vg|2011 SPINGOLD A QF,Segment 2 of 4,I,17,32,Bjarnarson,48,Monaco,38|
rs|4SW=,4SW=,1NW+1,1NE-1,4HW=,4HE=,4HE+1,5SW=,1NN+1,3CE-2,2DW=,2DW+1,1NS-2,2HNx-1,4HS-2,4NW=,1NS+1,1NS+1,4HS=,4HS=,3NS+2,3NS+3,3NE-2,3NE-2,3NS-1,3DN+1,1SN+2,4DS=,4SS+1,3NN=,2DN+1,2SN+3|
pn|Schaltz,Zimmermann,Madsen,Multon,Nunes,Bjarnarson,Fantoni,Askgaard|pg||
qx|o17|st||md|3S3H963D752CAKQ753,SAQJ754H5DQJT6CJ2,ST8HKQ87DA843CT84,SK962HAJT42DK9C96|sv|o|nt|Walddk2: Welcome to Warren Spector|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|nt|warrens:  hi all :)|pg||
nt|barnets: Hi|pg||
nt|jbgood: hi|pg||
mb|3C!|an|wide range|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jbgood: starting with a push|pg||
pc|c4|nt|barnets: a fast push|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Zimmermann asks if 4-8 shows a doubleton; Schaltz says 3|pg||
pc|d5|nt|jbgood: hi|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|dT|pg||
mc|10|nt|jbgood: (hm - i said that before, ....)|pg||
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qx|c17|st||md|3S3H963D752CAKQ753,SAQJ754H5DQJT6CJ2,ST8HKQ87DA843CT84,SK962HAJT42DK9C96|sv|o|nt|swanson: Hi all|pg||
nt|wygbe1: hi all|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: there is a problem because the Screen has no flap... :/|pg||
nt|kit: we get to start off with a nice dull grand slam which won't be so easy to bid I don't think.|pg||
nt|wygbe1: perfect fit|pg||
nt|ady: good afternoon all|pg||
nt|roswolf: hi all|pg||
nt|ady: hi Geoffrey|pg||
nt|athene: hi good evening everyone|pg||
nt|ady: e/w have 4@S|pg||
nt|ady: hi William|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: we're not ready to start quite yet|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: no boards|pg||
nt|othered1: Good evening, everybody, from drizzily central Pennsylvania, USA|pg||
nt|joest: hello all|pg||
nt|joest: + ed! :)|pg||
nt|joest: this is the second straight day that BBO has done a grea job guessing what match would be closest|pg||
nt|barnets: Hi all|pg||
nt|joest: hi barnet|pg||
nt|othered1: Hi, Barnet!|pg||
nt|joest: so here are in Toronto with an Israeli pair squaring off against an Italian one|pg||
nt|joest: here we are|pg||
nt|othered1: Same players as were in Open Room for the second quarter|pg||
nt|othered1: NS are likely to get to 2 or 3@S, after a 1N opening.|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: Sementa carefully considering his hand|pg||
nt|joest: wonder why|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: (just kidding, for those of you who just joined we're stuck without boards)|pg||
nt|othered1: Convention card for NS:  http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2010Ostend-european/OpenTeams/israel/ronpa-gino.pdf|pg||
nt|othered1: And for EW:  http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2010Ostend-european/OpenTeams/italy/duboin-sementa.pdf|pg||
nt|othered1: Hope they still reflect the actual methods used today|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: the margin should be 3|pg||
nt|barnets: Hi all|pg||
nt|warrens:  Hi Barnet|pg||
nt|barnets: Hi warren well done in the GNT|pg||
nt|warrens:  thanks :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW play a Big Club with weak NT [(11)12-14] throughout|pg||
nt|ady: n/s close to a game    but 3NT fails on a club lead|pg||
nt|henryb:  N-S play, I think, la longue d'abord, that is to say French Standard|pg||
nt|ady: sorry heart lead|pg||
nt|oleberg: Hi all, I'll mainly stick to desriping the EW system|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|nt|joest: this is quite the fitting hand for a grand slam|pg||
nt|joest: this hand is a case study in not jumping to 3@s after a transfer just because you have four|pg||
nt|henryb:  and E-W are cold for 4@h |pg||
nt|ady: meantime e/w have 4@H|pg||
mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: old CCs available only for both   NS from 2008 World Champs [Beijing]   EW from 2010 European Champs|pg||
mb|2S|nt|kit: key question is whether Robinson will bid 3@S or think his hand is stronger|pg||
nt|joest: it's on the borderline|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  we are starting this set about half an hour late|pg||
nt|athene: hi good evening everyone|pg||
nt|ady: 11 tricks likely|pg||
nt|ady: hi William|pg||
mb|3C|mb|4S|nt|timb: the 1=5 @C break would point the right way to play the @Ds|pg||
nt|joest: with spades 32 you don't need to guess diamonds|pg||
nt|kit: 4@H shows a balanced 4@S call|pg||
nt|timb: true, i'm a bit slow this laye at nihjt|pg||
nt|joest: just curious: 4@s is some 'playing strength' call?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  looks like 3@d = weak and natural|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Hello Julian, David and Bill|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  5@d could be a good save|pg||
nt|Walddk4: All British team of commentators|pg||
nt|athene: hi again everyone|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Hi Bill|pg||
nt|joest: admittedly even for 'law followers' there would be what they call 'negative adjustments' here|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: it happens to everybody Tim.  Just keep putting out those great books of yours and we'll all be happy|pg||
nt|kit: 4@S would be a distributrional thing of some kind|pg||
nt|timb: I was thinking 7NT|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: good day all|pg||
nt|barnets: So Dan says the score is only 3|pg||
nt|pelu: hi all|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other tables visible without login via http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php  or  http://www.bridgebase.com/mobile/|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: This is an unusual use for a double jump reverse.  The most frequent use is short hearts of some kind.|pg||
nt|athene: south, with nothing in diamonds, doesn't mind massively if his partner wants to bid on here|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  do not think South's pass is forcing here|pg||
nt|bagman: Hi all|pg||
pc|c8|nt|joest: 0 or 3|pg||
nt|kit: Boyd can see the keycards, but not the fillers|pg||
nt|athene: but that was rarely going to happen|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  faling to X will not be costly as looks like only 1 down|pg||
nt|othered1: good for NS that they don't superaccept a transfer with a minimum|pg||
pc|c6|nt|athene: this would be a harder choice if dummy had @CKxx|pg||
nt|Walddk4: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16  for 1st quarter scores (except one)|pg||
nt|athene: because giving declarer an extra club trick for a heart pitch from his hand might be fatal|pg||
nt|athene: but here, playing the ace is not likely to cost because  a pitch from dummy on @CQxx is going to be useless|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South should be thinking what can declarer usefully throw from dummy on the @cQ|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  as declarer cannot have @sKxx on the bidding, there wil be no useful discard|pg||
nt|athene: south just wondering if declarer might possibly have the bare @CQ|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  perhaps I should have phrased that differently after the previous set|pg||
nt|athene: i don'tt hink north can really have seven clubs but i suppose it's conceivable|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Kranyak-Schwartz do plenty of thinking without any encouragement :(|pg||
nt|joest: it would help Ginossar greatly to be able to see the opponent's cards to make this one|pg||
nt|joest: down 2 would not surprise me|pg||
pc|cK|nt|kit: Robinson has the fillers, but he isn't in charge|pg||
nt|joest: now does 6@d ask for third round control?|pg||
nt|athene: certainly the jump to 4@S as a passed hand tends to be a two-suiter|pg||
nt|warrens:  Pachtmann-Ginossar play transfers over 1@C, so 1@S here denies a 4-card major|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but different boards for the 2 matches|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
nt|athene: but not 5-7 :)|pg||
nt|ady: 5@C  down 2    north did the right thing and cheap undoubled|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Helgemo-Helness remembered to DBL|pg||
pc|cA|nt|kit: no 3rd round control stuff I don't think|pg||
nt|kit: Now Boyd might bid 6NT, which has to suggest the grand|pg||
nt|joest: that is dynamite I agree.  Even good pairs revert to cue bidding or other stuff|pg||
nt|joest: i think Sementa may play count signals here which will definitely not clear up the club jack story if i'm right|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: well, if they continue he has an elimination|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|barnets: overtricks how many|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: ok, we're going to restart hold on a sec|pg||
pc|cT|nt|kit: so laydown grand missed here -- and missed in other room also|pg||
nt|swanson: 6@S is no kings.  In the old days 6@C would show none and South could make a further try if he tought it was appropriate.|pg||
nt|timb: If there was a conventional agreement that 6@D over 5@C promise both minor suit kings...|pg||
nt|kit: 6@D would be offer to play I think|pg||
nt|timb: True but "if"|pg||
nt|joest: understood. Critical point for all partnerships.   In some I play it is an offer to play over a queen denial but not otherwise|pg||
nt|kit: Would have been better if North had been the RKC bidder.  He has the key queens, so he knows which kings are working.|pg||
nt|joest: right|pg||
nt|swanson: If your opponents bid a making grand against you with 33HCP, a 4-4 fit, and no singletons, you aren't having a good session.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South should have no problem cashing tw9o aces when in |pg||
pc|c9|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson's shape was known to be 4-4-3-2, not 5-4-2-2 by the way|pg||
nt|timb: In my partnerships, given he had bid 4NT, partner would have denied 4+ diamonds |pg||
nt|athene: you can play hearts here and hope they cash out wrong|pg||
nt|athene: i guess|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer has to have 1 spade or you are not beating it|pg||
nt|chorush: Hello everyone.welcome to the 2nd quarter of this match|pg||
pc|d2|nt|bagman: Not much in the play here; the defense can take one more ace|pg||
pc|dT|pc|dA|nt|ady: been asked to switch tables    bye all|pg||
pc|d9|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dK|mc|10|pg||
qx|o18|st||md|4SK2HT8754DKJ92C86,SJ654HA2DQT853C54,SQ987HKJ3D4CAQT73,SAT3HQ96DA76CKJ92|sv|n|nt|Walddk2: Good evening to Thorvald Aagaard|pg||
mb|1C|nt|thorvald: Good evening|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H!|an|4+ !ss|nt|barnets: hi |pg||
nt|warrens:  hi|pg||
mb|p|mb|1S!|an|3 !ss I think|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: cards well placed for dec here|pg||
nt|thorvald: I am enjoying the show, but might be a little biased|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: most rooting for the underdog|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Both E and W wrote several things about 1@s, but I can't read either note - I think it's most often a weak NT with 3 spades, but maybe doesn't promise 3|pg||
nt|warrens:  I agree, Barnett, this week|pg||
pc|c3|nt|barnets: funny how a week changes everything warren|pg||
nt|thorvald: A lot of tricks in this contract|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Congrats on your GNT win, Warren. Well done!|pg||
nt|warrens:  thanks Roland|pg||
nt|barnets: we got round to it|pg||
nt|warrens:  Glad it was only North American competition.|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg||
nt|thorvald: Playing 3. - 5. whats the right card to use from dummy in trick 1 ?|pg||
pc|dA|nt|warrens:  now we have most of the best players in the world|pg||
nt|barnets: and a case of winning from behind exciting stuff|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|c7|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sA|nt|barnets: in open east opened 1N passed out|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d5|nt|Walddk2: When will you make it mandatory for the pairs in the Spingold to submit convention cards, Jan, if ever?|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
pc|h8|nt|Walddk2: For the world to see I mean|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: probably never|pg||
nt|barnets: played by east south led a heart|pg||
nt|barnets: which made evrything harder for dec|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I found EW's, albeit from 2008 ....|pg||
nt|Walddk2: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2008Pau-european/OpenTeams/France/zimmerman-multon.pdf|pg||
pc|h2|nt|warrens:  yes, with two rounds of @H's, West is out of entries for the @D's|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h6|pg||
nt|barnets: and hence he went down a trick|pg||
pc|cA|nt|Walddk2: 5 card majors, strong NT, 3/5 leads, udca|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg||
nt|Walddk2: N-S are a new partnership so we can't show you any I'm afraid|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|h4|mc|8|pg||
qx|c18|st||md|4SK2HT8754DKJ92C86,SJ654HA2DQT853C54,SQ987HKJ3D4CAQT73,SAT3HQ96DA76CKJ92|sv|n|nt|timb: John Swanson has it pegged|pg||
nt|kit: I believe that Boyd should have gambled it -- try constructing hands Robinson can have which justify the 4@H call, and I don't think the grand will ever be worse than a finesse.|pg||
nt|joest: i was just thinking that|pg||
nt|athene: not any more :)|pg||
nt|athene: another club to force dummy there would not work|pg||
nt|athene: declarer could set up hearts and then run them through south and neutralize his trumps|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  NS missed their spade game in the OR|pg||
nt|athene: so south had to cash the sapde|pg||
nt|athene: the spade|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: he was deciding whether or not to be annoyed by partner's failure to overtake and lead back a diamond|pg||
nt|barnets: every overtrick is important|pg||
nt|barnets: at this stage|pg||
nt|chorush: Hello Pekka|pg||
nt|bagman: Hi Ira|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: some system discussions here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: we'll see lots of alerts this set|pg||
nt|chorush: Looks like a red suit part score battle with neither team being able to make more than about 8 tricks|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW play a Big 1@C with weak 1N throughout |pg||
nt|Walddk4: Good evening to Hedy Grey|pg||
nt|bagman: Askaard probably opens with 12-14 NT|pg||
nt|hedyg: good evening|pg||
nt|ahollan1: NS 1-suit openings are all one round force, 2-suit are 10-13, natural unbalanced  |pg||
nt|hedyg: NS CC: http://www.ecatsbridge.org/documents/files/ConventionCards/2009BermudaBowlBrazil/bermudabowl/italy/fantoni-nunes.pdf|pg||
nt|chorush: Nunes Fantoni play a system of their own design where all opening bids at the one level in suits are forcing|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the NS 1N is also weak throughout  and can include more distributions than most NT|pg||
nt|hedyg: EW CC: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2010Ostend-european/OpenTeams/denmark/bjarnarson-askgaard.pdf|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the other rooms are visible without login via  http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php  or  http://www.bridgebase.com/mobile/|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but each match is playing a different set of boards|pg||
nt|hedyg: for security reasons|pg||
nt|oleberg: The action is picking up speed?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1st Quarter scores at  http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16/978-2011-spingold-quarter-final|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but no realtime updates available|pg||
nt|oleberg: Could we be disconnected again? Operator?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I can disconnect if you like, but....|pg||
nt|hedyg: LOL pls dont|pg||
nt|ahollan1: last set we proved  network connections account for most hesitations|pg||
nt|oleberg: Ok. Thx. :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: we're having some actual trouble at the table over conventions and defenses to conventions|pg||
mb|1N|nt|athene: but that was hardly a taxing defence to find|pg||
nt|joest: interesting decision here.  1@s has no lead directing value whatsover but it's always important to stake claim to the boss suit if you can|pg||
mb|p|nt|othered1: I wonder if the Italians would have acted on south's hand.  My guess is they would|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: If the grand is no worse than a finesse and there is a reasonable chance it is laydown, the odds on bidding it at IMPs are good.|pg||
nt|joest: although AJxx/AQ/Axxx/QJx wouldn't be so hot. That's why 6@d as a 3rd round ask would be great|pg||
nt|hedyg: does this mean the players did not have to hand in their CCs in advance?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: E/W play a lot of constructive transfers after 1-level natural openings|pg||
nt|hedyg: that would allow for time to discuss defenses etc|pg||
nt|bagman: North has a real marginal hand for other action than pass|pg||
nt|ahollan1: for both pairs  1N = (11)12-14   but not many 11|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I don't believe anyone has to do a formal submission for the spingold|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok ty Dan|pg||
nt|ahollan1: players don't even have to submit CC for USBF Team Trials ... let alone events open to the world|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but some conventions do need pre-approval|pg||
mb|p|nt|wygbe1: well you could change the club qj into the heart king, same shape, no play|pg||
nt|kit: that hand wouldn't be a 4@H bid IMO|pg||
nt|kit: but you know he doesn't have the king of hearts!|pg||
nt|wygbe1: very true|pg||
nt|joest: Are Boyd and Robinson playing transfer responses?|pg||
nt|ady: seems 11 tricks were made in spades on hand 1|pg||
pc|h8|nt|kit: 1@H shows spades, as seems clear|pg||
nt|barnets: I am with south|pg||
nt|joest: this is an auto balance here|pg||
nt|othered1: balance with what?|pg||
nt|joest: how about 2@d?|pg||
nt|joest: 1NT is virtually a club raise.|pg||
nt|joest: i cannot see defending 1NT with this cards although I can see I have the worst possible buy if I act|pg||
nt|othered1: after 1@C-1N, opponents often have @D length between them|pg||
nt|barnets: 2@D should be 2 suits|pg||
nt|barnets: as |pg||
nt|joest: i agree barnet|pg||
nt|barnets: as he did not bid 1@D|pg||
nt|joest: plus west may take the push to 3@c|pg||
nt|tez: hi|pg||
nt|barnets: If they played that the bid would jump out|pg||
nt|joest: as clear as the 'two suit inference' might be to us, Barnet, it may not be so clear in real life|pg||
nt|barnets: so I doubt they do|pg||
nt|othered1: an ok method after extensive discussion, but I wouldn't expect partner to take that inference as I could have laid back with @C length|pg||
nt|joest: highly unlikely when responder bids 1NT|pg||
nt|othered1: well, don't they tend to open 1@C, even with a doubleton, on balanced minimums?|pg||
nt|joest: yes but with diamonds and clubs you'd just bid 1@d and be done with it|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: there is definitely an online system summary required for the team trials and these transfers would be included|pg||
pc|h2|nt|kit: double here will be support|pg||
nt|joest: support X|pg||
nt|kit: so they will get to 4@S -- Robinson will probably invite|pg||
nt|joest: well over a 3@h raise the 3@s bid loses a little of its invitational flavor but south would carry on nonetheless|pg||
nt|wygbe1: you could stick the club q into the h suit, same shape = is that worth a 4h bid? |pg||
nt|swanson: This is a type of hand where support doubles really come to th fore.  If North returns to 2@S, South can bid 3@C to show extra values with a long club suit.|pg||
nt|roswolf: do we know who is who?|pg||
nt|roswolf: sorry all we are having some technical problems|pg||
nt|athene: 3@D reopening?|pg||
nt|athene: no-one really knows what 2@D, 3@D and 2@S show here by west|pg||
pc|hK|nt|yorkbeach:  4@h, 5@d and 3NT all seem to have play|pg||
nt|joest: at the other table Versace just overcalled 1@s and got everything outof his system|pg||
nt|othered1: But that's not their methods -- card says they open 1@C with minor 4-4, I think|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
nt|kit: Any kind of transfer type bid (rather than making a bid which might be passed) works better with a further message to say|pg||
nt|roswolf: 1this is wrong|pg||
nt|barnets: E/w have to stop in 5@C here|pg||
pc|h3|nt|swanson: North would like to tranfer once again.|pg||
nt|wygbe1: do ns play 14-16 nt openers? or 15-17?|pg||
nt|kit: Now not clear if 3@S is invite or not -- But Boyd will go anyway|pg||
nt|kit: 15-17|pg||
nt|joest: 4@d will induce Berk to save|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: i think its 15-17 not sure|pg||
nt|roswolf: 3nt by north?|pg||
nt|athene: i think 2@D is a bit wet|pg||
nt|barnets: not a terrible decsiion in spades e/w have 5 trump tricks|pg||
pc|h9|nt|yorkbeach:  with Bill here - 2@h hardly suggests a 3-loser hand |pg||
nt|athene: cayne doesn't ever seem to want to jump when he has a monster|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  2@d rather|pg||
nt|athene: it cost him a vul game last set|pg||
nt|athene: when he rebid only 2@C rather than 3@C|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  only nonvul this time|pg||
nt|ahollan1: both pairs  upside down count & attitude, reverse smith vs NT  |pg||
pc|h4|nt|kit: However, e-W look like they will be saving|pg||
nt|warrens:  they have to get there first|pg||
nt|barnets: yes they will|pg||
nt|warrens:  but probably Versace will just drive it there|pg||
nt|barnets: wild horses wont stop versace|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|joest: 4@d was an excellent call|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|nt|barnets: and in the open in 2@S|pg||
pc|dA|nt|kit: Good decision by Boyd|pg||
nt|joest: was 4@s really alerted?|pg||
nt|kit: Cohler will probably go back to hearts now|pg||
nt|joest: i'm surprised he didn't the first time|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|barnets: hes still tring|pg||
nt|barnets: trying for slam|pg||
nt|barnets: lauria has decent hand now - he thinks|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d9|nt|kit: Meckwell took push to 5@S in other room, so we should have new leader it looks like|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  would East have bid 3NT over 3@d or raised the diamonds?|pg||
nt|athene: 3nt |pg||
pc|dT|nt|athene: i would imagine|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|barnets: versace did bid his 7 high suit as overcall|pg||
nt|barnets: and went down 2|pg||
nt|othered1: as expected|pg||
nt|othered1: auction and result|pg||
nt|barnets: good stop|pg||
pc|s4|nt|swanson: This is a dangerous save - it will do well only because hearts are 2-2.|pg||
nt|kit: yes -- I think Cohler should have played in hearts|pg||
pc|s7|nt|joest: yes it is.   diving in a 4-4 is not a growth industry|pg||
pc|sT|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = bad 2@H/@S opener   2@H/@S = good weak 2s|pg||
pc|sK|pg||
pc|h7|nt|yorkbeach:  yes nearly all values are in the blacks|pg||
nt|ady: 5@D got home in OR   needs ace and anothr diamond start to defend|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  perhaps Cayne was giving Schwartz the chance to bid 2@s, suspecting that East could double 2@s|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  taking the risk of a missed non-vul game for the chance of a useful penalty|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  was quite disciplined of Schwartz to pass over 2@d - many players would just take one look at the sixth spade and bid 2@s|pg||
nt|athene: well this auction suggests strongly that east has a spade stack|pg||
nt|athene: west usually has a spade void to reopen with 2@D rather than double|pg||
nt|athene: so i think pass was judicious|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  either that or very short in @c, though as West could convert @c to @d, West could could afford to X 1@s even without @c support|pg||
pc|c4|nt|joest: on board 33, Versace did great to get out for down one in 3@s to push the board.|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|d7|nt|kit: apparently heart shift not found vs. 5@S at other table -- a disaster.|pg||
