athene: to gain 1 imp|pg||
pc|c3|nt|yorkbeach:  yes but love all is a good time for competing the partscore|pg||
nt|athene: and decided to pass 2@D before the opponents woke up and brought out the axe|pg||
pc|cT|nt|joest: berkowitz hopes his 2@h call at least served to ward off a heart lead|pg||
nt|joest: and it did|pg||
nt|kit: LC says natural, so will lead spade|pg||
nt|kit: and match is very close again with 2 more boards -- and 63 won't be dull|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
nt|athene: the worst - well let's not think about it|pg||
nt|roswolf: south has had too much red meat|pg||
nt|bessi2: not sure I would call it a lapse.. VERY difficult to bid|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|roswolf: survived here|pg||
pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  we will find out in a minute I hope if the bidding is wrong|pg||
pc|c2|nt|swanson: This hand is a demostration of how difficult it is to 'settle' for minor suit games when 3NT is a possibility.|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|joest: it's easier at imps b/c you don't get punished for being in five of a minor instead of 3NT if they bothmake|pg||
nt|joest: in a bidding contest, 5@c is the top spot here|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg||
nt|ady: 2@C does seems strange from south|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  we have confirmation that the bidding is correct|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|d2|pc|c9|pg||
nt|bessi2: the bidding progressed in the same manner in the open room until that 4@c bid where proojinen bid 4@h, probably because their 1@h opening is often only 4 cards I beliee|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c7|pc|s2|nt|roswolf: hmm north cant believe south has 4 card support and passed over 2@S|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
nt|athene: well east could see the 5-2 fit might be ok if his pd has two spades and a doubleton heart honour|pg||
nt|athene: if they play std count south has to have four? wouldn't raise on two would he|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2 BDS LEFT AND SCHEDULED RESTART IS IN 15 MINS|pg||
nt|roswolf: any problem bruce?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: Kranyak left table gone for more red meat:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  both sides were applying the principle that nobody is vulnerable you should bid... because if you go down you go dwon in 50s|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|yorkbeach:  when nobody is vulnerable|pg||
pc|dA|nt|ady: assuming undoubled|pg||
pc|s3|pc|d5|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  :)|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|dT|pc|h2|pg||
mc|6|pg||
qx|o31|st||md|1SK642HJDAJ742CJ62,SAJTHKQ52DKQT853C,S53H8763D9CAKQ754,SQ987HAT94D6CT983|sv|n|nt|chorush: none of that made sense. Either the play was entirely different from what it shouldhave been or the score was -300|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: I apologized i mess up the declaring and the defence|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: they turned there card pretty fast|pg||
nt|swanson: Schwartz is 22 up on the scoreboard right now, but after the last four boards are compared, then will be a different leader.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Beginners and Intermediates Lounge|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: i dont think the n discarded his dia|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hA|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d2|nt|othered1: NS like to lead trumps|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg||
pc|d3|nt|chorush: Board 16 in the first quarter has some questions about it. It is shown a push but Schwartz may have won 12 on it|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: sorry not the bidding|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h4|pc|d4|pg||
nt|swanson: I would overcall 2@C on the North hand.  Partner will expect more, but he is passed and shouldn't get us inot too much trouble.  I like to bid my good suits.|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg||
pc|d5|pc|s5|pc|h9|pc|d7|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|s6|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|c3|pc|sK|pg||
pc|d8|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|c2|pc|h5|mc|9|pg||
qx|c31|st||md|1SK642HJDAJ742CJ62,SAJTHKQ52DKQT853C,S53H8763D9CAKQ754,SQ987HAT94D6CT983|sv|n|nt|joest: a 'fantastic finish' as they used to say|pg||
nt|roswolf: lol|pg||
nt|ady: -100   a bargain|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  match all square|pg||