nt|oleberg: Very popular treatment in Denmark|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the 2@D opener can be 5 or 6 card major|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d5|nt|wygbe1: if s puts n in with spade for another club play, e will need to discard to prevent losing the heart suit|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|hT|nt|swanson: Maybe 4@D should be used to show at least 5 diamonds; East could bid 3NT to show his actual shape.|pg||
nt|joest: now a club|pg||
nt|timb: if trumps were 4-1 we might need an abacus to calculate the damage|pg||
nt|joest: i am not sure why Duboin is not driving the club out with the spade as an entry|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N West in other room  will that matter?|pg||
pc|h5|pc|d8|pc|cQ|nt|chorush: will likely get club lead which will be less damaging|pg||
nt|pelu: y no @hlead - entry to @d!|pg||
nt|hedyg: or @s|pg||
nt|bagman: N has indicated that he wants a spade thru|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
pc|s2|nt|joest: when i'm getting tapped I like the safety of a six card suit :)|pg||
nt|kit: Now down only 1|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg||
nt|wygbe1: even if e discards, another club would have allowed n to ruff |pg||
pc|cK|nt|timb: playing in the 6-3 fit would have been far, far safer|pg||
nt|joest: 5@s made?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: they're "good"  is  7-9    others who upgrade 2M opening to something like 8-11|pg||
mc|6|nt|athene: well done to get the diamonds right|pg||
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qx|o19|st||md|1SAKJ43HQ8DQ5CJT76,SQ97HAT654DJ92CQ4,ST85H97DT64CK9832,S62HKJ32DAK873CA5|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|barnets: lucky 4@H e/w|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: You have to guess diamonds, though|pg||
pc|s5|nt|thorvald: Playing Lebensohl i would only bid 3@h on the west hand|pg||
nt|barnets: after opening bid hough by south|pg||
nt|Walddk2: But when North shows up with @CK it is so much easier|pg||
nt|barnets: in open South opened 1N|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg||
nt|barnets: but e/w still got to 4@H|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Schaltz will likely shift to a club now|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg||
nt|Walddk2: And then Zimmermann gets to see where @CK is|pg||
nt|Walddk2: OK, so much for that|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|c5|pg||
nt|thorvald: With AKJxx, QX, ??, JTxx wouldnt he open 1@s anyway ?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Same ciontract in the closed room|pg||
nt|barnets: Nunes did switch at trick 2 to a club|pg||
nt|Walddk2: and Nunes did shift to a club at trick 2, queen, king, ace|pg||
nt|Walddk2: In the other room Nunes opened a 12-14 1NT|pg||
nt|Walddk2: So unless he upgraded he has both red queens|pg||
nt|barnets: the fact south did not fnd the club switch perhaps makes the hand more difficult to read|pg||
nt|barnets: as the position of th @CK is unknown|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Well, he only needs to get one suit right now|pg||
nt|warrens:  it's possible he thinks S has the @C K and N has both red queens.  it's possible to go down if he thinks that|pg||
nt|barnets: a spec suggests leading the @CQ now|pg||
nt|barnets: from dummy|pg||
nt|Walddk2: With the singleton ace in dummy? :)|pg||
nt|barnets: to find out about the K|pg||
nt|warrens:  except East is dummy|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: the club Q is in declarer's hand though|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I think that spec thinks East is declarer|pg||
nt|barnets: shows he was thinking anyway |pg||
nt|thorvald: To bid 2 @s wouldnt he need at least one Queen ?|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg||
nt|barnets: now he missed chance|pg||
nt|jbgood: and hwe usually has 2 hearts|pg||
nt|barnets: to play Q|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Will he play for @D10x in South now?|pg||
nt|barnets: same thing|pg||
nt|Walddk2: There is a chance he will|pg||
nt|thorvald: he is locked at table now a will make it|pg||
nt|warrens:  he can't play North for Q10x of @D anymore, so half his bad choices are out|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He can play North for Qxx though|pg||
pc|h3|pc|c7|nt|Walddk2: @DA and back with a trump|pg||
pc|hT|nt|warrens:  that's other half :)|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|hK|pc|cT|pg||
pc|dA|nt|warrens:  saved|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dQ|pc|d9|mc|10|pg||
qx|c19|st||md|1SAKJ43HQ8DQ5CJT76,SQ97HAT654DJ92CQ4,ST85H97DT64CK9832,S62HKJ32DAK873CA5|sv|e|nt|kit: yep -- AK of diamonds cashed before heart shift|pg||
nt|timb: how!!!!|pg||
nt|wygbe1: yes that one could have gotten a little ugly|pg||
nt|ady: cannot see the point of last play   wjy not come to hand with A@C draw trump  and either hearts break or not|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  vulnerability may silence EW here, at least if South opens|pg||
nt|athene: 1@H - 1@S; 2@S and you might get to 6@S i suppose|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in these days of RKCB, it is rare to bid a slam missing an ace and the queen of trumps|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  though on your sequence North may think the fit is 6-4 and not worry about the @sQ|pg||
nt|athene: he can ask over 2@S and find out how many spades his partner has|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: the match tightens!|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N here?|pg||
nt|bagman: Nunes has 1NT opening?|pg||
nt|bagman: Fantunes normally open any 54|pg||
nt|bagman: 22|pg||
nt|ahollan1: except 54 @H & @S|pg||
mb|1N|nt|joest: oh I thought maybe somebody underled diamonds to score a ruff|pg||
nt|kit: I think|pg||
nt|joest: we will see Berk's hand in the Master Solvers Club in about 18 months|pg||
nt|joest: impossible decision|pg||
nt|kit: yes, that's what happened|pg||
nt|ady: very nice lay for 12 tricks   in spades   but likely to play in game|pg||
nt|athene: well, he might not be able to as this is a new partnership|pg||
nt|joest: another part score hand|pg||
nt|barnets: Versace playing this board in 2@H from south|pg||
mb|p|nt|timb: joest :) :)|pg||
nt|kit: Berkowitz has tough hand over the preempt|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  how does the ask work?|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: ok and kit what does 3@h mean?|pg||
nt|kit: I don't know this one, sorry|pg||
nt|joest: they are bidding their four card majors up the lne|pg||
nt|joest: line|pg||
nt|timb: looking for a @D stopper?|pg||
nt|joest: maybe catching a heart raiase|pg||
nt|kit: It may be conventional looking for 4-card major -- I think it is something new in their methods|pg||
nt|athene: no 2@C from north?|pg||
nt|ady: 4 of either major  sees ok for e/w|pg||
nt|roswolf: on bd 2 i am told by the operator that 3nt was -2|pg||
nt|athene: do we have names for the players operator?|pg||
nt|athene: my guess is EW are lauria versace|pg||
nt|athene: but could be sementa duboin?|pg||
nt|ady: 4@Smade 11 tricks in open room|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Operator, could you please put player names up?|pg||
nt|roswolf: oh i do trust you but canadians!?|pg||
nt|ady: auction in open room west 1@H   2@C   dbl    south 2NT    west 4@C   east 4@H   west 4@S   all pass   |pg||
nt|athene: a 2@C overcall might silence east; double isn't really ideal with only three hearts|pg||
nt|athene: but even a good raise from south isn't going to shut out west|pg||
nt|ady: not an every day auction|pg||
nt|roswolf: west is in 4@H here|pg||
nt|athene: 1@S 2@C P 2@S [@C raise] 3@H and now east is bidding 4@H or 4@S (or maybe 4@C choice of games, if he is given the room)|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Schwartz-Kranyak  are N-S  against  Lauria-Versace|pg||
nt|athene: ok, so what is the likelihood EW can be talked out of game?  arrange these words into a common phrase: snowball's, hell, not, chance, in, a|pg||
nt|joest: i don't like his chances|pg||
nt|barnets: and 5@C in open too|pg||
mb|d|nt|athene: most use 2NT|pg||
mb|2S|nt|kit: this makes more sense|pg||
nt|kit: this I know is conventional, looking for major-suit holdings|pg||
nt|joest: I have played 3@d a couple of ways here|pg||
nt|kit: 3@H shows 3 or 4 hearts I think|pg||
nt|swanson: Any bid other than pass my North looks like an effort to turn a plus into a minus.|pg||
nt|joest: looking for a three card major is one treament|pg||
nt|barnets: He has already gone a few down in first 2 and is heading fo|pg||
nt|bagman: with both red queens coming down, EW can make 4@H here|pg||
nt|bagman: even 5|pg||
nt|chorush: Hard for EW to figure out that 4H is a lucky make for them|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|nt|kit: E-W have no idea it is their hand|pg||
nt|joest: Well if Cohler is thinking ...|pg||
nt|barnets: for more here|pg||
mb|3H|nt|ady: chances of getting to a slam with an immediate spade raise|pg||
nt|athene: 3@D now probably showing 3-5-4-1|pg||
nt|joest: at the other table north tried to find a 4-4 major suit fit (unsuccessfully). Same result east-west here|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: we'll go back and do 2 afterwards|pg||
nt|ahollan1: NS have changed system since 2008 Bejing      DBL used to say NO Major|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: when you open these hands with 3@c, 3NT by partner was not what you had in mind|pg||
nt|othered1: That's no everyone's 1N overcall.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: sorry  wrong auction|pg||
mb|4H|nt|yorkbeach:  loses the option to use 2NT as a natural game but can gain on big hands|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  natural game try|pg||
nt|athene: singleton club opposite is fairly good news for north|pg||
nt|joest: in most |pg||
nt|joest: "garbage stayman' sequence I'm familiar with|pg||
nt|joest: 2NT is not possible|pg||
nt|joest: either pass 2@h or correct to 2@s|pg||
nt|joest: but this east west knows what they are doing for sure|pg||
nt|barnets: not garbage stayman|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: 2@H was a range ask|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Boyd runs before anything happens|pg||
nt|timb: 3nt over 3@C would probably have got a @S lead...|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: not so hard :p|pg||
nt|bagman: well judged|pg||
pc|sA|nt|athene: but only three trumps in dummy is VERY bad news especially if you are going to try to establish hearts|pg||
nt|athene: so 4@S sensible|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  but will be hard work to ruff 3@c|pg||
nt|barnets: and 2N a min|pg||
nt|joest: thx|pg||
nt|joest: in a vacuum he might like to duck but he doesn't want a club switch|pg||
nt|barnets: strangely a club lead would have been best|pg||
nt|bagman: the opening helps a bit in the play|pg||
nt|ahollan1: finding @CK in North will place @DQ in South|pg||
nt|ahollan1: unless there is some way to try to endplay South if he holds @CK|pg||
nt|bagman: Now a club switch and declarer needs both red queens to come down|pg||
pc|s7|nt|yorkbeach:  seems that North planned to go for a slam only if South showed 4@s|pg||
nt|ady: can set up hearts    favourable lie|pg||
nt|ahollan1: CCs   NS http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2008MindSportGamesBeijing/Open/France/multon-zimmerman.pdf|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW  http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/ConventionCards/2010Ostend-european/OpenTeams/denmark/bjarnarson-askgaard.pdf|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s2|pg||
nt|barnets: if he wins he can power 3 spade trikcks|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|athene: yes, 4@C over 2NT might have been a splinter with four spades, say 4-5-3-1|pg||
nt|athene: and that would get north a bit more excited|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  East has heard about the singleton club in dummy and leads a trump to cut down on ruffs, hoping West has the hearts covered|pg||
nt|athene: trump lead will hold it to 12 :)|pg||
nt|athene: as good as anything else|pg||
nt|joest: pinning the 8 yes|pg||
nt|barnets: if he ducks he has only 2|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|nt|joest: he also saves anothe entry to the diamonds |pg||
pc|cA|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  with the hearts lying this well, all plays lead to 12|pg||
nt|ahollan1: is there ANY way to score @D8?|pg||
pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: that clears that up|pg||
pc|sK|nt|athene: hmmmm, is declarer going for ruffs rather than the heart establishment?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: expect to see more and more takeout DBL of 1@C with balanced hands|pg||
pc|s9|nt|kit: nice result for E-W in other room, virtually tying the match|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: Duboin showed the faintest sign of happiness when he played the @sT|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c2|nt|barnets: Dec knows south has the @DQ now|pg||
nt|ahollan1: nothing new  Italian Blue Team won tons of world championships doing that from late 1950s thru early 1970s|pg||
nt|athene: yes, if 1@C doesn't especially promise clubs, a double of 1@C shouldn't especially promise short clubs :)|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
nt|barnets: and has 8 tricks|pg||
nt|joest: and why is that|pg||
nt|barnets: from the opening bid|pg||
nt|barnets: and norths pause|pg||
nt|joest: yes from the slow duck of the heart king|pg||
nt|barnets: with the @HK|pg||
nt|barnets: hard to fault n/s bidding I too am a responder|pg||
pc|s3|nt|joest: great match|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s8|nt|joest: if he reads it right Ginossar will get squeezed into allowing an overtrick|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
nt|ady: that works as well|pg||
nt|athene: ok, 12 anyway with the @CK falling|pg||
nt|joest: these guys are already two boards behind|pg||
nt|othered1: are we still connected?|pg||
nt|joest: yes we are|pg||
nt|barnets: South will have to discard his heart on the @S7|pg||
nt|joest: at some point Pachtmann might lead his partner's bid suit :)|pg||
nt|barnets: and then dec can manage an overtrick|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 4@H West in other room    will that be an ongoing theme?|pg||
pc|hK|nt|yorkbeach:  now the @sQ has gone, ruffing clubs becomes more attractive|pg||
nt|bagman: E probably soon asks N if the opening can be 5=2=2=4|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg||
nt|athene: these days people like to get into the auction early and show some values; you can use responsive doubles and scrambling bids to find fits thereafter, so being a bit offshape is ...|pg||
nt|athene: not such a big deal|pg||
nt|chorush: playing 1NT from the other side cost Bjarnason 5 imps since it made|pg||
nt|ahollan1: it definitely mattered on  18 where North led @C|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|barnets: in open they stopped in 2@d after east x 1@D|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg||
mc|10|nt|hedyg: only one way to play @d|pg||
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qx|o20|st||md|2SJ863HQJ64DKTCT73,SAKQT54HAT97D3CK5,S2H5DAQJ87542CQJ6,S97HK832D96CA9842|sv|b|nt|warrens:  it's easy from here, but playing North for the @H Q was certainly reasonable|pg||
nt|barnets: e/w pushed themselves to 5@S on this board in closed|pg||
mb|1S|nt|Walddk2: That looks like one down|pg||
mb|4D|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Although there is a chance if he plays on clubs|pg||
nt|thorvald: 5@D looks like a normal bid to me|pg||
mb|p|mb|d|nt|barnets: after strong club 4@D X then 5@S|pg||
mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|d3|nt|Walddk2: I guess 5@S makes when clubs are 3-3|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg||
nt|thorvald: I think you are right Roland, but it will take a long time to play|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h6|nt|barnets: looked like 2 rounds of diamonds were best|pg||
nt|barnets: here|pg||
pc|h9|pc|d2|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sK|nt|warrens:  yes, for sure.  now he can go up and just ruff out the spades with a @C entry back to dummy|pg||
pc|d5|pc|s9|mc|11|nt|warrens:  or make an overtrick this way :)|pg||
pg||
qx|c20|st||md|2SJ863HQJ64DKTCT73,SAKQT54HAT97D3CK5,S2H5DAQJ87542CQJ6,S97HK832D96CA9842|sv|b|nt|joest: another wild hand|pg||
nt|roswolf: hmmmmmmmmm|pg||
nt|athene: very well done by NS in the other room to reach slam after the opposing 1@C opener|pg||
nt|barnets: goodn push by the italians here|pg||
nt|barnets: 4@H a good spot here|pg||
nt|hedyg: lucky|pg||
mb|1C!|nt|joest: is this 3@h too big?|pg||
nt|joest: guess so|pg||
nt|swanson: A 3@C preempt with the South hand can cause serious problems for the opponents but creates havoc with consturctive bidding over your own preempts.  A partnership style.|pg||
nt|joest: Kit you would bid 3@h in your sleep, right?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  just what I was about to say|pg||
nt|bagman: If the @CK were S, the defense could not have attacked the clubs|pg||
nt|hedyg: lucky because Qx in @d|pg||
nt|bagman: The releays are soon gone|pg||
mb|4D|nt|athene: EW play fairly standard 5-card majors, strong notrump, short club - i am hunting for NS's convention card|pg||
nt|bagman: N takes care of that|pg||
mb|d|nt|kit: Yes, I would|pg||
nt|joest: transfer then key cards?|pg||
nt|joest: then a mournful signoff in 5@s|pg||
nt|kit: seems normal -- basically what happened in other room, after 2@H opening and 2NT overcall|pg||
nt|sybarra: can Berk get back in iwth H!?|pg||
nt|sybarra: with @H?|pg||
nt|joest: not over 4@h he can't|pg||
nt|kit: Of course, after 3@H opening might have been more interesting|pg||
nt|roswolf: just need to rightside the slam|pg||
nt|ady: still only 11 sure tricks    |pg||
nt|ady: trumps 3-0  but hearts ok  for 6@S|pg||
nt|athene: to be fair though south does not need very much from his partner|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  the @dA and good spades|pg||
nt|joest: a phantom sacrifice in the open room|pg||
nt|chorush: The play will not be so clearcut in the other room since south opened 1 spade.|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk4: Anyone know contract, declarer and number of tricks on board 2, so that I can give Bruce the code|pg||
nt|chorush: Good 4 hearts here that will wind up depending on guessing the diamond queen|pg||
nt|barnets: 4@S is 500 but due t|pg||
nt|barnets: to luckly lie for dec|pg||
mb|5S|nt|athene: kranyak might be worried that schwartz has another very light overcall like the 1@H that got into trouble last set|pg||
nt|barnets: e/w taking a phantom|pg||
nt|joest: this auction does not appear that it will develop the momentum they did at the other table|pg||
nt|joest: is this a 3@h call?|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  interesting that neither South bid 3@h as a fit-showing jump|pg||
nt|joest: or just 2@h?  The problem is you would bid 2 on way less in comp|pg||
nt|barnets: they started a level higher in open|pg||
nt|joest: now if sementa raises to 3@c|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: with north at this table it's hard to imagine we'll have any momentum at all|pg||
nt|joest: as i suspect he will|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: I'm surprised -- I thought they made 4-level transfer and then RKC|pg||
nt|kit: Pass over the double shows doubleton spade I think|pg||
nt|athene: doubling 2@C is not very pre-emptive|pg||
nt|athene: how about 2nt or something|pg||
nt|athene: get the minors into it|pg||
nt|athene: partner might have five diamonds over there!|pg||
nt|athene: i am not a huge fan of 3@H fit showing because south is simply too strong|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if the NS spade fit is only 5-3, West needs to be careful when vulnerable|pg||
nt|athene: you don't really need a fitting heart honour |pg||
nt|athene: and you don't need a club control|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  no idea that South has so many spades|pg||
nt|athene: south should be just taking control|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: inly a club lead from south does not immediately give the 12th|pg||
nt|athene: i think Versace can happily bid 3@C there to show his long club suit without implying loads of hcp|pg||
nt|athene: because with any strong hand he would start with a double|pg||
nt|athene: first ask partner if he has total rubbish; when he says no, ask for keycards|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: as it requires a speed|pg||
nt|barnets: so all have done well so far here|pg||
nt|hedyg: due to the strong @c system they missed the 4 4 @H fit|pg||
nt|oleberg: "Missed" is a strong word. 5@H is in more trouble than 5@S|pg||
nt|chorush: Some hands you don't want to get to 4-4 fit.|pg||
nt|hedyg: with 3 3 @cs and 4-1 @hs 5@s is the making contract, 5@H isnt|pg||
nt|chorush: I would go out on a big limb and say that had they gotten to 6 spades Bjarnson would have made it|pg||
nt|bagman: declarer probably needs to take a spade finesse to make this|pg||
nt|hedyg: well missed because the @H fit is where most would play|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i'm not sure i agree with either of the last 2 comments|pg||
nt|hedyg: dont think he needs the @s finesse|pg||
nt|hedyg: can lose 1@s and 1@d|pg||
nt|hedyg: disc 2@hs on @c|pg||
pc|dA|nt|joest: they are playing 5@s in the open|pg||
nt|ady: as kibs suggest almost certain to make|pg||
nt|athene: it might look as though declarer is sure to succeed, even on a club lead, in 6nt, because both red suit finesses work|pg||
nt|athene: a fit-showing jump tries to make partner captain of the auction and south is too strong to want to do that, i think|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  presumably North could have bid 2@s over 2@c X to show total rubbish|pg||
nt|joest: now 3@h all pass?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 3@C = Bergen raise   4@S   you decide on strength :)|pg||
pc|d6|nt|roswolf: whoops|pg||
nt|athene: but there are ways to go down|pg||
nt|athene: you might play for a strip-and-throw-in on south, playing him for @HQ or @DK |pg||
nt|athene: hmmm|pg||
nt|ady: best contract 6@C from east side   can ruff out the diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: i think Lauria intended that 4nt as blackwood|pg||
nt|roswolf: there could be an animated post-mortem on this one|pg||
pc|dT|nt|athene: well, again, that is something that an experienced pair will have discussed but this NS might not have|pg||
nt|athene: yes i think on fast arrive principles, 2@S would be north's weakest action|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|athene: maybe he should simply have bid 6NT - not really possible for Versace to have no ace|pg||
nt|athene: but not everyone agrees|pg||
nt|joest: Duboin will be afraid of pushing them into a heart game|pg||
nt|barnets: that was quite amusing nikita|pg||
pc|d2|nt|swanson: I don't like a double here with the West cards.  You don't want to demand a heart lead, buying the contract is unlikely, and it gives help to the opponents in the auction and the ...|pg||
nt|swanson: play.|pg||
nt|ady: did not expect this swing|pg||
nt|athene: south is waiting patiently for a diamond control-bid|pg||
nt|joest: so we will have a new leader here|pg||
pc|d9|nt|kit: I agree John, but one hates to never bid with that hand|pg||
nt|roswolf: world class players having a bidding misunderstanding in a very simple sequence - there is hope for us mere mortals still|pg||
nt|chorush: Paying 500 against a game that was 50-50 will not do well in the long run|pg||
pc|dK|nt|athene: ...and there we are|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South is determined to reamain captain of this auction :)|pg||
nt|athene: now 4NT|pg||
pc|s4|pg||
nt|ahollan1: what he can't do  is use dummy entry for @S finesse |pg||
nt|ahollan1: at least i don't think he can|pg||
nt|hedyg: draw 2@s, K@C, A@C, @c ruff, Q@s and @s|pg||
nt|ahollan1: maybe double dummy    @C to Ace, spade finesse   @H to 8|pg||
nt|bagman: He can play a club to the A and take the spade finesse; then run @H9 |pg||
nt|bagman: cannot play @H7 to 8|pg||
nt|hedyg: dummy discs @hs on @ss, S has only @Hs left|pg||
nt|bagman: On this bidding at least one of his suits breaks badly|pg||
nt|bagman: He can pick up the hearts if spades are 3-2|pg||
pc|sA|nt|kit: The 4@D call is a splinter, and when Robinson showed no interest Boyd gave up on slam -- reasonable|pg||
nt|kit: After all, could have been off 3 aces on a bad day.|pg||
nt|athene: hmmmm|pg||
nt|athene: what was wrong with good ol' blackwood?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  is 5@s two way, either good controls and bad spades or good spades and bad controls?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  hard for North to go on with two heart losers|pg||
nt|athene: jumping to 5 of a major is most often a Partner Torture bid|pg||
nt|barnets: interesting in 4@H|pg||
nt|barnets: dec has 3 sure losers|pg||
nt|barnets: if he throws def in with a club|pg||
nt|barnets: they must give him a ruff and sluff|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg||
nt|barnets: to stop him guessing the diamond suit|pg||
nt|bagman: When the spades are 4-1 declarer needs the hearts to run or clubs to break|pg||
nt|hedyg: he cannot combine the 2|pg||
nt|ahollan1: slim chance that @SJ would fall on 1st round -- would give extra entry to dummy if @C 42|pg||
nt|ahollan1: which doesn't really help, does it|pg||
nt|bagman: I think that the percentage play is to finesse the spade now|pg||
nt|oleberg: Isnt there a problem in setting up clubs?|pg||
nt|hedyg: no Ole|pg||
nt|hedyg: not if they are 3-3|pg||
nt|oleberg: On a diamond force, declarer cannot knock out the @SJ|pg||
nt|bagman: If diamonds are 7-3 he cannot afford the 4th spade|pg||
nt|oleberg: So the fifth clubs will never be played|pg||
nt|hedyg: he can, once @cs are set up S has only J@s and @hs left|pg||
pc|sK|nt|athene: it says "i want you to bid slam with exactly xxxxxx but not yyyyyyy" and partner has to fill in the blanks|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  that is what everyone tells me when I do it :)|pg||
nt|athene: i like my partner to bid blackwood :) i have at least a 60% chance of getting the subsequent auction right|pg||
pc|d4|nt|athene: 2nt from west over 2@C might have worked better in that north would not have been able to show extras immediately, as we think the pass after double did|pg||
nt|athene: also east might have bid lots of diamonds, which would have been exciting|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer will need to set up the hearts to make enough tricks|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s6|pg||
nt|athene: maybe he was still interested in a grand slam|pg||
nt|oleberg: South will ruff the fourth club|pg||
pc|cK|nt|athene: of course, every pair must have its own rules about when 4NT is (or is not) blackwood, so it's hard to know who is to blame|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in view of West's opening bid and void in spades, declarer will not want to finesse East for the @hQ|pg||
nt|ady: once the trumps are 3-0  declarer would have to get things right with a ruffing finesse had west had QXXX hearts   but all is well|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  whether declarer plays a ruffing finesse or simply hopes the @hQ falls in 3 rounds, the slam is there|pg||
nt|athene: the defence have four obvious tricks against 7@D (@HAK, ruff, @DA)- is that all?|pg||
pc|c6|nt|yorkbeach:  they are now 2 whole boards ahead in the OR|pg||
pc|c2|nt|pelu: nice defense|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|ahollan1: is there any chance Fantoni started with 7@D instead of 8?|pg||
nt|chorush: Since EW play udca declarer can be reasonably sure diamonds are 8-2 based on the diamond 10 that was played|pg||
nt|smoller: 4@D vul on a 7-card suit?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i didn't think so either -- but really like Ira's answer to make me certain|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
nt|barnets: so this is a case for giving a ruff and discard|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|s5|pc|cJ|pg||
nt|barnets: quite unusual|pg||
nt|hedyg: he is playing my line down to drawing 2@ss first :)|pg||
nt|chorush: now he has to play 2 spades|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this means 2 rounds of @S is safe since Fantoni known to be 1 1 8 3|pg||
nt|bagman: for hearts to run declarer needs N with a singleton quack or QJ bare; if N has singleton heart, he has 1183|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: he can't play a heart to dummy and good clubs, endplaying if necessary?|pg||
nt|smoller: almost an open book now|pg||
nt|Walddk4: He does not have to play spades, Ira|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Multon did play 4@H   sorry about that bagman|pg||
nt|chorush: right, he can go to heart and play a clubl if ruffed, overruff and exit small heart|pg||
nt|hedyg: as the cards lie he can play a @H to the K and a @c, ruff, overruff, pull last @s and play 10@H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: cute position Hedy|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes but slightly DD isnt it?|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|d5|pc|h2|pc|s8|pg||
pc|sT|pc|d7|pc|h3|nt|yorkbeach:  @c ruff too?|pg||
nt|athene: ah, yes|pg||
pc|sJ|pg||
nt|athene: ok, so 1400|pg||
nt|athene: great board at BAM|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  so a possible 1 IMP gain blown :)|pg||
nt|athene: bidding diamonds might talk NS out of slam though|pg||
nt|athene: e.g. 1@C 1@S P 2@C 2N P 5@D and it's murky|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  it would appear that North is claiming|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  even murkier than on the actual auction with South's 5@s bid :)|pg||
nt|Walddk4: cute|pg||
mc|11|nt|bagman: well done|pg||
nt|oleberg: Much ado for a flat board|pg||
nt|ahollan1: indeed   many more possibilities arose once we're convinced of North's distribution|pg||
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qx|o21|st||md|3SKQT2HQT5DQJ65C95,SJ9875HKJ92DAT3CT,S3HA843D9872CAQJ6,SA64H76DK4CK87432|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S!|an|can have = or longer !ds|nt|thorvald: SO what to rebid after 1@s from P on the north hand ?|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg||
nt|warrens:  if you play that you can rebid 1nt with a singleton, this is the hand to do it.  If not, better to open 1@D and rebid 2@C|pg||
pc|d9|nt|thorvald: What about Pass ?|pg||
pc|d4|nt|barnets: West has not many good cards to play when he wins the lead|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|warrens:  that's a good reason to duck, isn't it?|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|barnets: if he ducks|pg||
pc|d5|nt|warrens:  :)|pg||
pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg||
nt|barnets: he will be puut in with the A|pg||
nt|barnets: it will be as bad|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|s5|pc|cA|pg||
nt|Walddk2: At long last 5@S made on 20|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Madsen asks about discards - "standard" - "count or attitude?" didn't get a very firm answer to that|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|c3|pg||
nt|barnets: e/w in 3@C in closed here|pg||
pc|s8|pc|h3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s6|nt|barnets: that is not making|pg||
nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-8  all four matches very close after the first quarter|pg||
nt|warrens:  he can go up and endplay West now|pg||
nt|warrens:  better if W held onto his long @S|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Jan will have a look at the scorelines after this set to determine which two matches we will be showing after the dinner break|pg||
nt|barnets: @SQ and spade makes 9|pg||
nt|barnets: tricks|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|c6|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|h2|pc|d8|pc|c2|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c7|mc|8|pg||
qx|c21|st||md|3SKQT2HQT5DQJ65C95,SJ9875HKJ92DAT3CT,S3HA843D9872CAQJ6,SA64H76DK4CK87432|sv|n|nt|kit: did Boyd really ruff the ace of hearts by accident?|pg||
nt|joest: he overruffed actually|pg||
nt|wygbe1: overruffed east|pg||
nt|kit: oh, sorry -- okay|pg||
nt|athene: versace might have felt that lauria had other ways to set clubs before bidding 4nt|pg||
nt|roswolf: a gift for schwartz|pg||
nt|athene: e.g. 4@C|pg||
nt|athene: true, if your opponents are capable of self-inflicted murk maybe you don't take risks to do it to them|pg||
nt|barnets: cayne are already in front though|pg||
nt|joest: sorry i miscalculated who went for 500!|pg||
nt|joest: and I can't even blame liquor!|pg||
nt|barnets: now thats unlucky|pg||
nt|barnets: for all students of the game who learned never to give aruff and discard|pg||
nt|barnets: there are always exceptions|pg||
nt|athene: but still losing imps to 1NT|pg||
nt|ahollan1: NS standard carding    EW  upside-down count & attitude|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: the feared Flannery|pg||
nt|joest: maybe I should take steps to change that|pg||
mb|2C|an|!c, <15|nt|kit: 2@H is Flannery|pg||
nt|timb: Reese intimated it was almost useless|pg||
nt|sybarra: Roland bans us from commenting for using that word :) |pg||
nt|joest: an overly maligned convention|pg||
nt|roswolf: an upgrade?|pg||
mb|p|nt|timb: which one - Reese or useless|pg||
mb|2D!|an|asking, inv+|nt|sybarra: flannery!|pg||
nt|ady: no problem to make 3NT for n/s|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: This may steal the pot|pg||
mb|3C|an|minimum, no major|nt|ahollan1: 2@C=10-15 HCP, 6+@C or 5@C & 4@H/@S|pg||
mb|p|nt|timb: theorists would argue it's has too a low frequency to use for a 2-level bid|pg||
nt|athene: 3@H not constructive ( he has lots of other bids for that)|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk4: http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php, or http://www.bridgebase.com/mobile/  Watch multiple tables (without logging in) |pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: here west did well to pas 3@H s north would surely smack 4|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: pachtmann asking if east could have shown both majors directly over 1@c|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@D at least invite|pg||
nt|hedyg: i have rarely seen a precision 2@c opening with such a bad suit|pg||
nt|bagman: W has the nightmare hand after 2@C; if he passes he misses a game and if he bids, he ends up in 3@C|pg||
pc|sK|nt|joest: I've played it often and I think it's primary benefit is on hands where it is not used|pg||
nt|joest: you can respond 1NT a lot more often over 1@h and not have to worry about responding 1@s on Jxxx or something like that|pg||
nt|athene: the EW convention card does say they play modified turbo rather than blackwood when clubs are trump|pg||
nt|athene: certainly 4nt blackwood is not so much use in clubs|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: 2@c could be canape|pg||
nt|athene: obviously you make two more tricks in 1nt if you finesse diamonds, but that would be very rash with the hearts and spades wide open|pg||
nt|ahollan1: playing transfer responses to 1@C -- i wonder why Multon opens 1@D instead of 1@C|pg||
nt|athene: (after @SK lead)|pg||
pc|s5|nt|kit: Looks like both 2@S and 3@D are makes here, so possible pickup for Robinson|pg||
nt|ady: heart lead declarer will run round to ace|pg||
nt|athene: so turbo uses 4NT to say "i have an even number of keycards"|pg||
nt|ady: then obviously play on diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: maybe that is what 4nt said - "i have slam interest in clubs and an even number of keycards" and versace was not at libterty to pass it|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South takes advantage of being passed hand to make what some call a pre-balancing action |pg||
nt|athene: east has good news/bad news - max hcp but soft and 433|pg||
nt|athene: 4333|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  with 6@h, I would just bid 3@h as West|pg||
pc|s3|nt|timb: like many conventions ;)|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
nt|ahollan1: you haven't been watching carefully :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol i have!|pg||
nt|bagman: that's my experience after 2@C openings|pg||
pc|d4|nt|joest: plus when you do bid 1@s and get raised it is almost 100% to be a 3 card raise|pg||
nt|ady: great lead|pg||
nt|ady: will have to try and set up clubs|pg||
nt|henryb:  Because he has 4@d and 4@c|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer will have to set up the clubs but still big trouble|pg||
nt|ady: at least 500|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but Hedy's point is taken   Bjar felt ok to relay with 2@D because if not 4M, then Askgaard had 6+ decent @C  usually|pg||
pc|cT|nt|ady: minimum 9 tricks    likely more with west getting squeezed holding all the important cards|pg||
nt|athene: a guess in diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: cashing the ace first would have resolved that|pg||
nt|ady: I would have tht ace first|pg||
nt|athene: Versace can count his partner for very few HCP|pg||
nt|athene: surprising decision from cayne to penalize them at the 3 level with a sixth heart|pg||
nt|barnets: the only way down is a heart finesse|pg||
pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: EW spot card leads 2nd/4th vs suit & nt|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c5|pg||
nt|roswolf: with that dummy west knows this will make |pg||
nt|athene: but it sure has worked|pg||
pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|d5|nt|swanson: My experience is that Flannery is an OK convention.  If I remember correctly William Flannery gave up using his own convention.|pg||
nt|barnets: otherwise he must make 9 tricks|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
pc|cK|nt|joest: nice d|pg||
nt|athene: declarer might not want to deal with a second heart from east, which is good news in diamonds|pg||
nt|athene: club lead gives you more time; it's pretty safe to finesse the diamond|pg||
pc|c9|nt|athene: no way the defenders are winning the @DQ and running six heart tricks :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: usually...|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c6|pg||
nt|athene: as he will play the ace to guard against that|pg||
pc|c3|nt|joest: now when the spade hook loses anothe diamond, a pitch by cohler and voila a second trump trick|pg||
pc|h5|pc|s7|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|joest: partner has values but no heart raise so declarer almost for sure 0=4=5=4|pg||
nt|chorush: Cayne gained 12 imps when 4H was set 1 on the hand NS went for 500|pg||
pc|c4|pc|dJ|nt|ady: looks like 800|pg||
nt|athene: so should be two imps to monaco|pg||
pc|h9|pg||
nt|Walddk4: First quarter scores at  http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  perhaps my decision to bid 3@h is influenced by the fact that I am not used to playing a system where East would bid 2@h with the hand he has |pg||
pc|d7|pc|c7|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg||
pc|s4|nt|ady: might only make 9|pg||
nt|athene: duck a heart is safe now, and might be indicated by the play|pg||
nt|athene: if versace did not have the @HK he would likely have returned the suit hoping his partner had a diamond entry|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|h3|pg||
nt|athene: actually sorry still not totally safe; versace might have all the hearts|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  Ginossar in the other room after the same start bid 3@h|pg||
nt|barnets: so dec must have misguesed the @DQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW never in the bidding in the other room      Madsen opened North  now playing 1N|pg||
pc|hT|nt|chorush: presumably|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|o22|st||md|4ST65HAT52DK74CJ73,SQ9HQ3DAQ652CQ962,SAK42HJ96DT9CKT84,SJ873HK874DJ83CA5|sv|e|nt|thorvald: Easy for us to see, but the @S10 could not be wrong|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1H|mb|d|nt|barnets: Denmark picked up an imp with 3@C down 2 in closed|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Double = hearts|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|nt|thorvald: Its all about getting your story told, So when no fit, just let the opps play the contract|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Good lead|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Madsen wants to protect his clubs and did not give anything away by cashing a top spade first|pg||
nt|barnets: when dec ruffs a club south makes the @D 7 spot|pg||
nt|warrens:  he's got 5 trump a @C and a @H, needs to develop a @S trick|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|s9|nt|Walddk2: Also good play by Zimmermann|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|sT|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Good bridge all round, a joy to watch|pg||
nt|barnets: yes maybe north had to play low|pg||
nt|barnets: he did such a great job by not leading a top spade|pg||
nt|warrens:  agreed.  gave back his advantage|pg||
nt|Walddk2: It would not even cost if declarer had guessed to rise with the jack|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h4|nt|barnets: in other room north led a top spade v 21D|pg||
nt|barnets: 2@D|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h3|pg||
pc|c7|nt|Walddk2: 2nd/4th through declarer|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg||
pc|c8|nt|barnets: looks a flat board|pg||
nt|barnets: made 3 in closed|pg||
pc|d8|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|d2|mc|8|nt|barnets: South lost his trump trick in closed|pg||
pg||
qx|c22|st||md|4ST65HAT52DK74CJ73,SQ9HQ3DAQ652CQ962,SAK42HJ96DT9CKT84,SJ873HK874DJ83CA5|sv|e|nt|joest: One of the players tonight, Bill Cole, gave up using his own convention.  It happens! :)|pg||
nt|barnets: there is no play record|pg||
nt|chorush: no, but its hard to see what else could have been lost|pg||
nt|barnets: a gambling 3N may work here|pg||
nt|barnets: except clubs dont split|pg||
nt|barnets: too bad|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=16+ unbal or 15+ bal|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: we'll see if they play 3@s is weak here|pg||
mb|1D|nt|kit: they do -- and effective here|pg||
nt|ady: 22 pts 3NT came to grief in OR|pg||
nt|ahollan1: yes bal = 15+|pg||
mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=0-7(8)|pg||
mb|1H|nt|yorkbeach:  3NT appears to be makeable|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  by EW|pg||
nt|ady: should just make|pg||
mb|1N|nt|athene: interesting that Lauria passes 1@H; i would have thought 2@C was ok with that suit|pg||
nt|ady: seems normal to open on east hand     but not to get as high as 3NT|pg||
nt|athene: they don't play support doubles, as mentioned before, so that was not an option|pg||
nt|oleberg: 1@H = 20+|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  yes @h friendly, making up for @cK offside|pg||
nt|ady: useful part score swing for Schwartz|pg||
nt|ahollan1: thanks Ole -- that wasn't on their CC|pg||
nt|athene: now 1@S would be 0-2; others 5-7 game forcing|pg||
nt|athene: 0-4|pg||
nt|pelu: where would u like to play?|pg||
nt|oleberg: 2@S shows clubs, several variations|pg||
nt|athene: east might wait with 2nt now|pg||
nt|oleberg: Single-suited a reliable sitce informs|pg||
nt|henryb:  tricky to find a safe contract|pg||
nt|oleberg: 2@S also shows 5-7 and is GF|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I have 19+ from a more reliable source|pg||
nt|athene: they will end in 3nt i suppose|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=10-15 HCP, 4+@D, unbal in 1st/2nd, not always in 3rd/4th|pg||
mb|2D|nt|joest: 4@s is a bit pushy but 'I was vulnerable at IMPs' covers a lot of ground|pg||
nt|kit: hmm -- something may have gone wrong -- East hand surely not worth 4@S if 3@S preemptive, and West hand surely not worth limit raise|pg||
nt|joest: ok 4@s is a lot pushy |pg||
nt|kit: Still, on a better day 4@S might have made|pg||
nt|athene: worth a mention here that south bids 2@D as a cue rather than 2@C|pg||
nt|roswolf: here the matter should rest|pg||
nt|athene: 2@D is more clearly a cue raise of hearts because south can't want to show diamonds naturally, after west bid them|pg||
nt|athene: given south passed over 1@C|pg||
nt|athene: but he might well have great clubs (e.g. 7 solid) and want to bid clubs naturally|pg||
nt|athene: so it's not clear 2@C should be a cue|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: looks like they play some version of what is called "XYZ" in the United Sttes|pg||
nt|oleberg: :)|pg||
nt|oleberg: 2NT = relay|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: surely west wont sit for 2@H?|pg||
nt|athene: south got a bit over-excited here, though|pg||
nt|roswolf: THAT IMO IS A GROSS OVERBID|pg||
nt|joest: States|pg||
nt|joest: 2@d = artificial game force|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i think Sontag-Weichsel were first pair to play this treatment of 1@C-1@D//1@H|pg||
nt|athene: spade lead gives you eight tricks; you only have one entry to dummy so the double diamond finesse is a bit difficult; maybe you just plot away at spades to set up the long card ...|pg||
nt|athene: there|pg||
nt|oleberg: 3@H = some 7-3-2-1|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: promotion|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  you can understand why East passed|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Bjarn PASS = 0-2@H  [else support dbl/raise]|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i hope nobody objects to me shortening west's name|pg||
pc|sA|nt|athene: 2@D says "i have a good hand with hearts", 2@H says "good for you, let's play 2@H"|pg||
nt|joest: so this shows a hand a little too big to bid 4@s directly|pg||
nt|barnets: coming|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: sorry, I actually didn't see who doubled|pg||
nt|barnets: second club|pg||
nt|chorush: will be beaten by heart 7|pg||
nt|barnets: promotes a trump trick|pg||
pc|s3|nt|athene: if he really wants, he can go 3@H saying "i have a REALLY good heart raise" but that's about all|pg||
pc|sT|nt|joest: next door meckwell have powered themselves to 4@h north-south and east-west are mulling over a save|pg||
nt|joest: all pass and 4@h looks to go down |pg||
nt|roswolf: CLEARLY SOUTH HASNT REMEMBERED HOW WEAK HIS PARDS OVERCALLS CAN BE:)|pg||
nt|joest: i'm wondering how they came to make just ten tricks|pg||
nt|ahollan1: did 2@S say anything about 4@H/@S?|pg||
nt|athene: the advantage of this sort of auction is declarer's hand is completely unknown|pg||
nt|athene: which makes the opening lead and subsequent defence extremely difficult|pg||
nt|oleberg: 2@S denied 4-card majors|pg||
nt|athene: this is a big advantage over traditional methods where opener goes around bidding his suits and stuff like that|pg||
nt|athene: of course, the downside is, that if the hand which has taken great pains to describe itself ends up as declarer, the defence is pretty much double dummy|pg||
nt|oleberg: The system is "Viking-Club", a Norweigan system with one Bermuda Bowl in its belt.|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: nothing like having the english and the danish to do commentary. opposite flags, naturalists vs. scientists...|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|athene: well done multon|pg||
nt|athene: declarer might try a variety of technical and/or psychological plays from here|pg||
nt|athene: for example cash a couple of hearts ending in dummy and lead a diamond to the jack|pg||
nt|athene: say goodbye to the @CA temporarily, trusting that the defence will have to resurrect it eventually|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|ady: looks like down 2    so 300 in each room for Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: yes it's hard to imagine a game if partner can't bid over 3@C|pg||
pc|h4|nt|vugraphzfg: Pachtmann: you have to win|pg||
pc|h2|nt|wygbe1: trump returns best|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  do you agree with West's 3@s in the OR?|pg||
pc|hQ|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|athene: and unless game is a possibility, you are risking a lot to gain little|pg||
pc|sK|nt|vugraphzfg: (in re 1st trick)|pg||
pc|s7|nt|athene: @CK a possible card now|pg||
nt|athene: when declarer doesn't play on clubs you know he has no more than a singleton in hand at most|pg||