nt|ady: now level|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  could be exciting for those of you able to stay|pg||
mb|1D|nt|joest: Meckwell have arrived in 6@h on these cards at the other table|pg||
nt|roswolf: very competitive in the other room|pg||
nt|athene: 4@S is not such a bad contract for NS, is it?|pg||
nt|athene: especially vulnerable|pg||
nt|bessi2: it is decent... 2 finesses, not to mention the very live possibility of a @d lead from the K|pg||
mb|3C|mb|p|nt|athene: yes, diamond lead from the king is quite possible|pg||
nt|Walddk4: You only have to wait 2 hours|pg||
nt|athene: sementa had to pass in the other room because 2@C overcall would have been 5-4 majors?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: And you can't even be certain that they will continue with this match|pg||
nt|athene: there is no end to the indignities the club suit has to endure these days :(|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  another solid looking result for Cayne in the OR|pg||
mb|3D|nt|kit: good 6@H contract here, reached in other room|pg||
mb|d|nt|yorkbeach:  are they as slow having dinner as they are playing?|pg||
nt|athene: now east might cue to get to 4 of a major|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Danger is getting too high -- they will certainly be in the slam|pg||
nt|wygbe1: seems they should reach it after this start|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: a good hand for 'serious 3NT"|pg||
nt|roswolf: well depending on the style of vul weak 2's i think 4@S is automatic here|pg||
nt|bessi2: I would just bid 4@s directly with the north hand.. |pg||
nt|roswolf: so would i|pg||
mb|3S|nt|kit: Of course, 7@H can make -- and maybe it would out of desparation|pg||
nt|joest: playing that Boyd must cue bid a diamond control no matter how bad his hand|pg||
nt|wygbe1: if n bids blackwood, will find out no diam king|pg||
nt|kit: 4@D is not a diamond control -- it is a last train sort of bid|pg||
nt|athene: the trouble with passing now is, what do you do when south bids 4@C?|pg||
nt|athene: maybe seamon is intending to double and defend|pg||
nt|athene: in view of his singleton diamond, and the vulnerability|pg||
mb|4C|nt|swanson: An improbable spade lead would make 6@H difficult for declarer.|pg||
nt|athene: this won't work out well|pg||
nt|athene: now the @SK gets exposed|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: when versace can't overruff|pg||
nt|bessi2: lol.. versace will drop his pd's K of @s|pg||
mb|4H|nt|kit: 4@S is RKC|pg||
nt|joest: ic|pg||
nt|athene: wow, hasn't cayne just bid his hand a lot of times?|pg||
mb|5C|nt|joest: not showing the void|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  6@c + 1@d + 1 ruff = 800 in 4@c doubled if my counting is right|pg||
nt|athene: i suppose he assumes from the NS bidding that his partner has a fit somewhere and some values|pg||
nt|ady: I am sure this will be dbled|pg||
nt|athene: but can't his partner bid his own hand?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  crazy to bid 5@h on a 4-4 fit|pg||
mb|5H|nt|athene: :(|pg||
mb|d|nt|yorkbeach:  I wonder whether Larry Cohen is watching. |pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: of course declarer might just throw his diamond loser on the third club|pg||
nt|athene: and play for both kings onside|pg||
mb|p|nt|roswolf: if clubs continued declarer might well divine the trump position|pg||
nt|athene: cayne bids his hand AGAIN|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Who said the 5-level belongs to the opponents? Ed Manfield and Ron Klinger, and they were absolutely right|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  A 9-card fit one way and a 8-card fit the other does not saye both sides |pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  should be bidding at the five level|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  say|pg||
mb|p|pc|c2|nt|athene: but the failure to play the third club is itself suspicious|pg||
nt|athene: ok, so let's say double of 3@D just showed good diamonds, fine|pg||
pc|h2|nt|wygbe1: well done|pg||
nt|joest: a trump start seems best|pg||
nt|wygbe1: diam lead will probly speed up the play|pg||
nt|roswolf: indeed|pg||
pc|c5|nt|kit: best lead -- now declarer has problems|pg||
nt|kit: far from clear how this hand should be played|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson has to make it now to keep the lead|pg||
nt|swanson: Declarer counts 5 hearts, 1 spade, 2 clubs, 2 diamonds - needs another two tricks.|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|athene: of course, west can also NOT overruff the third club with @SKxx, as a nice grosvenor|pg||
nt|athene: now 4@C says "i have 4-4-6-0 and a great hand"|pg||
pc|dK|nt|bessi2: now he can play the club throw the diamond and be sure |pg||
pc|d9|nt|roswolf: now obvious:)|pg||