pc|s6|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  after East had reopened with 3@d?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Thde website to scores is OK; it's just that the server is slow and can't take too many hits at a time|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room same contract played by same seat    how did that happen|pg||
pc|h9|nt|swanson: Yes, but North will fear ducking any red suit card from dummy for fear of giving up the contract.|pg||
nt|athene: south has no top heart honour and not the @H10 or @H9, so he should take that as a warning - his partner might just be bidding on a very good suit but nothing else|pg||
nt|athene: if south had better hearts it would be a lot more reasonable to be aggressive|pg||
nt|athene: since if partner hasn't got a great suit he should have a decent hand|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h5|nt|ady: kib suggest down 1|pg||
nt|ady: maybe after no cover of J@D?|pg||
nt|roswolf: seriously why south bid as he did is perplexing - surely you know the propensity of pards overcalls at this level|pg||
nt|athene: down only one is not possible|pg||
nt|athene: the defence will just play ace and a spade now|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
pc|h6|nt|athene: versace has the @HA and lauria has the @H5 for the third round of diamonds|pg||
nt|Walddk4: www.confsudbridge.org   photos from Toronto, courtesy of Catarina Robles|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if you can make 6@d, 1@H and 1@c, you just need one more trick|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  for 3NT|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hT|nt|athene: so declarer isn't getting two spades way|pg||
nt|ady: yes   then 2 down|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|athene: away|pg||
nt|henryb:  contract is clearly 4@h, which is cold on a non-trump leadand on a @s finesse if they lead trump (and no astonishingly bad breaks)|pg||
pc|c2|nt|bagman: The defense is likely to make one club and one diamond in the end game|pg||
pc|c4|nt|joest: in the other room i'm told they safety played the hearts, hence the +420|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
pc|s8|nt|athene: versace knows his partner has the @SA|pg||
nt|athene: what else can he have?|pg||
pc|s5|pc|c6|nt|athene: you mean, the best contract is 4@H? if they were actually in 4@H south would lead another heart now|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg||
nt|bagman: or maybe declarer gets the diamonds more or less accidentally|pg||
nt|ahollan1: since day 1 -- i've always liked hands where trump are never led|pg||
pc|c8|pc|d3|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pg||
nt|bagman: W knows that S has the @DK|pg||
nt|chorush:  assuming the diamond J is covered the 7 will come into its own|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @SJ seems clear to me  ---   but is there potential uppercut concern??|pg||
nt|bagman: W also knows that S has the @HA so diamonds are 3-2|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|dQ|nt|henryb:  I meant the best contract is 4@h, indeed|pg||
pc|dT|pg||
pc|dA|mc|9|pg||
qx|o23|st||md|1S7542HQ7DK72CK975,SJT86H43DA963CT62,SQ93HAK985DQ8CQ84,SAKHJT62DJT54CAJ3|sv|b|nt|barnets: 1 imp to denmark|pg||
mb|p|nt|thorvald: 1 MORE imp :-)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Flat hands at the moment, and points evenly divided|pg||
nt|barnets: North opened 1N in closed X P P back to N|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Zimmermann still thinking about the last hand - now I think he doesn't realize that Schaltz has alreay bid |pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: who ran to 2@H|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|thorvald: Knowing partner will support @s on 3-card martin prefers to bid 1NT|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|Walddk2: I think Schaltz decided that he does not have a spade suit|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Schaltz asks about leads - Z: "nothing special ... it denies the Q"|pg||
nt|thorvald: When playing on 4-3 fit the quality is more important|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sK|nt|barnets: Denmark in choppy waters 2@HX in closed |pg||
pc|s5|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d2|nt|warrens:  going up was playing for A or K8 in East|pg||
nt|barnets: they need 2 club tricks to beat it|pg||
nt|warrens:  ducking is right if E has stiff A or K or AK tight|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 2@HX calls for another Valium for the faint-hearted|pg||
nt|warrens:  if Zimmerman ducks, this will be down at least 2|pg||
nt|vivienne: licitava : costel 2cupe nae 2SA costel 3@C nae 4@D costica pass|pg||
pc|d9|pc|dQ|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I can assure you that we will not see any more comparisons from the closed room. Fantoni and Bjarnarson a deadly cocktail as far as (lack of) speed is concerned|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dK|nt|thorvald: Well Askgaard isnt playing at the light of speed|pg||
pc|dA|pc|c4|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s9|nt|Walddk2: No|pg||
nt|barnets: looks like 2@H X will go down a trick|pg||
pc|dT|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s8|pc|h8|mc|5|pg||
qx|c23|st||md|1S7542HQ7DK72CK975,SJT86H43DA963CT62,SQ93HAK985DQ8CQ84,SAKHJT62DJT54CAJ3|sv|b|nt|joest: new leaders|pg||
nt|joest: we have had a bunch of lead changes.  This match has been close throughout and remains so with 10 boards left|pg||
nt|athene: maybe south thought that the misunderstanding over 4NT meant he could take liberties - that's a rash assumption; EW don't give a whole lot away in the play or defence|pg||
nt|joest: and indeed Ginossar would have been in seroius trouble had the top heart gotten ruffed off|pg||
nt|barnets: Here Lauria played 4@S on the ead of the @CA|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: Ginossar: nice defense|pg||
nt|chorush: grand slam time|pg||
nt|barnets: looks like a grand slam here|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: versace did double|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: he was afraid his partner would bid again|pg||
nt|ahollan1: shows you what i know|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: amazingly enough, we're ahead of the other room|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but i missed Pekka's inference that since South still had !AH then trump must be 32|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: always nice to have it in the bank|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: anyone for Garbage Stayman here?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: should n bid 2c, planning to pass any response?|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson can bid 2@C puppet, and get to 2@D|pg||
nt|swanson: IT is very considerate of the players to be giving us such a close match.  Many of the realy round matches were surprising runaways.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  curious choice of contract in the OR|pg||
nt|joest: it doesn't look like he dropped the diamond king either :)|pg||
nt|barnets: 5 imps to schwarz on 53|pg||
nt|athene: will east double 1@S - 1NT (t/o of spades)?|pg||
nt|athene: he has the hcp, i suppose, but not really the shape|pg||
nt|oleberg: one very odd thing in the original book: 1@D-1@H, 1@S-2@S = 8-11|pg||
nt|oleberg: Sry, private|pg||
mb|1N|nt|joest: I would prefer to be playing 'regular Stayman' on this one|pg||
nt|kit: Of course, playing normal Stayman can and would have same auction|pg||
mb|d|nt|barnets: this was good for him|pg||
mb|p|an|alerted|nt|athene: interesting that north chooses double rather than 2@H|pg||
nt|athene: normally you bid 2@H with five and a strong hand|pg||
nt|ady: nice lay for n/s   but still seems only 11 tricks in hearts   unless diamond lead|pg||
nt|barnets: but when he misguessed the diamond suit|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: maybe they play negative free bids? (immediate 2@H would be non-forcing)|pg||
nt|ady: chance in 5@C for e/w|pg||
nt|barnets: he was dead|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Pass probably forces RDBL  to play or show certain 2-suiters|pg||
nt|bagman: W not happy if pass is transfer to XX|pg||
nt|bagman: hoping for something else|pg||
mb|2H|nt|swanson: early|pg||
nt|swanson: This is an auction where it is almost never a winning action to balance.  Don't even look at your hand.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  club suit lost in the bidding, as happens from time to time|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  bidding geared towards all the other suits|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Cohler hates to sell to 2@D with a stiff diamond, but has no convenient way into the auction|pg||
nt|joest: and that's for the best!|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: 2NT in other room, will fare a lot worse.|pg||
nt|joest: the hesitation suggests perhaps short diamonds in east and starting diamonds from the dummy|pg||
nt|athene: i still haven't found the mysterious elusive NS convention card sorry|pg||
nt|roswolf: a pass missed out here|pg||
nt|roswolf: 4@H bid by north|pg||
nt|roswolf: not west|pg||
nt|ady: west has to choose between double or overcalling diamonds|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  I would be happt yo play in a @c partial with the EW cards|pg||
nt|bagman: might become 1NT XX with about even strength with the declarer having the advantage of seeing his sides forces|pg||
nt|ahollan1: ahh  or allowing opener to bid 5+ suit|pg||
nt|bagman: Would you pass if N has XX'd denying a 5 card suit? (or run to black suit rescue)?|pg||
mb|d!|nt|joest: 1@s showed precisely three|pg||
nt|joest: 1@h showed spades|pg||
nt|joest: things might go very differently here on the @Dj lead|pg||
nt|barnets: the def appear to have 4 sure tricks from this siade|pg||
mb|p|nt|roswolf: ty|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: or just leading queen from hand|pg||
nt|barnets: south has enough now|pg||
nt|barnets: to bid 7|pg||
nt|ahollan1: tough rebid for North   i suspect 2@S woud also get some votes   unless playing Gazilli or Bart |pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: maybe only 11 tricks here|pg||
nt|barnets: well predicted|pg||
nt|chorush: spade J is a huge grand slam card|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in thinner days i did --  it never worked|pg||
pc|sK|nt|ady: should be an imp to Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: if he pulls three rounds of trumps|pg||
nt|joest: it's amazing how differently hands play from one side as opposed to the other|pg||
nt|athene: small club off dummy, hoping for @CH10 with west|pg||
nt|bagman: The defense has to be careful here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @SK = Queen or shortness|pg||
pc|s2|nt|yorkbeach:  the pre-emptive 3! raise did its job - forced the opponents to guess and they guessed wrong|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  3@s raise|pg||
pc|s6|nt|kit: fortunately he need only 8 tricks, so has margin for error|pg||
nt|barnets: the simplest line is to ruff 2 diamonds in hand|pg||
nt|bagman: they have to stay out of clubs; they also need to be careful in diamonds not to grab the ace to give a spade ruff  with a trump trick|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|henryb:  why not just drive @s taking 3@s, 3@d and 2 aces?|pg||
nt|athene: yes, i guess that might be better, true|pg||
nt|athene: club shift now to get @C@C@S@S@H@H for the defence?|pg||
nt|athene: kinda hard to find that one|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @D shift seems more likely  on the auction|pg||
pc|sA|nt|swanson: Declarer won't lead another round of trumps.  Time for a cross-ruff.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: no -- i'd like to retract that statement please|pg||
pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: too late :)|pg||
nt|henryb:  retract anything you'd like, Al|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: looks like 2nd/4th applies in middle of hand too|pg||
nt|athene: on this auction declarer should be well-stocked in both red suits, so looking for clubs to be his weak spot is not out of the question|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|ady: finesse diamond|pg||
nt|ahollan1: does that include retract foot from mouth/|pg||
nt|athene: but still very hard; he could have the @CQ|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|athene: actually i guess versace might get squeezed anyway|pg||
pc|d2|nt|ady: Q@H?|pg||
pc|d3|nt|joest: now I think I have this right:  Schwartz will be picking up this time right?|pg||
pc|dQ|pg||
nt|barnets: I wonder what X of 1@H would have been|pg||
nt|ahollan1: how did West get that right??|pg||
nt|bagman: This might take some time|pg||
nt|bagman: The defense is still in control with a diamond, a heart and 2 clubs to come|pg||
nt|ahollan1: then again -- how many would DBL 1N with East hand?  CC just says "strong"  but all of those Jacks ...|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the question is   is it clear that Askgaard has natural trump trick|pg||
pc|d8|nt|athene: spade pitch now, but then what on the @HA?|pg||
nt|barnets: by east|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: E/W not very happy|pg||
nt|barnets: des it show a 1@H overcall ?|pg||
nt|joest: good question barnet.  It might have gotten a heart lead which would have been a huge difference|pg||
nt|athene: east would have had more chance finding the club attack if he had @CQ10x|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d7|nt|henryb:  Of course, Al|pg||
pc|d9|pg||
pc|sT|nt|athene: if he comes down to @DAx declarer just leads a diamond to the queen and ducks the next one|pg||
nt|ady: squeeze on west|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room in 2@S|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Schaltz opened 1@C|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Acolites all over the world would approve|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|h2|pc|s5|pg||
nt|ady: now 12|pg||
pc|dT|nt|athene: a defender who has to guard three suits might as well give up - you always get crushed|pg||
nt|roswolf: doesnt have to|pg||
nt|ady: was aqeezed in 3 suits|pg||
nt|athene: i think that was +2, not +3?|pg||
nt|ady: squeezed|pg||
nt|roswolf: methinks only 12 tricks|pg||
nt|athene: hands where you have a big side suit fit but a thin trump suit are a real pain because you can't crossruff |pg||
nt|ahollan1: Askgaard still trying to beat 2N|pg||
nt|pelu: even in DEN we are few 1@C-openers |pg||
nt|henryb:  Helness, as you can see, made 4@h against a trump lead with only a slight slip in the defense|pg||
pc|dK|nt|yorkbeach:  yes would be a good try - if North ducks, you can make it - not that I can see a good reason to duck|pg||
nt|athene: you have to draw trumps to use your side suit but you can never do that and keep control|pg||
nt|ady: diamond now|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  why not a spade?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  not a heart anyway|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  might get out for -1 and gain 3 IMPs|pg||
pc|dA|pc|h5|pg||
nt|bagman: It was clear to West that N had the @DQ|pg||
nt|bagman: so grabbing the ace would always lose a diamond trick|pg||
nt|bagman: or set up a trick for N|pg||
nt|bagman: Now Fantoni needs a lucky club position or some kind of secondary squeeze in clubs and spades|pg||
nt|bagman: maybe JT of clubs in West|pg||
nt|chorush: Well, I would be declaring 3D unsuccesfully but it looks like the Danes will go +200 instead|pg||
nt|bagman: with JTx of clubs and a spade west, there might be a vice type of squeeze|pg||
nt|ahollan1: my connection dropping as often as dan's :(|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg||
nt|ady: I think could have made if not cashing A@D  but play Q@H   as they lay|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|h6|pg||
nt|joest: 7 imps on a kind of 'nothing' hand|pg||
pc|h7|nt|barnets: all lines work|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg||
nt|bagman: some kibs are asking if W can have a jack; if East has 13 hcp, he has to take action, otherwise NS might play 1NT with 15 hcp as neither can enter the auction|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|o24|st||md|2S94HKJT92D73CQ843,SK632HQ53DT984CA7,SJ875HA74DQCKJT96,SAQTH86DAKJ652C52|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfb: Lots of French conversation from EW - I can understand a word or two, but not enough to translate :)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Better with Danish?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: That I don't understand at all, but they haven't had any discussions yet :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: 3N by west only|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfb: and of course, like all Scandinavians, they speak outstanding English so we can chat between rounds|pg||
mb|d|an|alerted by E|mb|2C!|mb|d|an|3 !ss and a good hand|mb|3C|nt|barnets: So in 3N west has to play North for Hxx in hearts and blocks the suit|pg||
mb|3D|nt|Walddk2: They are still playing 2@HX next door as you can imagine|pg||
nt|barnets: and are going down 1|pg||
nt|Walddk2: They have promised to finish the board before midnight European time|pg||
nt|barnets: slowly|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Z asks about 3@c and Schaltz gestures to the heart and club bids, so I guess he's saying it's natural, showing the suits he bid (how unusual)|pg||
mb|p|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 1 down if he guesses hearts|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg||
nt|Walddk2: But cheap even if he doesn't|pg||
nt|barnets: a good  save if opps bid 3N|pg||
nt|barnets: which will make in all prob|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|h4|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|Walddk2: At long last 2@HX went 1 down on 23, but it cost me my last Valium|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
pc|d9|nt|barnets: nice roland :)|pg||
pc|c6|pc|d2|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|barnets: and they bid 3N as I said all along|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
nt|barnets: in the closed room|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h8|nt|barnets: 10 mins ago|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg||
nt|barnets: and this will make for a swing |pg||
mc|8|nt|barnets: to Denmark\|pg||
pg||
qx|c24|st||md|2S94HKJT92D73CQ843,SK632HQ53DT984CA7,SJ875HA74DQCKJT96,SAQTH86DAKJ652C52|sv|o|nt|joest: that is certainly one way to play it and I"ve played it that way|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: East seems unhappy with the lead, but it's hard to see what West was supposed to lead on this auction|pg||
nt|barnets: I like these hands|pg||
nt|henryb:  on board 6|pg||
mb|p|mb|2C!|nt|joest: at the other table south was see that all three players had taken calls in front of him and that the bidding was in 4@s already|pg||
nt|joest: not surprised that he didn't double though|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that's Fantonin 2@C  10-13 HCP, 5+@C unbalance|pg||
mb|2D|nt|joest: not so surprised that he didn't double|pg||
nt|joest: 3 is obviously preemptive|pg||
nt|othered1: There's been a bunch of interesting numbers in this match.  Add another from OR here.|pg||
nt|joest: now Ginossar's action is much harder.  He might just try 4@h|pg||
nt|chorush: EW are very likely to make 3NT if they can get there|pg||
mb|3C|nt|joest: 3@c = puppet stayman asking for a five card major|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if West rebids 1@s, will North take some action?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  passed in the other room - seems a but wet with a 4-loser hand|pg||
nt|barnets: and 13 possible in diamonds here|pg||
nt|chorush: another slam|pg||
nt|barnets: but 6 is better|pg||
nt|hedyg: i would like 2@H by S|pg||
nt|bagman: 2@H might show a better hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: probably|pg||
nt|bagman: Nunes supports and hopes to reach something playable|pg||
nt|bagman: and at the same time preempt the sapdes|pg||
nt|hedyg: he can still bid @H over 3@d|pg||
mb|3N|nt|yorkbeach:  bit wet|pg||
nt|chorush: wow|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  different problem...|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  South is enjoying this :)|pg||
nt|athene: 2@S perhaps from south|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  North is unlikley to have 5@s|pg||
nt|ahollan1: curious   2@H opening needs 6@H, and this hand TOO STRONG to open 2@D which could be 5 or 6 card major|pg||
nt|chorush: now, wil Fantoni-Nunes take the save?|pg||
mb|4C|nt|joest: now all Berk has to do is duck the jack of spades lead!|pg||
nt|othered1: Depending on style (or sanity level) of jump overcall, 4@H looks normal.|pg||
nt|barnets: interesting club suit|pg||
nt|barnets: dec can play for no losers|pg||
nt|joest: you would be leading the queen and then the nine right barnet?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@D would have made for an interesting auction|pg||
nt|athene: maybe the queen is the right card here|pg||
nt|athene: if it wins you can afford a diamond loser|pg||
nt|bagman: West has no filler in diamonds, single stopper and no quick tricks|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in case you weren't aware  ---  this is good stuff|pg||
nt|hedyg: Nunes has a good hand for a save, not for defense|pg||
nt|chorush: may hold their loss to down 1 in 4 clubs|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol Al|pg||
nt|bagman: but he was a passed hand so partner was probably not playing him for much|pg||
mb|4D|nt|wygbe1: 3n rates to go down on spade lead, unless w makes amazing duck of first trick|pg||
nt|joest: btw ducking is nuts|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  but no certainty of having 5@c|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: cash the @CK first, i guess, as you can only pick up 4-0 with south|pg||
nt|barnets: Schwarz misjudged board 54 when they saved in 5@C over 4@H which went down|pg||
nt|barnets: that will be a big swing to Cayne|pg||
mb|4N|nt|yorkbeach:  North knows South is either very weak or has only 3@s because South had the chance to bid 1@s over 1@h|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  defenders know too :)|pg||
nt|barnets: by leading the Q and then the 9|pg||
nt|athene: no point playing low because even if that draws the king, you will get a heart shift|pg||
nt|athene: and same with playing the ace - then if the diamonds don't come in you are a trick short anyway|pg||
nt|chorush: holy s---|pg||
nt|bagman: East took 3NT quite seriously|pg||
nt|hedyg: he thought W was strong|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: so this looks to be a push at -50|pg||
nt|chorush: magnificent|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: west and north each thought a little|pg||
nt|bagman: E has 6 diamonds and the spades|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: i got water|pg||
nt|bagman: From E point of view, 4NT might be cold and it must have some play because of the spades|pg||
nt|hedyg: and the 6th @d|pg||
nt|bagman: assuming that the defense do not take 4 first tricks|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|barnets: not far fetched on the bidding|pg||
nt|joest: agreed|pg||
nt|barnets: 2@D was a game force|pg||
nt|barnets: and 3@d was support|pg||
nt|chorush: South a long way from being finished bidding|pg||
pc|c2|nt|joest: note the spade jack as suit preference |pg||
pc|c3|pc|cA|pg||
nt|swanson: This would not be a good time for 'coded' leads where jack is top.  Declarer would find the winning duck.|pg||
pc|dT|nt|yorkbeach:  definite chances here|pg||
nt|athene: assuming you get an immediate heart shift|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|joest: yes last set another hand came up which showed that convention in a poor light|pg||
nt|wygbe1: very true|pg||
nt|joest: one of many examples I'm afraid|pg||
nt|joest: so Berk has to hope the @HA is in the right hand|pg||
nt|barnets: a sound shot|pg||
nt|barnets: this may take more time to play|pg||
nt|chorush: now all he has to do is make it. We can all see that whatever he does will work but he cannot see that diamonds are not 4-1|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
nt|ady: not a pleasant hand to play|pg||
nt|bagman: MIght be claimed asking if @SJ drops now|pg||
pc|dK|nt|kit: or South having Kx of clubs -- much less likely|pg||
nt|joest: this is halfway through the final set so the players might be taking a breather|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: little break time for the players|pg||
nt|joest: ?|pg||
pc|d7|nt|yorkbeach:  one sure entry to hand with the @hK and another possible entry by ruffing a good heart - how best to use them?|pg||
nt|athene: it's not so bad; you can fiddle around and if you go down, well it's only fifties|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  probably going to take club finesse|pg||
pc|d8|pc|h4|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|yorkbeach:  but not quite yet...|pg||
pc|h2|nt|hedyg: but the pleasure of squeezing opps!!!!!!!|pg||
pc|d9|nt|chorush: tempting to play king and start spades|pg||
nt|bagman: should have cashed AQ of spades before 3rd diamond|pg||
nt|bagman: then entries to cash if the @SJ had come down|pg||
nt|chorush: Very nice swing to the Danes, fully deserved|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: he may be hoping the spades don't work legitimately so that 5@d can't make|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
nt|barnets: a spec says he made a slam with that exact play of Q and 9 at rubber bridge no less|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Madsen didn't have weak NT  so  everybody bidding in the other room |pg||
pc|d6|nt|barnets: when it was worth some cash|pg||
nt|joest: kaching!|pg||
nt|barnets: yes that would work|pg||
nt|barnets: ruffing 2 spades in hand|pg||
nt|ahollan1: btw  Zimmermann-Multon  1NT  not-vul=10-13,  vul=15-17|pg||
pc|s4|pc|d4|nt|barnets: and setting up the fifth|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|d5|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|cK|pg||
nt|ady: now knows of sing club with west|pg||
pc|d2|pc|h9|nt|barnets: pitching the losing heart|pg||
nt|barnets: and alls well|pg||
pc|h5|pc|c9|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|yorkbeach:  and is fairly sure it is the king - West does not have an opening bid without|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  certain now :)|pg||
mc|10|nt|ady: well done|pg||
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qx|o25|st||md|3SAK4HJT2DQT95CA95,SQT9HA76D872CKQ74,S75HKQ9DKJ63CJ632,SJ8632H8543DA4CT8|sv|e|nt|barnets: but South bid on with 4@C over 3N\|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: This is not an official Denmark team, but it's good enough for me and probably all other Danes also|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|an|can skip !ds to show 4 M|nt|barnets: East bid 4N!!|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|an|12-14, can have 4 card M|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: final contract 4N|pg||
nt|barnets: and 4N will make 2|pg||
nt|barnets: too|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He needs to guess well to make 4NT on a club lead, no?|pg||
nt|barnets: exciting stuff|pg||
nt|Walddk2: sorry no, East has six diamonds|pg||
nt|thorvald: 10 top tricks|pg||
nt|barnets: he hs 10 toppers|pg||
nt|thorvald: he needs to guess the hearts on a @h lead|pg||
nt|barnets: yes he does|pg||
pc|c4|nt|barnets: but nobody bid hearts|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Zimmermann asked some questions about the NS style (when would N bid 1@d with a 4 card Major, when would S bid 1NT with one, that sort ot thing|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|nt|barnets: a club was led so 4N made|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Fantoni led a club|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Meanwhile, 1NT is a sound contract|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg||
pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s9|nt|thorvald: Should make 8 tricks without any problems|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
pc|h2|nt|Walddk2: In our other featured match Cayne is up by 18 against Lynch. No running scores from the other two quarter-finals|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Zimmermann seems to be taking a lot of thought here and I need to go to the bathroom, so I'm going to leave you for a moment and will claim when I get back|pg||
nt|Walddk2: To watch multiple tables, go to   www.bridgebase.com/mobile|pg||
nt|barnets: same contract in closed|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c25|st||md|3SAK4HJT2DQT95CA95,SQT9HA76D872CKQ74,S75HKQ9DKJ63CJ632,SJ8632H8543DA4CT8|sv|e|nt|athene: chances of a diamond-diamond squeeze for the 11th trick are a bit remote :) time to claim|pg||
nt|joest: what a friendly layout for east-west|pg||
nt|barnets: I think he played it well|pg||
nt|ahollan1: definitely some imps there   other room in 5@D|pg||
nt|hedyg: if Nunes had bid the @hs..could EW play NT?|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: bye all   |pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: meanwhile Cayne opened up 25 imp lead|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@H=10-15 HCP, 5+@H or 4441@D|pg||
mb|1N|nt|joest: Meckwell opened 2@c Precision at the other table which permitted them to compete to 4@c|pg||
nt|joest: Berk has an amazingly good hand for all this bidding|pg||
nt|swanson: Berkowitz is asking everybody to check the backs of the cards at this point.|pg||
nt|joest: cards lie very favorably for east-west|pg||
nt|kit: Cohler is lighter than Berk will be playing him for -- by quite a bit.|pg||
nt|athene: a very offensively-oriented double in the other room backfired|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Problem with that sort of overcall is always the third opponent|pg||
nt|swanson: 1@C opening looks fine to me, but I don't see any merit in a 1@D overcall.|pg||
nt|joest: of course if they roll 600 he'll forgive him|pg||
nt|athene: if you are going to double on hands like that it means partner can never ever pass them|pg||
nt|poohbear: not me|pg||
nt|hedyg: prbably not|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: this is a common misunderstanding|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  the pace may be slow but at least the systems are not too complicated|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: but four looks the limit|pg||
nt|athene: it's not enough to know a double is "takeout"|pg||
nt|roswolf: great result for schwartz in the other room|pg||
nt|athene: you have to know "HOW takeout-ish?"|pg||
nt|athene: in other words how often is partner allowed to pass it? is a decent 4-card trump holding enough?|pg||
nt|poohbear: sorry|pg||
nt|barnets: grandslam bid by Cayne in open|pg||
nt|chorush: Remember when Versace doubled 4H to keep his partner from going on. At the other table, he went on to 5 clubs doubled for 800|pg||
nt|oleberg: Wests hand is not worth a GF-relay, as 10-counts are normally opened.|pg||
nt|bagman: probably not, because then N would support to 4@H, x'd and down 2|pg||
nt|hedyg: and they could never bid 4NT over that|pg||
pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: Romex game tries apply here -- i don't remember exactly what that means  [i think can distinguish short vs long suit tries]|pg||
pc|c2|nt|athene: 2@H from north now|pg||
nt|athene: and he has shown his hand quite nicely|pg||
nt|ahollan1: OR  Ole  does 2N just get info about 3 vs 4@S and min/max|pg||
nt|athene: yes, 2nt forces 3@C to show one sort of try, and 3@D@H@S are the other sort|pg||
pc|cT|pc|cA|pg||
nt|roswolf: that is obscure|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2@S|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Welcome to Sigurbjörn|pg||
nt|bessi2: hi all|pg||
nt|athene: south will try 3@S now, i think|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: N pulled pass card then changes to 2s|pg||
nt|athene: hi good afternoon|pg||
nt|roswolf: THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  South overcalled 2NT at the other table to show 5-5 in @H and @c|pg||
nt|oleberg: I feel certain they have a method to distinguish 3 and 4-card support|pg||
nt|athene: but looks as though 2nt is something else here|pg||
pc|dT|nt|athene: south will try 3@S|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  simplifies the auction but makes it hard to find a 5-3 @s fit|pg||
nt|athene: my guess is 2nt just asking if partner has four spades|pg||
nt|ahollan1: my guess 3@D=natural, 3@S|pg||
nt|oleberg: And now: XX|pg||
nt|athene: that double might slightly backfire - is south really so sure he can beat 3@DXX?|pg||
nt|athene: i guess it's hard for west to do that as his diamonds are not great and east doesn't have to have all those honours in diamonds|pg||
pc|d2|nt|joest: has anyone ever cue bid with a hand as big as WEst's and NOT heard their partner sign off?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  you cannot do everything|pg||
pc|d3|nt|swanson: Why not 3@C with the South hand after partner rebids clubs?|pg||
nt|athene: ok, he will try 4@S :)|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
nt|kit: because that would be invitational|pg||
nt|roswolf: another double|pg||
nt|bessi2: 2@s should be non-forcing but perhaps ns haven't played together much|pg||
nt|roswolf: well only 50's|pg||
nt|athene: 2@S definitely sounds non-forcing to me|pg||
nt|athene: north had lots of ways to force, didn't he?|pg||
nt|ady: trump lead in 5@C best   with only 2 tricks outside clubs  will need 9 trump tricks|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  EW @d fit should tell North that South is void|pg||
pc|d5|nt|joest: surely Berkowitz will hit him out|pg||
nt|joest: let him out|pg||
nt|bessi2: but.. his pd did freely bid 1@s and south has a very pretty hand|pg||
nt|athene: sure|pg||
pc|d8|nt|athene: even though he has shown his hand with 1NT, in a way|pg||
nt|joest: declarer will lead two low clubs up, in case south has Kx|pg||
nt|ahollan1: wonder how they differentiate  PASS vs RDBL vs bid over that DBL|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg||
nt|ahollan1: you asked for @D partner!|pg||
nt|athene: ok so declarer is grateful to the double (club lead looks more threatening) but still he hasn't got nine tricks|pg||
nt|ahollan1: play for 3@H or 3@S??     @H seems best to me|pg||
pc|s3|nt|kit: That third opponent will get you every time|pg||
nt|wygbe1: west having trouble envisioning red v white overcall that wont produce game|pg||
pc|sA|nt|joest: a pass would have been plus at both tables and a six imp gain|pg||
nt|athene: he still has a better hand for play in spades than he might have|pg||
pc|s9|nt|athene: that is why 3@S was perfectly justified|pg||
nt|athene: as it happens with the 6-2 club split declarer might have time to get the hearts going|pg||
nt|athene: now even with two heart entries south does not have time to knock out the @CA and @CK AND force an entry to his partner's hand in spades|pg||
nt|oleberg: Not an enviable position for South. A club-switch is the only logical, but it looks like no future.|pg||
nt|athene: but of course declarer can't see the layout and might go for spades, hoping for Kxx onside|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
nt|athene: well, ok, 3@S was not ridiculous|pg||
nt|bessi2: I fell 3@s is about the value bid.. I think pass is too cautious|pg||
nt|athene: i think cayne should just have bid 2@S over 2@D, personally|pg||
nt|athene: if partner passes with 18 and 5 decent trumps and it makes +1....he has a right feel a bit miffed|pg||
nt|athene: of course Seamon never feels miffed :) but he has a right to there|pg||
nt|bessi2: agree.. that dbl was just asking for trouble|pg||
nt|bessi2: seems right to start @h's now|pg||
pc|h2|nt|yorkbeach:  chances for 12 tricks from here|pg||
nt|henrik_r:  De spiller sgu' godt, men nu er sponsor ikke pÃ¥ banen i resten af kampen, sÃ¥ det blir svÃ¦rt...|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hK|nt|athene: ok, that diamond return was very revealing|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|joest: once Cohler finds (needs) the spade ace onside he will certainly try to drop the @Hk offside|pg||
nt|joest: diamond to the king and a spade up is my best guess |pg||
pc|h3|pc|hT|nt|athene: i wonder if declarer will work out from that that south must have the heart entries and only two clubs|pg||
nt|athene: well, yes, 3@C looks ok to me :)|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|athene: otherwise a club shift would have looked more appealing for sure|pg||
nt|ahollan1: thru 28 Cayne 26-2 for the set   now leads Lynch by 24|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg||
mc|8|nt|wygbe1: down 2 now, if s wins sp and leads d|pg||
nt|ady: trumps lead  and south can play a spade early from north hand  which east hast to duck  and the 11 tricks can be made on a cross ruff|pg||
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qx|o26|st||md|4SQ3HQJT9753DA9CK7,ST92HK84D84CT9542,SAK854H6DQJ632CQ3,SJ76HA2DKT75CAJ86|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: They can make 4@H here but tough to bid|pg||
nt|warrens:  3@H now?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He did|pg||
nt|thorvald: Madsen will bid it|pg||
nt|warrens:  that should get them to game: 3N, then 4@H|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: well bid|pg||
nt|warrens:  of jsut a raise|pg||
nt|Walddk2: well done|pg||
nt|barnets: very good judgement|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg||
nt|Walddk2: It will be a new experience to see Monaco at the top of the European table next summer|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|d3|pc|hA|pg||
pc|dK|pc|hT|mc|10|pg||
qx|c26|st||md|4SQ3HQJT9753DA9CK7,ST92HK84D84CT9542,SAK854H6DQJ632CQ3,SJ76HA2DKT75CAJ86|sv|b|nt|athene: would have been 11 imps if NS had stopped in 3|pg||
nt|barnets: we are now caught up|pg||
nt|barnets: north plays 3N|pg||
nt|athene: and here for example you expect partner to lead a club anyway?|pg||
nt|athene: or is your double saying "lead this suit!"|pg||
nt|oleberg: he should have led a smaller diamond :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: or perhaps his lead|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: yeah, he wants him to lead a club|pg||
nt|athene: ok|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Board 9 was passed out? I don't believe it|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: zimmermann trying to cheer his partner up|pg||
nt|athene: so multon is saying double 3@D is just a suggestion, to help you out if you have roughly equal choice between the minors, say|pg||
nt|ahollan1: on 9  Madsen opened 3@C with Zimmermann hand -- we never thought to talk about THAT|pg||
nt|athene: and zimmerman thought it was much more of a command|pg||
nt|ahollan1: yet-another weak nt|pg||
nt|bagman: North probably not thinking that he's going to be dummy in a heart game|pg||
mb|1N|nt|barnets: in open|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room in 4@H|pg||
mb|3H|nt|hedyg: he wont |pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: 4@H for EW|pg||
nt|ady: strange to get so overboard in OR|pg||
nt|barnets: In 4@S looks as dec can lose 2 clubs - that means he has to guess how to play them|pg||
nt|chorush: I think raise is reasonable|pg||
nt|bagman: 3@H should be very sound; N raises, I guess|pg||
nt|hedyg: too much to pass in N|pg||
mb|4H|nt|athene: hard to get there, though, with only an 8-card fit, and combined 20 count|pg||
nt|oleberg: 1@D is always unbalanced|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzfg: shows 3 hearts|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: does double here show both majors or no majors?|pg||
nt|bessi2: Kranyak is doing a lot of bidding at the moment|pg||
nt|athene: now lauria might look more kindly on his @Sxxx|pg||
nt|oleberg: showing (10) 11-15|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@D=10-15 HCP, 4+@D   in 1st/2nd seat always unbal   3rd/4th maybe bal|pg||
nt|athene: surprising pass from east; you would expect 1nt|pg||
nt|oleberg: I sit corrected|pg||
nt|athene: even if you can't have game on, it looks normal to respond|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: that was a fairly horrible holding initially, but if the opponents have a nine-card fit, and you think partner can handle the force...|pg||
nt|athene: wow|pg||
nt|roswolf: rehi computer crashed:(|pg||
nt|athene: as mentioned before, versace doesn't miss a whole lot of games|pg||
nt|athene: north and south both had good hands|pg||
nt|athene: just a matter of keycards|pg||
nt|joest: 1NT = 15-17 so perhaps this is a downgrade|pg||
pc|sT|nt|bessi2: scwartz will surely bid 4s|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i've got other suits covered -- trump is YOUR responsibility|pg||
pc|s4|nt|bessi2: dbl and an easy trump lead|pg||
nt|barnets: def need a safe lead|pg||
nt|ahollan1: sorry Ole -- i was typing instead of watching you|pg||
nt|athene: maybe they play 1NT response as a relay|pg||
pc|s7|nt|barnets: thats safe|pg||
pc|sQ|pg||
nt|joest: great board a match result for n-s|pg||
nt|athene: trump lead is sort of auto here|pg||
nt|oleberg: the pass of 1@D is likely because many replies are artificial, and the hand doesn't meet the requirements|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@D-1N shows @C  by unpassed hand, not sure if passed hand|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|wygbe1: i would think dbl by w would show both majors - maybe he bid 2h for the lead, expecting to be outbid|pg||
nt|othered1: they also allow some 14's, so no 1N with 3.5 honor tricks looks unusual|pg||
nt|barnets: all roads seem to lead home|pg||
nt|athene: okie|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this lead will hold declarer to 4 -- other leads would have held declarer to 10 tricks|pg||
nt|bagman: Diamond finesse or 3rd spade when in the dummy with the @SA|pg||
nt|bagman: both work|pg||
nt|bagman: Now a top heart is marked to W|pg||
nt|ahollan1: it doesn't matter on this hand, but would you lead @S or @D from West|pg||
nt|bagman: more or less marking the @DK east|pg||
nt|chorush: which marks the diamond K in east which means that declarer doesnt have to guess 3rd spade or diamond finesse|pg||
nt|bagman: diamond trying for a ruff or overruff|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i was just going to say  if i'd been on lead  declarer would have found @DK at trick 1|pg||
pc|h4|nt|athene: i remember in bridge magazine bidding panels, when Tony Forrester thought it was obvious to double, he would just put "i lead a trump" as his proposed bid :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: North's eyes sort of rolled from side to side at dummy|pg||
nt|ady: 5 level too high    the best hope for Cayne they get that high|pg||
nt|barnets: but dec cant see friendly layout|pg||
nt|joest: Duboin mulling over whethre partner can have AJ10x|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so unpassed would have bid 1N - but for a different reason than you're thinking Bill|pg||
nt|athene: 2@H bid with north hand would have worked out better, i guess|pg||
pc|h6|nt|athene: as wilde might have said - "to reach six missing two aces might be counted a misfortune; to reach six missing two aces and the king of trumps looks like overbidding"|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|bessi2: I don't like to say it.. but I feel south got what he deserved with that 3@s bid|pg||
nt|ahollan1: duck @H means NOT 2@S|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s3|nt|ahollan1: with 2@S  win @HK play @S  then get ruff when partner wins @HA|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that's my story and i'm sticking to it|pg||
nt|chorush: would be a better story with the heart 9|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so i think Askgaard  IF he plays back @S -- it should be Jack|pg||
pc|s9|nt|joest: or if he played it there he wanted to play in the stronger trump suit|pg||
nt|henryb:  meanwhile in the other vg match the score is 18-14|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|athene: i'm told NS are a fairly new partnership|pg||
nt|othered1: They do play standard (abigouous J) leads.|pg||
nt|ahollan1:  9  our 3N   Helgemo in 4@S West after  3@C-DBL-P-4@S|pg||
pc|d5|nt|athene: and on board 6, 9 and 10 here we see the same thing|pg||
nt|athene: both players getting aggressive on the same hand|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d4|pg||
nt|joest: rises ace to block the suit in case east started wtih J10x|pg||
pc|d2|nt|athene: and ending overboard|pg||
nt|athene: it suggests each is used to playing with a "sounder" partner|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg||
nt|swanson: Could one double with 4-2-2-5, planning to pull 2@H to 3@C?|pg||
nt|swanson: to 2@S I mean|pg||
nt|joest: i suppose.  When I do that it goes 3@d on my left and partner bids 3@h :)|pg||
nt|swanson: Then you have to bid 3@S.  Just have a few values for the double.|pg||
nt|swanson: It is never far wrong just to bid one's suit, however.|pg||
nt|joest: yes|pg||
nt|joest: when I 'expand' on a convention, bad things usually happen|pg||
nt|joest: and my partner's first words: "what was double"? |pg||
nt|swanson: I've heard that a few times.|pg||
nt|roswolf: yes their styles dont seem to mesh|pg||
pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: that should get 12 imps for Bjarnarson|pg||
nt|henryb:  or even 13|pg||
nt|athene: not a clear-cut decision to bid 4@S with the west hand after 3@C X P|pg||
nt|athene: pass, 3NT possible|pg||
pc|hK|nt|barnets: now a heart|pg||
pc|s5|pc|h2|pg||
nt|bessi2: I don't think north's 4@s was aggressive at all..|pg||
nt|barnets: play has taken an age here in open|pg||
pc|c2|nt|roswolf: this will be very expensive|pg||
nt|athene: partner doesn't have to have four spades and even when he does, 3nt can be right|pg||
nt|bagman: declarer can afford to ruff a diamond high (@HK + @CA + diamond)|pg||
mc|10|nt|ahollan1: pass doesn't seem right when vul   but 3N definitely an option|pg||
pg||
qx|o27|st||md|1SA7HA95DKQ73CAK98,SKT8H832DJ984C632,S432HKT74DAT52CT7,SQJ965HQJ6D6CQJ54|sv|o|nt|barnets: 4@H in closed after east opened 1N|pg||
mb|2N|nt|Walddk2: Another dull game I'm afraid, this time 3NT|pg||
mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h8|nt|Vugraphzfb: Z asks about range "20-21"|pg||
nt|thorvald: So just 37 dull games more needed :-)|pg||
nt|barnets: thats 10 tricks to start|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s7|nt|warrens:  Thor, we know for whom you are rooting, but we do want exciting hands and a good finish|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s2|pg||
nt|thorvald: Sure, but you also know the commentator rule, that it never goes as we predict :-)|pg||
nt|thorvald: The only way I could beg for more interesting hands|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg||
nt|barnets: now can make 11|pg||
nt|barnets: there we go|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|s5|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dT|mc|11|pg||
qx|c27|st||md|1SA7HA95DKQ73CAK98,SKT8H832DJ984C632,S432HKT74DAT52CT7,SQJ965HQJ6D6CQJ54|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  absolutely :)|pg||
nt|joest: so a push|pg||
nt|joest: hard to believe but this table is now actually ahead!|pg||
nt|joest: but i am just guessing a push|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: versace did not play slowly|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I just clicked slowly, my fault|pg||
nt|barnets: then he had little chance|pg||
nt|barnets: your fault I make it against you dan|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the other vugraph match is close too Lynch over Cayne by 5|pg||
nt|athene: mini NT from Multon now|pg||
nt|athene: that guarantees a different auction from the other room, anyway :)|pg||
mb|1C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: how high now?|pg||
nt|athene: but might not matter too much; i guess NS will wander into 4@S either way|pg||
nt|oleberg: North will probably 4@S in both rooms, 1NT or not.|pg||
nt|athene: 4@S from north, if not playing transfers|pg||
nt|ahollan1: maybe 3@S preempt?|pg||
nt|athene: i would prefer to transfer if possible|pg||
nt|athene: with those red suits|pg||
nt|athene: i want partner playing it|pg||
nt|athene: 3nt is possible too actually|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@C=forcing 1 round   natural 14+ hcp or balanced 15+|pg||
mb|1D!|an|!h|nt|yorkbeach:  plenty of minor suit contracts this set|pg||
nt|barnets: :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: transfer to a mini-NT   does anybody else do this???|pg||
nt|henryb:  at imps? I doubt it. At matchpoints, maybe|pg||
nt|oleberg: Maybe North has both options|pg||