nt|athene: now if declarer hooks hearts first|pg||
nt|athene: he might decide that west would have bid with all he has AND the @SK|pg||
nt|athene: like a 2nt overcall|pg||
nt|roswolf: good point|pg||
pc|d6|nt|athene: fine|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|athene: so where did he find 5@H?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  has anyone worked out how many IMPs West's 5@h has blown?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: 14 or 15|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  was 800 on offer in 5@c X?|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hK|nt|swanson: Maybe ruff a club and lead a low diamond?|pg||
nt|athene: oh well, it's all a bit irrelevant in 3|pg||
pc|h3|nt|bessi2: still worth 2 imps for Schwartz|pg||
nt|roswolf: yup|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  might get out for -1 and hold the loss to 2 IMPs but a big missed opportunity|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  needs to play a diamond|pg||
nt|stc: on @d N discards @s|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|h6|nt|kit: at other table, won heart, club ruff, drew trumps, diamond finesse.  Now spade back would have beaten them, but wasn't found|pg||
nt|kit: Play is going same way here|pg||
pc|h9|nt|joest: looks like the match might well be in Berkowitz's hands in  just a few seconds|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  spade finesse good|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  tricky play now of a high diamond needed|pg||
pc|dT|nt|Walddk4: Seamon has played this very well, but he is no magician|pg||
pc|s5|nt|kit: and here we are -- same as other table|pg||
nt|joest: indeed|pg||
pc|cT|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|h5|nt|joest: great play|pg||
nt|kit: and Berk got it right|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c9|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|hA|nt|yorkbeach:  yes frustrating if he makes a trick more than in the other room but still loses on the board|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
pc|hT|pc|s4|pc|d3|pc|h8|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sK|nt|Walddk4: no no|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  did South really do that?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: he did not play the king|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o32|st||md|2SAK72HA87DACQJT86,SJ63HT92DQ9743C92,SQ985HJ6DKJT65C74,ST4HKQ543D82CAK53|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|chorush: Looks like a reasonable (and making) 4 spade contract for NS|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Last board of the set|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Many thanks to Asya, great operating!|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: and to our excellent commentators, John, Ira, Kit and Ed|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: thank you sorry for the mistakes|pg||
mb|2H|nt|chorush: Thanx Asya|pg||
mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|swanson: South does not have a really descriptive call over 1@H.  He was simply too strong to pass or bid 2@C.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: scores get posted on   http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg||
pc|hK|nt|Walddk2: Our gratitude to the ACBL for letting us broadcast from this prestigious event. Jan Martel has been instrumental in training the operators and setting up a fine show, greatly ...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: appreciated by bridge fans worldwide|pg||
nt|chorush: Thanks to the spectators and the other commentators. Play will resume in a little over 2 hours. Starting today, the 3rd session begins half an hour later than it had previously due ...|pg||
nt|chorush: to the use of screens, which slow the play.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Second half starting in approximately 1 hour and 40 minutes|pg||
nt|swanson: Declarer would like to be able to guard against 4-1 trumps here but whatever line that is would risk going set against 3-2.|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Correction: restart in 2 hours and 5 minutes|pg||
nt|swanson: I expected him to win that and pull 3 rounds of spades.  Now the @CK and another club could (with some 3-2 splits) result in an uppercut.|pg||
nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16  for scores after 2 quarters in a little while. Be patient, the server can't take too many hits at a time|pg||
nt|swanson: The point is, I don't see any reason to duck the heart.|pg||