nt|ahollan1: from the '08 convention card -- it appears ALL bids starting at 2@D are transfers|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@D=0-9 HCP, 4+@H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: sorry  0-11|pg||
mb|1S|nt|athene: north in the other room treated his hand as a limit raise in diamonds (i assume that is what 3@C was anyway)|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  not obvious to reach game|pg||
nt|athene: 2@D looks a bit wet to me|pg||
nt|joest: south might get away with 2@h as a passed hand but that is still pretty pushy.|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: everyone is having a better time at the table now|pg||
mb|d!|an|cards|nt|ahollan1: it is very common over mini-NT to use Stayman and maybe 2N as the ONLY artificial bids|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: ok looks as though NS play some sort of two-way club|pg||
nt|roswolf: all roads lead to 3nt|pg||
nt|joest: i am checking their convention card now :)|pg||
nt|joest: i mean 2@c could be a raise but I would think he woudl make a negative double or something to keep hearts in play|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EVERYTHING else = to play|pg||
nt|pelu: if u hve a good system, why not use it? - I play 12-14 /15-17 AND SAME SYSTEM|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: you put a little more pressure on the 4th hand without transfers|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: especially when you bid 3@s|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Zimmermann's decision probably a hedge between  try to buy hand to make vs blast to preempt|pg||
mb|2S|nt|swanson: It might be tempting for East to make an agressive game try here.  Won't work out well.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  and to me|pg||
nt|athene: north might try 3@S now|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  trying to catch up now...|pg||
nt|athene: now he knows his partner probably has a singleton in hearts at most|pg||
nt|ady: club honors lay well for n/s   loos like they may play part score|pg||
nt|athene: he still wants his partner playing it|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and all 3/4 level responses as natural are brutally effective|pg||
nt|athene: east might be thinking about 5@D now|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so now  Zimmermann forcing to game -- so 2@H seems very silly to me|pg||
nt|athene: east might think that his partner's 2nt shows short hearts, which fits very nicely with his hand|pg||
nt|athene: well, south did double 2@S, remember|pg||
nt|athene: maybe that shows some spade support|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: it is an interesting sign of the times that partners open all 11 counts but responders keep right on making game tries with hands like east's. Everybody likes to bid :)|pg||
nt|athene: 1@C = min bal or any strong i guess|pg||
nt|athene: they might be in a 30-point-pack|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  hard for South to envisage 11 tricks facing a single raise|pg||
nt|ady: initial 2@D raise conservative|pg||
nt|athene: south will now be wondering if his partner could possibly have four spades|pg||
nt|athene: if he does, 4@S will be the spot|pg||
nt|athene: if he doesn't, it really won't, as the wrong hand is getting forced|pg||
nt|athene: playing a 4-3 fit you want the 3-card trump holding to take the force|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  if diamonds were 2-2, you might make 5@d with just one club honor right (so long as you guess well)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I think he just has a claim if he ducks, though|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: he knows the king of diamonds is on|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: so he ducks the heart and west is triple endplayed|pg||
nt|barnets: cn he get to his hand though|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: specs are saying he can return the diamond king|pg||
nt|barnets: on the @D K|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: but you still have the club plays available|pg||
nt|barnets: he cant|pg||
nt|barnets: dummy must ruff and he is stuck|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if going to game -- why give EW room to maneuver?|pg||
mb|2N|nt|athene: north might have bid 2@H intending to just bid 3@S over 2@S|pg||
nt|athene: but after south doubles he wants to play game|pg||
nt|athene: all seems fair enough|pg||
nt|ahollan1: ahh  good point  --  i missed the DBL :(|pg||
nt|henryb:  There is a lot to keep track of|pg||
nt|athene: 5@D isn't so bad, is it? has to be @CA then @HAKQ for club pitch then club ruff to get the max|pg||
nt|athene: not likely to find that defence|pg||
nt|athene: so only two down is most likely result|pg||
nt|athene: as in the other room|pg||
nt|henryb:  It is very slow. Well over 10 minutes a board. Which is not right|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|nt|pelu: :)|pg||
nt|athene: yes, molasses and/or glaciers spring to mind|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other match not playing any faster  one table on 11 the other on 12|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: 53 on the clock|pg||
nt|henryb:  or continents drifting apart|pg||
nt|henryb:  at 1cm a century or so|pg||
nt|oleberg: Paint drying|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: it all comes down to that initial evaluation from north|pg||
nt|athene: when he showed a good 3@D bid, south took the plunge|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: if Boyd leads a club this will be over before Cohler gets started|pg||
nt|joest: ok 2@c clearly conventional then|pg||
nt|barnets: the defence can only make 1 diamond play|pg||
nt|joest: nice takeout double by east|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: South does need to lead a club, however.|pg||
nt|athene: when he shows "merely" a good 2@D bid, even though that is only a whisker less...it's enough to dissuade his partner|pg||
nt|barnets: winners in hand and no way to get them|pg||
nt|chorush: that spade overcall looks like it will be worth 2 imps|pg||
pc|s8|nt|athene: cash the @HAJ and knock out the @DA for at least ten tricks i suppose|pg||
nt|ady: seems a decent raise to 3 level  ie 2@S  first round|pg||
pc|s2|nt|ady: sorry  2@H|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  in the OR, when South took the plunge, I do not think North had to have nothing wasted in hearts|pg||
nt|athene: this sort of illustrates meckstroth's maxim|pg||
nt|athene: always early in the auction|pg||
nt|athene: if you have to choose between underbidding slightly and overbidding|pg||
nt|athene: overbid!|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  still at least they were consistent - if you bid a slam on 26, you can hardly bid less than game here|pg||
nt|athene: you can't catch up if you don't|pg||
nt|ahollan1: except asia getting closer to north america   [that's what caused japan earthquake]|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: continents drift apart about 400 times as fast as that|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: director call now|pg||
nt|athene: come on Multon let's see if you can find the club lead|pg||
nt|athene: NS calling director because west paused over 4@S?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I think so|pg||
nt|athene: @HA is ok, still have time to shift to the club|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: East will probably say that he was going to sac unless west doubled|pg||
nt|ahollan1: from our perspective  either West huddled or another glitch with network connection|pg||
nt|athene: not impossible to find either i think|pg||
nt|athene: hmm..maybe it is|pg||
nt|henryb:  or South thought about whether 4@h was natural perhaps?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: while we wait     which honor do you lead from AKQ?|pg||
nt|hedyg: E went quietly at the OT so no @s lead|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|joest: Ginossar havng a tough time seeing where four more tricks might come from|pg||
nt|joest: so am I|pg||
nt|barnets: actually trump and one when with the @CA|pg||
nt|barnets: still wont help|pg||
nt|joest: a trump return, or possibly a club, seems sort of normal|pg||
nt|oleberg: Fourth best|pg||
nt|athene: another suit, apparently|pg||
pc|s7|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: sorry, bad analysis by me|pg||
nt|ahollan1: :)|pg||
pc|s6|nt|joest: is this the right major suit 7 that Cohler led?|pg||
nt|athene: "we lead the queen from AKQ, but not in that suit of course"|pg||
pc|sA|nt|athene: lots of books, bridge teachers, scholarly articles, etc say you should underbid rather than overbid|pg||
nt|athene: as "it is easy to catch up later"|pg||
nt|henryb:  I place all three on the table face down and invite declarer to choose one :)|pg||
nt|athene: multon wants to get a force going on east, so i guess a heart is the last thing he wants to lead|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Henry wins grand prize|pg||
nt|athene: but force is not likely to work against a 5-4 fit|pg||
pc|sK|nt|barnets: nothing helps def|pg||
nt|bagman: declarer likely to grab his 9 tricks instead of trying for an overtrick with risk going down in a cold contract|pg||
nt|hedyg: the lead was...........the 8@H!|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|barnets: this is more diff slam|pg||
nt|chorush: Declarer has a way to go set here, If he draws trumps he may think he can just led the club J, but a spade return would then leave him a trick short|pg||
nt|chorush: well they opened 2NT so he didnt havemuch choice|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d4|nt|athene: they are wrong and meckstroth is right|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  it depends upon whether your bid is likely to end the auction|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  no good planning to catch up later if your bid is liable to end the auction|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if you saw prize -- maybe not so grand|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pg||
nt|joest: the auction just ended in the open room and they too are in 3@d|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d8|nt|wygbe1: might find club shift now|pg||
nt|chorush: Yet that line seems less risky than ruffing diamonds|pg||
pc|d5|nt|swanson: A bit of a ping-pong match here.|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: its called table tennis not ping pong btw|pg||
nt|ahollan1: NS 2N=21-22|pg||
nt|bagman: E needs to find 3 discards|pg||
pc|c4|pg||
nt|swanson: Seems like the only possibility for three more tricks.|pg||
nt|joest: Spector will be winning 1 or losing 4|pg||
nt|swanson: Depends on whether a small white ball is involved, maybe.|pg||
nt|chorush: West will have to find spade shift|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: i bet Kaplan Rubens evaluates hand higher than 20|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
nt|barnets: unlucky|pg||
nt|barnets: lie|pg||
pc|dT|pc|cJ|nt|athene: yes, that is a factor|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  I am a believer in getting one's hand off one's chest|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d9|pg||
nt|hedyg: no bets Al, we want proof|pg||
pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|nt|warrens:  well done|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
nt|barnets: well defended|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c7|nt|poohbear: very berk like|pg||
nt|ahollan1: how does the committee rule -- is it reasonable for East to PASS|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: 2N showed some values|pg||
nt|athene: depends what 2@S showed|pg||
nt|athene: was 2@S michaels or just a t/o double |pg||
nt|athene: if the former, he doesn't really have the extra shape to bid at the 5-level, in my opinion|pg||
nt|oleberg: Also, to adjust the score, the huddle should indicate that bidding on is better than the alternative|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Dan -- did anyone ever question 2@S??|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: east could have bid more than just 3@d if he had agood hand and north passed 2N|pg||
nt|oleberg: It's never iron clad, but here I think the huddle indicates it|pg||
nt|athene: some play that x of 2@H is a t/o X of spades, and hence the cue can be michaels|pg||
nt|athene: maybe what we ought to do is play board 12|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: East is saying that he was waiting to see if West doubled 4@s because he didn't know whether north had a good hand or a weak hand|pg||
nt|athene: to quote someone or other - i was a young man when this hand started|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: now South and West are debating how many minutes West paused for over 4@s|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|h4|pc|s9|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 21.00    http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi|pg||
pc|c8|nt|barnets: the Italians have played in good form this set|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
pc|sT|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg||
nt|barnets: 1 imp for cayne|pg||
nt|joest: so another imp for Cayne and the match remains, I'm sure, the closest one right now in the Spingold|pg||
nt|joest: it looks like theplayers might be taking a break|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if only i could do that with stocks :(|pg||
nt|hedyg: Fantunes very rarely upgrade|pg||
nt|chorush: I was only off by 3 tricks|pg||
mc|12|pg||
qx|o28|st||md|2ST987HQJ8DAJ74C65,SAJH96DT32CKQJ732,SK6532HA52D86CT98,SQ4HKT743DKQ95CA4|sv|n|nt|barnets: a spade lead likely holds dec to 9 tricks|pg||
nt|barnets: and east bid spades in closed|pg||
nt|barnets: after strong club|pg||
nt|barnets: so could be 2 more imps|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Another 3NT, by East?|pg||
nt|thorvald: Whats your opinion on different boards in the matches, are security more important than the comparison, entertainment etc ?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: By West I mean|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|4+ !hs|mb|p|mb|2C!|an|6 !cs, not 3 !hs|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|asking|nt|warrens:  a @D lead and a @S back beats 3NT by W, but that's pretty hard to find|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: need to lead a diamond to beat 3N|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Double dummy|pg||
mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|warrens:  oops|pg||
nt|Walddk2: wow|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: now spade lead easier|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Qx is often a good holding for notrump but not here|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Could easily have been right, just give South @SK|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Schaltz asks about auction Z: "he has 4+ @hs and he just relayed ... I showed 6-7 clubs and nothing special"|pg||
pc|sT|nt|warrens:  better, give partner Axx of @S, then East's bid is ideal|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c6|nt|barnets: the def slipped abit on last 3n allowing dec to make 12 tricks|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c9|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|h3|pc|d4|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|barnets: so that was 1 point to monaco|pg||
pc|h2|pc|d5|nt|warrens:  the key to this hand is that S has to keep 1 @H, that's all|pg||
pc|hQ|pg||
nt|Walddk2: You sound like the European Song Contest, Barnet. Monaco 1 point|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h5|pc|h4|nt|Walddk2: Must be a bad song|pg||
nt|barnets: didnt see that for long time|pg||
nt|thorvald: If West have A of @H he has 9 tricks|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
pc|c3|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|s8|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c28|st||md|2ST987HQJ8DAJ74C65,SAJH96DT32CKQJ732,SK6532HA52D86CT98,SQ4HKT743DKQ95CA4|sv|n|nt|wygbe1: they found it on the third opportunity|pg||
nt|joest: i would say +600 is a fine result here|pg||
nt|athene: is there a break for dinner after this set?|pg||
nt|chorush: I feel for Ginossar because I would be set too|pg||
nt|oleberg: The meaning of 2nt, as opposed to pass and XX is probably importent.|pg||
nt|bagman: Asgaard made the assumption that his partner had the @CK|pg||
nt|ahollan1: since 1@C forcing, not really any need to upgrade|pg||
nt|bagman: If declarer had @HA and and AK of clubs, he had 9 tricks|pg||
mb|2C!|an|natural, 10/11-15|nt|yorkbeach:  if there is time :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: a 2@C opener even Hedy would make|pg||
mb|2D!|an|asking, inv+|nt|bessi2: 6@d makes.. but not a slam you want to be in|pg||
nt|athene: i think if you are debating "how many minutes", it counts as a break in tempo :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: 3@c over 2@s would be pass/correct|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: 2@s was @h + minor|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW can open 1N with 11 -- but i guess that needs good 11 rather than favorable vul|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: the Italians raised to 3@h (weak) in the replay|pg||
nt|joest: this seems like a straightforward 4@s call|pg||
mb|3C!|an|minimum, no major|nt|ady: ambitious 5@C   did well to get out down 1|pg||
nt|joest: three ten nine combinations, the fourth ten ( as a kicker) and a fifth spade|pg||
nt|joest: this is more than 'a ten count' imho|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@D=relay, inv+|pg||
nt|hedyg: see? thats the kind of suit i like for the precision 2@c opening :p|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  agree with North's overcall here|pg||
nt|barnets: it would take a 5-1 diamond split to stop it making playing diamonds provided trumps split which was likely|pg||
nt|ahollan1: we've seen this all before -- but this time opener has GOOD suit|pg||
mb|3H|nt|kit: Here puppet will conceal North's 4-card heart holding|pg||
nt|joest: I'msure Rodwell played it well but it seems he might have received a helping hand|pg||
nt|kit: So likely to get heart lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: East will know declarer has four hearts and South four spade by the time this is over and will avoid a major suit lead.|pg||
nt|kit: yes Jack, a mis-discard at the end|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  will be hard to apply the breaks now West has reversed|pg||
nt|ady: can keep out of game on this auction|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  how?|pg||
nt|athene: was that a typo for "can't"? :)|pg||
nt|ady: would 4@C be absolutely forcing|pg||
nt|ady: if 3@D is forcing to game  best just to rebid 3@C  especially with partner bidding hearts|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 3@H forcing|pg||
nt|ahollan1: now 3N?|pg||
nt|chorush: Better grab it while he can. there are limits to science|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @S blackjack too positional to do anything else|pg||
mb|3S|nt|athene: 2@S showing values i guess, suggesting to partner that notrumps will be wrong if he has a singleton club|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  leaves room for partner to bid 3@d|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: no, North's heart holding concealed|pg||
nt|joest: well this will be ahuge pick up just when Spector needed it|pg||
nt|athene: i would never pass 4@C with east on this auction|pg||
nt|joest: I'm not sure what this shows as opposed to a direct 3@s|pg||
nt|joest: even in my own partnerships! :)|pg||
nt|othered1: In the days of the Blue Team, the great Italians used to double off-pattern.  Guess they're more structured now.|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|nt|joest: Sementa probably playing him for some slow ten count with a four card spade suit but I am just guessing|pg||
nt|barnets: strange|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so much for telepathy|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: I don't like that 3N bid very much.. why not 3@c|pg||
nt|ady: because you would expect more from opener?|pg||
nt|athene: well just because i would never be sure it was non forcing|pg||
nt|joest: they will discuss this at the bar though for sure|pg||
nt|barnets: that board may put the match out of reach|pg||
nt|athene: wow, south likes his hand|pg||
nt|henryb:  In 2/1 I guess you have to respond 1N|pg||
nt|athene: south has a nice hand if his partner raises hearts|pg||
nt|athene: not otherwise though|pg||
nt|henryb:  Well, North melds 100, 120 if @s is trump|pg||
nt|pelu: Ss hand show why I dont like to play 21hGF|pg||
nt|henryb:  that's the only redeeming feature of his hand|pg||
nt|ahollan1: great catch Henry|pg||
nt|athene: interesting the club suit here is similar to that on board 7, in 2nt|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@H did not establish game force -- but 3@C probably did|pg||
nt|athene: lead problem for east|pg||
nt|athene: declarer will have decent diamonds here, maybe four, even five|pg||
nt|athene: but still diamond lead is ok with good texture i suppose|pg||
nt|pelu: So S could pass 2@s? that would be a normal bid!|pg||
nt|henryb:  Other match is tied at 19 after I think 13 boards|pg||
nt|henryb:  we are up to 11 minutes a board and slowing down|pg||
nt|ahollan1: did they start on time?|pg||
nt|henryb:  3 minutes late or so|pg||
nt|athene: glaciers have given way to the build-up of fossil records...the collapse of stars into red dwarfs....Barnet Shenkin's opening leads...|pg||
nt|athene: i am running out of metaphors|pg||
nt|ahollan1: american congress  doing    well anything other than posturing|pg||
nt|henryb:  but that time, I presume, was spent on system discussion, which counts as part of playing time|pg||
nt|oleberg: They don't have running scores for these matches. but maybe walking scores would be an idee.|pg||
nt|henryb:  or waking scores?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in vaudeville   that would get a 'rim shot'   ba da bump|pg||
nt|henryb:  tune in tomorrow morning for the first quarter results?|pg||
nt|oleberg: Maybe we have lost connection again|pg||
nt|ahollan1: does ACBL have any evidence to support the idea that their KOs are timed events??|pg||
nt|pelu: Monaco played Denmark i Bonn grand nations - same Monaco Team, but Den was the Senior team - the fight wasOT to be last :):)|pg||
nt|henryb:  been 6 minutes since the auction ended|pg||
nt|ahollan1: we may be lost in cyberspace again|pg||
nt|oleberg: Can the operator confirm the lead has yet to be made?|pg||
nt|athene: Monaco might be my pick for this autumn's bermuda bowl actually - they have this four plus fantunes don't they?|pg||
mb|p|nt|chorush: Fantoni made good nondouble which would have let them get it right |pg||
nt|ahollan1: i wish i knew more about their agreements   3@S instead of 3N is confusing without a playbook|pg||
pc|sT|nt|barnets: he had already passed so could not be forcing|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|joest: Robinson's heart suit concealed off this puppet auction|pg||
nt|joest: Berk will discourage|pg||
pc|sK|nt|kit: Means declarer will get the heart suit right eventually, but still only 8 tricks unless a misdefense|pg||
nt|ady: then best for west to supress 2nd suit when the auction has taken a bad turn|pg||
pc|s4|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  at matchpoints you might  take view but not in an important match|pg||
nt|athene: yes, 3@C over 2@S was an option|pg||
nt|athene: it's difficult; partner might of course pass 3@C with something horrible like 5-5 in the reds|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  North should have a count on the spade suit|pg||
nt|chorush: It would also take a 5-1 club split on the wrong side this way|pg||
pc|s2|nt|joest: looks like upside down discouragement|pg||
nt|swanson: Wouldn't the 7 (instead of the 6) be a bit easier for East to read?|pg||
nt|joest: agreed|pg||
nt|kit: a lot easier John -- I don't think the 6 is readable|pg||
nt|kit: Note that Robinson played the 4, giving his own encouraging signal|pg||
nt|joest: on the general theory that declarer must adopt the defender's signalling methods|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s9|nt|kit: If Cohler does continue hearts, I think Robinson will have very good chances|pg||