pc|h4|nt|swanson: That being said, I am not prepared to take on Sementa in a par playing contest.|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|c7|pc|h3|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|s5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|cT|pc|d4|pg||
pc|dT|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|d7|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|d9|pc|s8|pc|c5|pg||
mc|11|nt|Walddk2: Thanks all and bye for now|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: he ruffed the cl|pg||
nt|swanson: Thanks all.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: i think|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: haha|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: there was a claim |pg||
nt|othered1: Thanks everyone and bye|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: and they had to play it out|pg||
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qx|c32|st||md|2SAK72HA87DACQJT86,SJ63HT92DQ9743C92,SQ985HJ6DKJT65C74,ST4HKQ543D82CAK53|sv|e|nt|roswolf: We are now on the last board of the set. Thanks to our operator, Bruce Gowdy. Great Job! Our appreciation to the organisers, the ACBL (Jan Martel) for ensuring that this fine event ...|pg||
nt|roswolf: is brought to BBO vugraph. Thanks too to my very learned fellow commentators William, David and Sigurdbjorn for their company and perceptive comments. Also to our specs whose ...|pg||
nt|roswolf: contributions keep us on our toes.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  it would seem he did|pg||
nt|Walddk4: he did Bruce says|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: and that looks to be it|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: a great hand to end a great match on|pg||
nt|athene: sorry as a spec points out, even with the @SK west would not have a 2nt overcall but he might have a double|pg||
mb|1H|nt|roswolf: scheduled restart in 10 mins from now|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Slip of the mind. Kranyak had it a certain 1 down |pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  with 25 HCP and an 8-card @s fit NS should reach 4@s ... but stranger things have happened this set|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  like this 2@c overcall|pg||
nt|athene: north can't act over 2@C really|pg||
nt|athene: i am not a fan of the 2@C bid because it is just so likely to pre-empt your side out of spades or notrumps|pg||
pc|h2|nt|athene: weirdly, it can work out better to overcall very heavy at the 1-level as it's less likely to end things|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  indeed - prefer X or 1NT|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|athene: when the @H8 falls first round declarer has a guess which way to play for 4-1 trumps - he can pick either up|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|joest: even rolling this would not be good enough so congratulations to the Spector team|pg||
nt|joest: and thanks to all the players for a great match|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
nt|athene: e.g. after a 1@C opener you can overcall 1@D on almost anything as it never gets passed out|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  rattled perhaps by the previous board?|pg||
pc|s4|nt|joest: thanks operator|pg||
nt|ady: another swing for Cayne|pg||
pc|sA|nt|bessi2: good result for Schwartz in the open room.. 4@h seems like a very fragile contract|pg||
nt|athene: that is why the 8 is an obligatory falsecard from 108xx|pg||
pc|s3|nt|athene: not sure what the difference is between this and a simple 4@H from east over 1@H|pg||
nt|athene: i guess 2@C asks if versace has a good hand, 2@D says "no" so lauria settles for game|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  I have a simple rule that if the hand is too strong for a 1NT overcall, it is too strong for a suit overcall|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h6|nt|athene: lauria has played with versace for 20 years and versace has never had extras, but lauria is hopeful there will be a first time|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hT|nt|joest: thanks also to Kit, John and Jim|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h4|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: sry too fast N a little upset!|pg||
nt|Walddk4: What do you bid over 2@D if you double?|pg||
nt|ady: OR  same opening 1@H   but double from south|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  North is dummy|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: S I mean|pg||
mc|9|nt|yorkbeach:  3@c I guess|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  thanks everyone|pg||
nt|ady: thx all|pg||
nt|ady: bye|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  having a night off tomorrow - will see some of you on Saturday no doubt|pg||
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