nt|joest: the demonstrably correct theory|pg||
nt|athene: but with a lot of those hands partner was doubling 1@S rather than bidding 2@H|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c8|nt|barnets: looked like an immediate 3@S|pg||
nt|barnets: may have worked better|pg||
nt|joest: so schwartz regains the lead|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c5|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  could be -2|pg||
pc|c4|nt|barnets: both slams bid and made by n/s were flat|pg||
pc|c6|nt|kit: Just what will Berk discard on 4 rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|swanson: A good thing to remember is that, as declarer, you want to use the same signals the opponents use: low if you want LHO to continue, high to discourage.|pg||
nt|joest: north has shown up with 12 so Duboin might play south for the club kig|pg||
nt|joest: king|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: endplay, doesn't matter|pg||
pc|cK|nt|warrens:  this looks like a good stop.  still have to find the @S Queen|pg||
pc|c9|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  declarer guessed the diamonds well in the OR to escape for -1|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|kit: Unfortunately Robinson chose to attack diamonds first -- now defense will be a lot easier|pg||
nt|barnets: he has a discard|pg||
pc|cT|pc|h3|pc|d4|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|h2|pc|d5|nt|hedyg: Nunes needs to disc his @ss|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
pc|c7|nt|kit: Now a diamond back, and no more pressure on West|pg||
nt|athene: the fourth club was a valuable threat against west but of course declarer did not know that|pg||
pc|d8|nt|joest: plus diamonds break when you work those first|pg||
pc|h4|pc|s7|pg||
pc|c3|nt|joest: yes a strip squeeze looms absent that|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h7|nt|vugraphzfg: duboin thought about claiming when pachtmann took the heart|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: his eyes and shoulders shrugged, but he held off|pg||
pc|h8|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|nt|joest: Berk needs to blank the diamond|pg||
nt|wygbe1: yep has a chance now|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dA|pg||
nt|kit: Now West can be end-played -- if he reads it|pg||
pc|hQ|mc|7|pg||
qx|o29|st||md|3SQHJT32DT43CAK862,ST743HAK54DA7CJ54,SK85H6DKQJ962CQ93,SAJ962HQ987D85CT7|sv|b|nt|warrens:  nice play for -2|pg||
nt|thorvald: Interesting unblocking of spades|pg||
nt|barnets: wrongsided in closed as well|pg||
nt|warrens:  did risk the contract if declarer could read it|pg||
mb|1D|nt|Walddk2: Luck of the draw I would say|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: west could have bid 3N but chose 3@S|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Give South Kxxxx and it's a winner|pg||
nt|barnets: same lead so will be flat|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|nt|thorvald: I agree declarer had a teoretical chance, but show me a player that would have been able to read that distribution|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|thorvald: Nunes also discarding spades in the other room|pg||
pc|hA|nt|Walddk2: Declarer could actually have made after South's first unblock|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Heart|pg||
nt|Walddk2: So it was not as pretty as it looked|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|h2|pg||
nt|warrens:  most of us would have been content with 3@D as S, but Schaltz went for the vul game.  dummy will be disappointing|pg||
pc|h4|pc|c3|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hJ|nt|barnets: def have to cash @SA to beat it|pg||
pc|hK|nt|barnets: when diamond knocked out|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|warrens:  10 of @S now and -2|pg||
nt|Walddk2: any spade will do for down 2|pg||
nt|warrens:  yes, of course|pg||
nt|barnets: hard to let it through|pg||
nt|barnets: has to play another heart and then misguess what to do|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Although declarer could have stronger spades and weaker clubs|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Again it's so easy for us to see|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|barnets: 3@D in closed|pg||
nt|barnets: anything but a spade is down 1|pg||
nt|warrens:  I think E can see that this is going down unless declarer has AKxxxxx of @C|pg||
nt|warrens:  so a @S back looks pretty safe|pg||
nt|warrens:  but he might play a @D to be sure|pg||
nt|barnets: he is considering souths 3n with a singleton spade|pg||
nt|warrens:  a @C is unnecessary|pg||
nt|barnets: and how that is not likely|pg||
nt|warrens:  I mean a @D is unnecessary|pg||
nt|warrens:  but he want want to prevent a first round duck if declarer has AKxxxx of @C|pg||
nt|warrens:  he might want to ...|pg||
nt|barnets: 3N was a youthfull bid|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Jan may well have a tough job when she must select the two matches for the second half. The bridge is good in all matches, so we will obviously accept the ones we get|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: Had the @c 7 out to play and then put it back|pg||
nt|thorvald: Somehow Closed room have managed to get in front starting board 30 now|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfb: now took a spade out and put it back|pg||
nt|barnets: this will be 6 or 8 to Monaco|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c29|st||md|3SQHJT32DT43CAK862,ST743HAK54DA7CJ54,SK85H6DKQJ962CQ93,SAJ962HQ987D85CT7|sv|b|nt|kit: what really happened at the end?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: huh?|pg||
nt|joest: what?|pg||
nt|joest: operator did Robinson endplay Berkowitz?|pg||
nt|wygbe1: west must have stiffed the diamond|pg||
nt|athene: 2@C a bit of an underbid here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: of course 3N wasn't cold from West hand -- but would have been interesting to see Fantoni lead|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@D=10-13 HCP, 5+@D, unbal|pg||
nt|ahollan1: great example of perfect fit and distribution overcoming shortage of HCP|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but those pesky 3 aces for defense|pg||
nt|bagman: In the open room they are in 3NT; here Nunes might look for 5@D (Axx x Qxx KQJ9xx) but not for 3NT|pg||
mb|2D|an|10-13, !d|nt|athene: 3@C would get them to 3nt|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  someone useful looking results coming up for NS in the OR|pg||
nt|ady: 20-20  here   if Cayne can keep out of trouble can have a pick up here|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  chance for Cayne to get a few IMPs back|pg||
nt|athene: somewhat peculiar decision from south in the other room to pass over the 1@D overcall|pg||
nt|othered1: At the moment the Wagar final is closer than this match -- in a dead tie.|pg||
mb|2H!|an|relay, inv+|nt|joest: whatever happened, that was a big chance that got away|pg||
nt|barnets: here south is in 3N|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: indeed.. 2@c would not be an option for me.. 2N or 3@c both look ok to me|pg||
nt|athene: it's interesting how you should play these clubs|pg||
mb|2S!|an|some singleton|nt|athene: bash from the top gains against QJ, Q9  or J9 falling|pg||
nt|barnets: on a club lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: but finesse the 10 first is possible|pg||
nt|bessi2: depends on where you win the first trick perhaps.. if a small @d lead to the 7 then you don't really want to cross to dummy for that play|pg||
nt|athene: can't he bid his spades or something|pg||
nt|ady: 4 down in 3@H seems a lot|pg||
nt|joest: the big question there is: can west find the duck of the heart ten from dummy?|pg||
nt|othered1: Your action on south's hand?|pg||
nt|barnets: that is still just 8 tricks|pg||
nt|chorush: Aaron Haspel has suggested an improvement to declarers line in 6H which seems right to me. Play 2 rounds of trumps leaving the heart Q in dummy then run the club J. If clubs are ...|pg||
nt|chorush: indeed 5-1 the way they were but the opponent with the singleton has only 2 trumps, you will still make it. This seems to give up nothing except rho having 6 clubs and you still ...|pg||
nt|chorush: have chances then|pg||
mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: 2@h = RELAY, INV+|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  yes bidding 1@s seems normal|pg||
nt|barnets: 9 if he ducks it !!|pg||
nt|joest: i think I would guess 3NT|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i don't know the responses :(|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@d nf|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Hedy -- do you know what 2@S showed?|pg||
nt|hedyg: no|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: and declarer works it out|pg||
nt|othered1: I like south's pass, even vulnerable.  Just a crap shoot whether partner can use those @H effectively and current methods don't allow for that investigation.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: probably shows supper @C fit|pg||
nt|athene: yes and asks for a stopper :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but no @S stop|pg||
nt|henryb:  and looks for @s stopper|pg||
nt|athene: north should have just passed quietly and he might have been on lead against 3nt very shortly|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: if you have the @C9|pg||
nt|joest: so the Israelis are playing for far lower stakes|pg||
nt|barnets: well 3@S is down a trick|pg||
nt|bagman: missed 4@D|pg||
nt|hedyg: surely showed something in @s|pg||
nt|bagman: well bid|pg||
nt|hedyg: not what Nunes was looking for|pg||
pc|h7|nt|bessi2: hmmm.. a mute point since clearly 3N will be played from the south side :)|pg||
nt|roswolf: well this looks gin on that lead|pg||
nt|athene: if you have the @C9 then you bash them from the top|pg||
nt|athene: gaining against 3-3 or Qx or Jx|pg||
nt|athene: or singleton honour if you have the 8 as well|pg||
nt|roswolf: on this lead you can set up the hearts|pg||
nt|roswolf: a good swing likely for schwartz|pg||
nt|athene: an interesting hand - my guess is he will just bash out three rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|athene: a spec suggests he might go for 3 diamonds and 3 spades|pg||
nt|athene: but the diamonds are a bit blocked|pg||
nt|athene: sure he can lose one and then finesse against the honour-8|pg||
nt|athene: but he is short of entries to hand|pg||
nt|bessi2: indeed.. it the 6 and 7 of @d were reversed that would work|pg||
nt|barnets: on 58 cayne also were down but down 2 in 4@S|pg||
nt|hedyg: ahhhhhh ty Dan :)|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hA|nt|joest: the third and final no trump|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
nt|roswolf: 3@H +3@s+2@C+1@D IF YOU PLAY ON HEARTS FIRST|pg||
nt|barnets: where we saw the clubs misgueesed|pg||
nt|hedyg: and Nunes decided not to ask where|pg||
nt|bagman: Give Fantoni the @SA instead of the @SK and he would have certainly continued|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if 2@H=INV+  then Fantoni would move with a better hand|pg||
pc|d7|nt|joest: i'm getting a lot of questions about what happened at the end onthelast hand.  Operator can you clear it up by any chance?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N was a bit heavy according to 2010 CC   but after 1@S  11-14 is tough range to play|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|yorkbeach:  Sementa led a low @d from Kx and declarer guessed everything wrong|pg||
nt|barnets: Declarer took a heart finesse and lost an extra trick|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d3|pg||
nt|bessi2: Kranyak had thought for some time.. certainly about the club play we have been discussing|pg||
nt|roswolf: going for the clubs|pg||
nt|joest: Some norths would rebid 2@c, then over south's 2@h would bid 2@s|pg||
nt|henryb:  10+-16 works okay|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or what bagman said |pg||
pc|s5|pc|sA|nt|joest: that bid is pretty delicate though|pg||
nt|barnets: so dec in 6@H on same lead of trump on 59 Duboin playing the hand|pg||
nt|athene: you really have to have quite a wide range for 1nt after a spade overcall|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: exactly right Bill|pg||
nt|athene: you don't want to double and have to bid 2nt just on some 15 or something|pg||
nt|athene: it's easier after 1@C|pg||
nt|athene: you could double with some confidence you will get to rebid 1nt|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|athene: sorry i mean 1nt balance after a spade opener :)|pg||
nt|bagman: If Fantoni passes 3@D, Nunes can be fairly sure that they have missed nothing|pg||
pc|d8|nt|loe48: i think 2c rebid is correct|pg||
pc|d4|nt|barnets: he did not duck the @H in the open|pg||
nt|barnets: yes it is strange dec did not use his 2 entries|pg||
nt|barnets: to fin clubs|pg||
nt|joest: so they may well go down 1 and push this board|pg||
pc|dA|nt|othered1: I prefer that auction, but I don't know the NS methods enough to know if that was available|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|barnets: as if he knew it was wrong|pg||
nt|barnets: somehow|pg||
nt|joest: right ed.  I don't either|pg||
mc|10|nt|joest: Sorry folks.  I haven't been successful in finding out what happened|pg||
pg||
qx|o30|st||md|4S7HT632D943CA8742,ST6HQJ5DJ52CKQT96,SKQJ82HA4DAKQ86CJ,SA9543HK987DT7C53|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfb: Zimmermann was happy with the lead to his @d A|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: said "thank you Franck" as he won it|pg||
mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: If Schaltz does not pass, they are in game|pg||
mb|p|nt|thorvald: 5@D looks like the game to be in|pg||
nt|barnets: 5@D looks down a trick|pg||
nt|barnets: because of bad break|pg||
nt|barnets: in spades|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Never pass with an ace some say|pg||
pc|s3|nt|Walddk2: Do you subscribe to that theory, panel?|pg||
nt|barnets: 4@D in closed|pg||
nt|barnets: I would not pass|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sT|nt|barnets: but I never pass|pg||
pc|sJ|pg||
nt|warrens:  I wouldn't either|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|c2|pc|s6|pg||
nt|thorvald: Green - I think its fine bidding - if Red I agree always to bid with an ace|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|nt|barnets: almost never on any hand |pg||
pc|c4|nt|warrens:  having 4 @h's makes passing more dangerous|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg||
nt|warrens:  making 3|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg||
nt|warrens:  for a push|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|s5|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|s9|pc|h2|mc|9|nt|barnets: 5@D is a decent contract and makes with spades 4-3|pg||
pg||
qx|c30|st||md|4S7HT632D943CA8742,ST6HQJ5DJ52CKQT96,SKQJ82HA4DAKQ86CJ,SA9543HK987DT7C53|sv|o|nt|roswolf: a good gain|pg||
nt|bessi2: Schwartz superior judgment with that 3@c bid earned his side 10 imps|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  7 IMPs back|pg||
nt|ady: still the gap closed|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  another chance for Cayne|pg||
nt|athene: west should surely have redoubled 2@D in the other room rather than bidding 2@H|pg||
nt|othered1: was there a case for taking the @C finesse at trick 2?|pg||
nt|joest: while you had the entries.  It seems to me, yes|pg||
nt|loe48: deffinately should finesse club trick 2 imo|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: east claimed 10 unless @hKQ were with long diamonds|pg||
nt|ahollan1: cayne over lynch by 24  [they've finished 2nd set]|pg||
nt|ahollan1: scores get posted to  http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-8|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I think everyone else has finished the 2nd set|pg||
mb|p|nt|bessi2: or at least his judgment was superior result wise|pg||
nt|athene: firstly he has equal length majors|pg||
nt|athene: secondly it will be worth a bit for east to be declarer|pg||
nt|ahollan1: seminal book on balancing by Mike Lawrence shows how 1N range should slide according to which suit opened|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@C=16+ unbal or 15+ bal|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: both to conceal the strength and to have the lead run up to the stronger hand|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: hmmm, 5@C might be preferable to 4@H here|pg||
nt|ady: e/w out  of trouble|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  many pairs do not have a penalty X of a strong 1NT available|pg||
nt|oleberg: Pass shows weakness, 0-4 I believe.|pg||
nt|athene: well, not much point double being t/o of clubs|pg||
nt|ahollan1: DBL = majors   but how many in each :)|pg||
nt|athene: if it's a strong club|pg||
mb|1S!|an|14+, f1|nt|ady: what was 2@C|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that's the only posted score so far|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: it would be nice if 3@c were forcing opposite a passed hand but i don't think it is|pg||
nt|joest: that leaves the 'agricultural' 3NT call i guess|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: on board 60 it was a correct claim of 3nt making|pg||
nt|athene: 4@H needs hearts 3-3 onside|pg||
nt|athene: 5@C might make even on 4-2 hearts, as long as the king is right|pg||
nt|roswolf: i like 5@C|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  assume @c and another|pg||
mb|1N|nt|joest: we believe you operator.  WE just don't know how|pg||
nt|wygbe1: 3n by east down on h lead, but 3n by west should make|pg||
nt|joest: b/c hearts block|pg||
nt|kit: big chance for swing here -- 5@C cold, as is 3NT by West|pg||
nt|joest: maybe 3@c should be forcing |pg||
nt|joest: this hand would talk me into it|pg||
nt|wygbe1: they could try 6c, down |pg||
nt|athene: even on a bad break you have extra chances, like @DQx or a red squeeze|pg||
nt|athene: if west has limited his hand to 0-4 with his first pass, he might feel he has enough to wade in here|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  DONT?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@S=forcing  5+@S  usually 14+ HCP, maybe fewer with @S & @H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N= YOU MADE ME BID|pg||
mb|2N|an|6+-4 or 5+-5+|nt|athene: north passed assuming it was clubs and hearts|pg||
nt|athene: i guess|pg||
nt|athene: it could have been meckwell i.e. clubs and a major|pg||
nt|ady: is there not a rule with a limited hand  not to bid again opposite a passing partner?|pg||
nt|henryb:  and if partner has majors, why bid 1@s instead of 1@h?|pg||
nt|athene: well, it lets you bid 2@H later and offer a choice? :) no, wait, you only do that when you actually have the majors|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i think 2@C = natural OR  artificial 17+ unbal|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: that is also possible|pg||
nt|roswolf: HMMM another lapse by the normally impeccable italians|pg||
nt|athene: i guess he just bid his better major|pg||
nt|athene: south might bid 2@D now or double or something|pg||
mb|3C!|an|asking|nt|kit: wrong-sided now|pg||
nt|wygbe1: uh oh, wrongsided nt|pg||
nt|kit: And I would expect Boyd to choose his stronger suit to lead|pg||
nt|joest: of course 3@c now is forcing but it suggests spade shortness.  Berkowitz with an impossible bidding problem in standard (imho)|pg||
nt|kit: unless 2@H was real|pg||
nt|swanson: Tough for South to find a heart lead, expecting four hearts at his left.|pg||
nt|athene: yuck to 3@S in both rooms|pg||
nt|roswolf: south may kick himself|pg||
nt|joest: the cards don't lie as well this time as they did on  41|pg||
nt|barnets: no not at all|pg||
nt|barnets: He won trump cashed a second high trump|pg||
nt|barnets: and ran the @Cj|pg||
nt|barnets: the def cant beat him now|pg||
nt|barnets: he has 2 sure entries to his hand|pg||
nt|athene: and north will give preference|pg||
nt|athene: and then thank his partner for the dummy in 2@S, or not of course|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: might north think that south is 4531 now?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: 4x1|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I thought 2N was a 6-4|pg||
nt|ahollan1: oh    2N=18+ HCP, 5+5+ or 6+4|pg||
mb|d|nt|athene: 4333 hands are unspeakably evil|pg||
nt|athene: a spec suggests that perhaps it was west who bid 2@D|pg||
nt|barnets: the @HQ and spase ace|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i missed that in first scan :(|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
mb|3S!|an|5+!s, 5+!d|nt|athene: west who bid 2@C, sorry|pg||
nt|athene: will he thank his partner for the dummy in 2@SX? that is a sterner test of partnership harmony|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: the best u will attain with 3@S is to go -100 in 3@S two off vs -130 defending clubs|pg||
nt|athene: to gain 1 imp|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@s?|pg||
mb|4D|nt|yorkbeach:  yes but love all is a good time for competing the partscore|pg||
nt|athene: and decided to pass 2@D before the opponents woke up and brought out the axe|pg||
nt|othered1: does 2N feel conservative to you?|pg||
nt|athene: this is all sort of surreal|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i seem to recall a pair [sweden or netherlands] that play the DBL as (43) Majors  that would fit Multon's actions|pg||
nt|henryb:  can he hold it to down 2 for a push?|pg||
nt|oleberg: North intended to bid 2@H, but West beat him to it.|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: berkowitz hopes his 2@h call at least served to ward off a heart lead|pg||
nt|joest: and it did|pg||
nt|kit: LC says natural, so will lead spade|pg||
nt|kit: and match is very close again with 2 more boards -- and 63 won't be dull|pg||
nt|pelu: N prob told E: both majors, and S to W: just TO - could be balanced|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I think someone is trying to tell me that East should pass 1@sx, but they're telling me in Danish so I'm not sure|pg||
nt|ahollan1: shows the values for 3@S in this auction|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: the worst - well let's not think about it|pg||
nt|roswolf: south has had too much red meat|pg||
nt|bessi2: not sure I would call it a lapse.. VERY difficult to bid|pg||
nt|barnets: so 6@H made|pg||
nt|barnets: and maybe that is the best line|pg||
nt|barnets: thats why he is such a great player|pg||
mb|p|nt|roswolf: survived here|pg||
nt|hedyg: we all know it shows @ds because we see his hand|pg||
nt|ahollan1: dan to the rescue -- specifically 5+5+|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cJ|nt|athene: quite a lot of these tricky guessy modern auctions work on the "assumed fit" principle - people assume their opps know what they are doing, and hence actually have a fit|pg||
pc|c5|nt|yorkbeach:  we will find out in a minute I hope if the bidding is wrong|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
nt|swanson: This hand is a demostration of how difficult it is to 'settle' for minor suit games when 3NT is a possibility.|pg||
pc|s7|nt|joest: it's easier at imps b/c you don't get punished for being in five of a minor instead of 3NT if they bothmake|pg||
nt|joest: in a bidding contest, 5@c is the top spot here|pg||
nt|bagman: nicely landed; 5@D goes down because of the 5-2 spade break|pg||
pc|s6|nt|athene: so they just find another suit and bid that|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Only one thing to do, Dan, learn Danish|pg||
nt|athene: he ought to know it already? :)|pg||
nt|oleberg: Eat Danish|pg||
pc|sK|nt|ady: 2@C does seems strange from south|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  we have confirmation that the bidding is correct|pg||
nt|joest: mildly yes but it's white|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
nt|barnets: 3n did finally go down 1|pg||
nt|chorush: yes, but I would prefer to be in 5 than 4. Barely|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room in       1@S|pg||
pc|dT|nt|barnets: so was a flat board|pg||
pc|d3|nt|loe48: not really, flat hand |pg||
pc|d2|nt|bessi2: the bidding progressed in the same manner in the open room until that 4@c bid where proojinen bid 4@h, probably because their 1@h opening is often only 4 cards I beliee|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|bagman: 3NT might make or might go down...|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: I'm betting for one of the two|pg||
pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: but those are the only possibilities|pg||
pc|s3|pc|d4|pc|sT|pg||
nt|barnets: he would only go down if west would give his partner a club ruff|pg||
nt|bagman: 7 tricks ready and then needs 2 spades (easy) without losing 4 other tricks|pg||
pc|d9|nt|loe48: i think 2nt is okay|pg||
nt|joest: must have gone down 1|pg||
nt|joest: 2|pg||
nt|joest: b/c it is scored as a push|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: such an unexpected result that it crashed the room|pg||
pc|d5|nt|roswolf: hmm north cant believe south has 4 card support and passed over 2@S|pg||
nt|joest: there was a crash of the table in the other room I understand|pg||
pc|dK|nt|athene: well east could see the 5-2 fit might be ok if his pd has two spades and a doubleton heart honour|pg||
nt|athene: if they play std count south has to have four? wouldn't raise on two would he|pg||
nt|roswolf: 2 BDS LEFT AND SCHEDULED RESTART IS IN 15 MINS|pg||
nt|roswolf: any problem bruce?|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: Kranyak left table gone for more red meat:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: back|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  both sides were applying the principle that nobody is vulnerable you should bid... because if you go down you go dwon in 50s|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  when nobody is vulnerable|pg||
nt|joest: so there is no score period|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|ady: assuming undoubled|pg||
nt|joest: at least in cyberspace there isn't|pg||
nt|joest: so if it was down one it will be 3 imps for cayne and they now trail by one|pg||
nt|barnets: yes so it is|pg||
nt|joest: so low spade here is the only chance for Sementa to go wrong|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: hard to imagine that he will|pg||
pc|h7|pc|c2|nt|yorkbeach:  :)|pg||
nt|barnets: they are in 3N in open|pg||
pc|dJ|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: 1 table finished the other 2 on  16|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1st quarter scores will be posted at  http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16/978-2011-spingold-quarter-final|pg||
pc|s4|mc|10|pg||
qx|o31|st||md|1SAKQT4HQJ532DACT6,S9632HT984D73C874,SJ5HKDT985CKQJ932,S87HA76DKQJ642CA5|sv|n|nt|thorvald: and diamonds 3-2 and no other accidents|pg||
nt|barnets: so fortunate for both sides|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 22 IMPs exchanged in 14 boards. Either the bridge has been boring or good, or a bit of both|pg||
mb|2C|mb|2D|nt|barnets: another quiet board here|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|barnets: but it has been a fun game to watch and be part of the action|pg||
mb|p|nt|warrens:  is it?  what's going to be the final contract?|pg||
nt|warrens:  4@S?|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|barnets: if they stop|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|thorvald: 3@D 4th suit Gameforcing, wonder if 3@s is better than 4@S or just keeping 3 NT as a possibility|pg||
nt|barnets: well done again|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg||
pc|s7|nt|Walddk2: Won't you make 3NT by North too in practical bridge?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: We lost the closed room I am sorry to say. Poor timing|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Here it is back'|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg||
nt|Walddk2: was|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|sJ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|c8|nt|Walddk2: The end|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|c3|pc|s8|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|Walddk2: Last board of the set coming up shortly|pg||
pc|s6|pc|c9|pc|d2|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|d5|nt|warrens:  well played|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Many thanks again to Jan Martel, operator and much more. Excellent job!|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c31|st||md|1SAKQT4HQJ532DACT6,S9632HT984D73C874,SJ5HKDT985CKQJ932,S87HA76DKQJ642CA5|sv|n|nt|joest: a 'fantastic finish' as they used to say|pg||
nt|roswolf: lol|pg||
nt|ady: -100   a bargain|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  match all square|pg||
nt|ady: now level|pg||
mb|1S|an|14+, f1|nt|yorkbeach:  could be exciting for those of you able to stay|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: Meckwell have arrived in 6@h on these cards at the other table|pg||
nt|roswolf: very competitive in the other room|pg||
nt|athene: 4@S is not such a bad contract for NS, is it?|pg||
nt|athene: especially vulnerable|pg||
nt|bessi2: it is decent... 2 finesses, not to mention the very live possibility of a @d lead from the K|pg||
nt|ahollan1: see previous remarks about 1@S|pg||
mb|2C!|an|gf, either !c, bal, or support|nt|ahollan1: 2@C=FG, @C or BAL or @S support |pg||
nt|bagman: in 3NT one might win the first club hoping for club blockage (1 down) or duck one and then go up on the heart switch (makes)|pg||
nt|bagman: so hard to say if it makes or not single dummy|pg||
mb|3D|nt|athene: yes, diamond lead from the king is quite possible|pg||
nt|Walddk4: You only have to wait 2 hours|pg||
nt|athene: sementa had to pass in the other room because 2@C overcall would have been 5-4 majors?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: And you can't even be certain that they will continue with this match|pg||
nt|athene: there is no end to the indignities the club suit has to endure these days :(|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  another solid looking result for Cayne in the OR|pg||
mb|3H|nt|kit: good 6@H contract here, reached in other room|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  are they as slow having dinner as they are playing?|pg||
nt|athene: now east might cue to get to 4 of a major|pg||
nt|joest: tough rebid coming for East|pg||
mb|3N|nt|kit: Danger is getting too high -- they will certainly be in the slam|pg||
nt|wygbe1: seems they should reach it after this start|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 12-14 NT in 4th seat  --  i must admit i never understood that|pg||
nt|athene: that's fairly logical? you know no-one has a big hand so it's safe|pg||
nt|athene: and quite pre-emptive|pg||
nt|ahollan1: especially when system opens everything in 1st/2nd seat|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: a good hand for 'serious 3NT"|pg||
nt|roswolf: well depending on the style of vul weak 2's i think 4@S is automatic here|pg||
nt|bessi2: I would just bid 4@s directly with the north hand.. |pg||
nt|roswolf: so would i|pg||
nt|othered1: vulnerability keeps north from a light t-o double|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Of course, 7@H can make -- and maybe it would out of desparation|pg||
nt|joest: playing that Boyd must cue bid a diamond control no matter how bad his hand|pg||
nt|wygbe1: if n bids blackwood, will find out no diam king|pg||
nt|kit: 4@D is not a diamond control -- it is a last train sort of bid|pg||
nt|athene: the trouble with passing now is, what do you do when south bids 4@C?|pg||
nt|athene: maybe seamon is intending to double and defend|pg||
nt|athene: in view of his singleton diamond, and the vulnerability|pg||
mb|p|nt|swanson: An improbable spade lead would make 6@H difficult for declarer.|pg||
nt|athene: this won't work out well|pg||
nt|athene: now the @SK gets exposed|pg||
nt|barnets: west has a heart stopper in nt|pg||
pc|dK|nt|athene: when versace can't overruff|pg||
nt|bessi2: lol.. versace will drop his pd's K of @s|pg||
pc|dA|nt|kit: 4@S is RKC|pg||
nt|joest: ic|pg||
nt|athene: wow, hasn't cayne just bid his hand a lot of times?|pg||
nt|joest: 2@c looks to be a transfer to 2@d with some invitational hand usually|pg||
pc|d7|nt|joest: not showing the void|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  6@c + 1@d + 1 ruff = 800 in 4@c doubled if my counting is right|pg||
nt|athene: i suppose he assumes from the NS bidding that his partner has a fit somewhere and some values|pg||
nt|ady: I am sure this will be dbled|pg||
nt|athene: but can't his partner bid his own hand?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  crazy to bid 5@h on a 4-4 fit|pg||
nt|joest: so this is a straightforward diamond invite|pg||
nt|henryb:  now there is a lead I would not have found|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
nt|athene: :(|pg||
nt|barnets: the 6 spot is good|pg||
nt|joest: KJ of diamonds too good to pass up |pg||
pc|cT|nt|yorkbeach:  I wonder whether Larry Cohen is watching. |pg||
nt|athene: did declarer really have to rise the king there?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room 4@S south|pg||
pc|c8|nt|athene: of course declarer might just throw his diamond loser on the third club|pg||
nt|athene: and play for both kings onside|pg||
nt|barnets: lauria thinks of possible def|pg||
nt|barnets: but there is no real hope|pg||
nt|barnets: the next board will be the last |pg||
nt|barnets: so Congrats to the Cayne team |pg||
nt|barnets: very well played|pg||
nt|barnets: thanks dan for your excellent job and helpfull commentary|pg||
pc|c2|nt|roswolf: if clubs continued declarer might well divine the trump position|pg||
nt|athene: cayne bids his hand AGAIN|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Who said the 5-level belongs to the opponents? Ed Manfield and Ron Klinger, and they were absolutely right|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  A 9-card fit one way and a 8-card fit the other does not saye both sides |pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  should be bidding at the five level|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  say|pg||
nt|athene: it's not as though the hearts are wide open|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this seems like lucky make to me|pg||
nt|bagman: Here N has a surprise entry; the defense has only 4 tricks|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
pc|c6|nt|athene: but the failure to play the third club is itself suspicious|pg||
nt|athene: ok, so let's say double of 3@D just showed good diamonds, fine|pg||
pc|c4|nt|wygbe1: well done|pg||
nt|joest: a trump start seems best|pg||
nt|wygbe1: diam lead will probly speed up the play|pg||
nt|roswolf: indeed|pg||
nt|joest: declarer will not relish hooking the diamond into south and seeing aheart back|pg||
nt|athene: maybe he just wants to get this set over with and get his dinner|pg||
nt|henryb:  A King has risen in the West|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|kit: best lead -- now declarer has problems|pg||
nt|kit: far from clear how this hand should be played|pg||
nt|kit: Robinson has to make it now to keep the lead|pg||
nt|swanson: Declarer counts 5 hearts, 1 spade, 2 clubs, 2 diamonds - needs another two tricks.|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
nt|athene: of course, west can also NOT overruff the third club with @SKxx, as a nice grosvenor|pg||
nt|athene: now 4@C says "i have 4-4-6-0 and a great hand"|pg||
nt|loe48: he will hood dia now|pg||
nt|bagman: 4th best would have worked better |pg||
nt|ahollan1: please but don't ask me how to get to 5@C|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|bessi2: now he can play the club throw the diamond and be sure |pg||
pc|h2|nt|roswolf: now obvious:)|pg||
nt|athene: now if declarer hooks hearts first|pg||
nt|athene: he might decide that west would have bid with all he has AND the @SK|pg||
nt|athene: like a 2nt overcall|pg||
nt|roswolf: good point|pg||
pc|d3|nt|athene: fine|pg||
pc|d8|pg||
nt|athene: so where did he find 5@H?|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  has anyone worked out how many IMPs West's 5@h has blown?|pg||
nt|Walddk4: 14 or 15|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  was 800 on offer in 5@c X?|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|henryb:  I want to get this set over with, don't you|pg||
pc|s4|nt|swanson: Maybe ruff a club and lead a low diamond?|pg||
nt|athene: oh well, it's all a bit irrelevant in 3|pg||
pc|s2|nt|bessi2: still worth 2 imps for Schwartz|pg||
nt|roswolf: yup|pg||
nt|loe48: yes its normal safe play to protect hearts trough|pg||
nt|bagman: Having cashed 2 diamonds, E plays a spade hoping to keep N out|pg||
pc|d9|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  might get out for -1 and hold the loss to 2 IMPs but a big missed opportunity|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  needs to play a diamond|pg||
nt|stc: on @d N discards @s|pg||
nt|ahollan1: pitching @S????|pg||
pc|hA|nt|pelu: but many interestting hands henry?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: we're only 5 minutes past scheduled restart time  and board 16 shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes|pg||
pc|h3|nt|kit: at other table, won heart, club ruff, drew trumps, diamond finesse.  Now spade back would have beaten them, but wasn't found|pg||
nt|kit: Play is going same way here|pg||
pc|h4|nt|joest: looks like the match might well be in Berkowitz's hands in  just a few seconds|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
mc|9|nt|hedyg: sure, why not?|pg||
pg||
qx|o32|st||md|2SJHT853DJ96CAQ965,SQ87HKQ942DQ54CT7,SAKT642HDAT82CJ82,S953HAJ76DK73CK43|sv|e|nt|Walddk2: and to ACBL for letting us broadcast from this prestigious event|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Also thanks to my co-commentators, Barnet, Warren and Thorvald|pg||
mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|thorvald: In CR NS are in 3 NT at board 31 and to me it looks like Askgaard had the chance for 5 tricks for defence|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: How would he know to lead a low diamond?|pg||
mb|p|nt|thorvald: Oh, yes, did see outh as declarer|pg||
pc|d3|nt|thorvald: *south|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 11,982 BBO'ers would I am sorry to say, but that is not bridge|pg||
pc|d6|nt|barnets: 1 imp for the danes|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg||
nt|barnets: ahead by 10|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|c5|pc|s8|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Thanks to all specs for watching|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|d9|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Restart in about 1½ hours|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Which matches? Undecided at this point|pg||
nt|thorvald: When is the last section plnned to start ?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 10:30 EDT|pg||
pc|h3|nt|Walddk2: 3rd at 8 pm EDT|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|d2|pc|h6|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|nt|Walddk2: 02.00 and 04.30 CET|pg||
pc|c7|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|d8|nt|barnets: at least we had a nice smooth table here unlike the crshes in closed|pg||
pc|hJ|pg||
pc|s2|pc|c4|pc|dJ|nt|barnets: tks all and all specs very enjoyable|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h9|nt|Walddk2: Yes, was fun as always|pg||
pc|dT|mc|9|nt|Walddk2: Bye for now|pg||
nt|warrens:  see you all later.  Roland, I'll be here for the 3rd, though might miss the start |pg||
nt|Walddk2: God nat to our Danish viewers|pg||
nt|thorvald: Good night|pg||
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qx|c32|st||md|2SJHT853DJ96CAQ965,SQ87HKQ942DQ54CT7,SAKT642HDAT82CJ82,S953HAJ76DK73CK43|sv|e|nt|roswolf: We are now on the last board of the set. Thanks to our operator, Bruce Gowdy. Great Job! Our appreciation to the organisers, the ACBL (Jan Martel) for ensuring that this fine event ...|pg||
nt|roswolf: is brought to BBO vugraph. Thanks too to my very learned fellow commentators William, David and Sigurdbjorn for their company and perceptive comments. Also to our specs whose ...|pg||
nt|roswolf: contributions keep us on our toes.|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  it would seem he did|pg||
nt|Walddk4: he did Bruce says|pg||
nt|joest: thanks Dan, great job as operator btw|pg||
nt|barnets: thanks to jan Martel and ACBL for putting this wonderful show on for everybody|pg||
nt|Walddk4: It's not a good board for DK|pg||
nt|athene: Bjarnson would be happy to i think|pg||
nt|athene: Bjarnarson sorry|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@C=16+ unbal or 15+ bal|pg||
nt|athene: 3@S a bit of a funny bid |pg||
nt|pelu: just like the time when we had US-trials|pg||
nt|athene: in the other room|pg||
nt|Walddk4: 3NT makes on a diamond lead, though, and HH were on their way|pg||
nt|henryb:  Segment 2, fo those who are curious, started 5 minutes ago|pg||
nt|oleberg: 3@S was probably lead-directing, and North wasn't in on the joke.|pg||
nt|bagman: not any more; spade pitch tells to cash the @HA|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i guess @C established so didn't matter|pg||
nt|ahollan1: can this really be final board of the half???|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: and that looks to be it|pg||
nt|athene: if partner shows long diamonds, do you really go out of your way to introduce five spades on a weak hand?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: thanks to all dedicated specs who stuck with us thru all of the room crashes|pg||
nt|bagman: E had planned to play a spade; W's spade discard told that no hope there so E cashed the @HA to prevent an overtrick|pg||
mb|2S!|an|10-13, natural|nt|joest: a great hand to end a great match on|pg||
nt|athene: sorry as a spec points out, even with the @SK west would not have a 2nt overcall but he might have a double|pg||
mb|p|nt|roswolf: scheduled restart in 10 mins from now|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Slip of the mind. Kranyak had it a certain 1 down |pg||
nt|barnets: along with BBO for making it all possinle|pg||
nt|barnets: possible|pg||
nt|barnets: and thanks to all the specs|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: for their comments|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@H probably sets up game force|pg||
nt|oleberg: It does.|pg||
mb|p|nt|yorkbeach:  with 25 HCP and an 8-card @s fit NS should reach 4@s ... but stranger things have happened this set|pg||
nt|Walddk4: 3@S by Schaltz was a good bid if only partner had not taken him seriously|pg||
nt|henryb:  You want to introduce @s so partner leads them and not his anemis @d suit against 3N|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@S=10-13, 5+@S unbal, NOT @S & @H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room 2@D north|pg||
pc|c4|nt|barnets: look in tomorrow for the qurter finals|pg||
pc|c5|nt|yorkbeach:  like this 2@c overcall|pg||
nt|athene: north can't act over 2@C really|pg||
nt|athene: i am not a fan of the 2@C bid because it is just so likely to pre-empt your side out of spades or notrumps|pg||
nt|joest: this particular sequence is a dangerous one for standard pairs b/c it is easy to lose a 44 spade fit|pg||
pc|cT|nt|athene: weirdly, it can work out better to overcall very heavy at the 1-level as it's less likely to end things|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  indeed - prefer X or 1NT|pg||
pc|cJ|pg||
nt|athene: when the @H8 falls first round declarer has a guess which way to play for 4-1 trumps - he can pick either up|pg||
nt|athene: i guess it's possible if a bit aggressive|pg||
nt|bagman: I would be a bit afraid after hearing 3 passes with the N hand; in fact NS can make something in clubs (like 12 tricks)|pg||
pc|s2|nt|joest: even rolling this would not be good enough so congratulations to the Spector team|pg||
nt|joest: and thanks to all the players for a great match|pg||
pc|s5|nt|athene: e.g. after a 1@C opener you can overcall 1@D on almost anything as it never gets passed out|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  rattled perhaps by the previous board?|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|joest: thanks operator|pg||
nt|ady: another swing for Cayne|pg||
nt|Walddk4: As Michael Rosenberg points out, 3@S was a good bid regardless when opps were going to reach 3NT anyway|pg||
pc|sQ|pg||
nt|bessi2: good result for Schwartz in the open room.. 4@h seems like a very fragile contract|pg||
nt|athene: that is why the 8 is an obligatory falsecard from 108xx|pg||
nt|joest: Many players play suit preference here when partner is known to be leading shorntess|pg||
nt|barnets: spade is best now|pg||
nt|joest: that doesn't seem consistent with Sementa's 7 play though|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Welland leads Nickell by 11    our match has widest spread|pg||
nt|ahollan1: http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/spingold-round-of-16/978-2011-spingold-quarter-final|pg||
nt|athene: tricky decision for west; play for 6-1 spades is the only way to try to make?|pg||
nt|athene: you have to play for the @CA with north for sure|pg||
nt|ahollan1: could somebody please call room service for me?|pg||
nt|athene: if you duck, a diamond back is killing you definitely|pg||
nt|Walddk4: If this is slow, let me remind you that we haven't even seen Fantoni yet. He will be playing in the second quarter|pg||
nt|athene: south might possibly have @DJx i suppose|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the pause sure seems to tell Multon @S9 in North  [hope that hasn't already been mentioned]|pg||
nt|oleberg: If another match catches a whole set on them, maybe both these teams should be knocked out|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2nd/4th leads  always look strange to me   probably because i've never had a chance to play them|pg||
nt|hedyg: how do you propose to find a @c contract?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2nd half scheduled to begin in 90 minutes  1.5 hours|pg||
nt|bagman: have wire|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2 AM CET :(|pg||
nt|bagman: North hand is a player with 3 first round controls and good shape; opening it with a preemptish bid looks risky|pg||
pc|c7|nt|athene: not sure what the difference is between this and a simple 4@H from east over 1@H|pg||
nt|athene: i guess 2@C asks if versace has a good hand, 2@D says "no" so lauria settles for game|pg||
nt|barnets: maybe he knew|pg||
nt|barnets: now def can make a spade nd a second heart|pg||
nt|barnets: dont need any ruffs|pg||
pc|c2|nt|yorkbeach:  I have a simple rule that if the hand is too strong for a 1NT overcall, it is too strong for a suit overcall|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c9|pg||
pc|h3|nt|athene: lauria has played with versace for 20 years and versace has never had extras, but lauria is hopeful there will be a first time|pg||
nt|Walddk4: The other match is about to restart. They don't play the same boards, so there is not a security issue|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: we have a director's ruling of 4@s making 5 on board 11|pg||
nt|athene: now north worried that declarer has @DKQ2 left? if he has that is just too bad surely|pg||
nt|ahollan1: thanks for the update Dan!!|pg||
nt|athene: ok, so the 5@D bid not allowed|pg||
nt|oleberg: The ruling seems reasonable, even when routing for Denmark|pg||
pc|h2|nt|ahollan1: 3 match scores posted:  Iceland [original  21] leads Fleisher by 38    Welland over Nickel by 32  Cayne over Lynch by 26|pg||
pc|s4|pc|h6|pg||
nt|joest: thanks also to Kit, John and Jim|pg||
nt|barnets: unless endplay comes|pg||
pc|sA|nt|barnets: which it will|pg||
pc|s3|nt|vugraphzfg: sry too fast N a little upset!|pg||
nt|Walddk4: What do you bid over 2@D if you double?|pg||
nt|ady: OR  same opening 1@H   but double from south|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  North is dummy|pg||
nt|vugraphzfg: S I mean|pg||
pc|h5|nt|yorkbeach:  3@c I guess|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  thanks everyone|pg||
nt|ady: thx all|pg||
nt|ady: bye|pg||
nt|yorkbeach:  having a night off tomorrow - will see some of you on Saturday no doubt|pg||
pc|s7|pg||
pc|sK|nt|bessi2: kranyak will surely play a spade now|pg||
pc|s9|nt|roswolf: commentator's curse|pg||
nt|athene: another obligatory falsecard to give a guess:- south drops the 8 from @HA108x there when declarer leads to the king|pg||
nt|bessi2: hmm... don't see why he wanted to open up either minor|pg||
nt|bessi2: why he would want to that is|pg||
pc|h8|nt|bessi2: A spec suggests that Kranyak may have interpreted his pd's 3 of @s as suit preferance|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
pc|sT|nt|bessi2: preference|pg||
mc|11|nt|ahollan1: so all 3   4-person teams are leading|pg||
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