vg|2011 Vanderbilt R8 A,Segment 1 of 4,I,1,16,Nickell,0,Fleisher,0|
rs|3NW-2,3NW-2,4SE=,4SW=,3NN-1,3NN+2,3NE-1,3NE-2,4SE=,3SW+1,3SW-1,4SW-1,2HN=,2HN=,4SN+2,4SN+2,5DE=,3NE=,5DW-2,5CNx-1,6CS-1,5CS=,3NE-2,3NE-1,3NW-1,3NE-1,5HEx-1,4SN+1,3CN=,1NN-2,4CW-1,3NW-1|
pn|Zia,Fleisher,Hamman,Kamil,Levin,Katz,Weinstein,Nickell|pg||
qx|o1|st||md|3SK2HQ42DT92CT7652,SA954HDA43CAKQ943,SQT863HKJ63DQJ8CJ,SJ7HAT9875DK765C8|sv|o|nt|pelu: Hi all|pg||
nt|Walddk3: Commentators are Jim Griffin and Peter Lund|pg||
nt|tlc: Good morning Roland |pg||
nt|tlc: and Peter|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|nt|tlc: or should I say - Afternoon--  morning here in California still|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: 2@h is a good weak two -- they use multi for bad weak twos|pg||
mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|tlc: a weak 2 in @h is just what Fleisher of course wanted to hear with his hand|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|nt|tlc: so the inevitable 3NT is reached..|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cK|nt|pelu: same bidding - same lead in CR|pg||
nt|tlc: the foul club break makes it appear that he will be a trick short|pg||
nt|pelu: yes - for sure I cant find the 9. trick :)|pg||
pc|s3|pc|h5|pc|c5|pg||
nt|tlc: even with @D 3-3 there isnt time to develop a 9th trick before the heart shift comes|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|d5|nt|tlc: unless NS set up a spade trick for fleisher..which seems unlikely|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|pelu: or S could be endplayed to lead @c|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|tlc: only a defensive error is going to allow this to make..which seems unlikely|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d4|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|c4|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c3|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg||
nt|tlc: so down 1 |pg||
pc|d7|pc|c6|pc|s5|mc|7|pg||
qx|c1|st||md|3SK2HQ42DT92CT7652,SA954HDA43CAKQ943,SQT863HKJ63DQJ8CJ,SJ7HAT9875DK765C8|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfd: players joking with one another during the delay - old friends here|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein verifies that everything is natural.  inaudible whispers on other side of the screen|pg||
pc|s3|nt|Vugraphzfd: katz blinking and studying dumy|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg||
pc|cA|nt|athene: looks like a misunderstanding about the second double|pg||
nt|athene: west just intending it as "extras" and east as a lot more penalty-oriented|pg||
nt|athene: otherwise surely east would be bidding 3@C with that hand|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein had his hand folded, had to fish out @CJ, mumbles sorry|pg||
pc|cK|pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|c7|pg||
nt|athene: well the defence can pull three rounds of trumps now i guess|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d5|nt|Vugraphzfd: levin leans over the table deciding whether to overtake|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the 2 vugraph matches are NOT playing same boards, but you can still [try to] watch all tables via  http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: sits straight and sighs|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell asks if they're playing the same boards at other tables|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin detaches d9|pg||
pc|d9|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: we know that answer!!   only during Semi-Final|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|ahollan1: online CCs from 2010 Trials   http://usbf.org/docs/2010usbc/acblcards/LevinWeinstein.gif|pg||
nt|ahollan1: http://usbf.org/docs/2010usbc/acblcards/KatzNickell.jpg|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz in signature pose, resting chin in palm|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|h7|nt|ahollan1: all pairs in this set play 2/1 with lots of special agreements|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
pc|sT|nt|athene: at least 2mX= isn't game|pg||
nt|athene: just the 7 imps...|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|s9|pg||
nt|athene: eeek|pg||
pc|s6|pc|h9|nt|athene: he has to get these trumps right now|pg||
pc|h4|pc|c3|pg||
nt|athene: but it's not hard to know where the @D9 is|pg||
nt|athene: after hamman ruffed with the king|pg||
pc|hK|mc|7|nt|ahollan1: matches are 64 boards split into 4 16-board segments|pg||
nt|ahollan1: short break between 1&2  3&4   long break between 2 & 3|pg||
nt|ahollan1: please tell me  we're not having connection problems|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Nickell is original  2 seed    Fleisher  7|pg||
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qx|o2|st||md|4S7HAK9752DQT7C952,SAKJT42HD9632CQ43,S953HQJTDJ85CAJ86,SQ86H8643DAK4CKT7|sv|n|nt|tlc: and a 2 IMP gain for nickell as it was -2 in the other room|pg||
mb|1C|an|2+|nt|tlc: sorry for fleisher|pg||
mb|1H|nt|pelu: also down 2 here|pg||
nt|tlc: i cant count..let me get my abacus back out|pg||
mb|2H|an|6+ spades, 8+ points|nt|pelu: easy 10-11 tricks in 4@s - |pg||
mb|3H|nt|tlc: there were 8 tricks availabale, but to take them was automatically down 1|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: a small slam try - but Kamil sign of|pg||
pc|hA|nt|Vugraphzfc: 3@S was forcing|pg||
nt|pelu: why 3@s forcing Joe?|pg||
nt|tlc: with 3-3 @D and the J@c onside,this should make an easy 5|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: cause they said so :)|pg||
pc|s2|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
nt|pelu: strange - with a min hand and 3 card @S - 3@S dont look forcing to me :(|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|h2|pc|sT|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|h5|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|h7|pg||
nt|pelu: and if 2@H is GF then East sh bid 4@S (min)|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cQ|nt|debrose: Hi all|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|sA|pg||
pc|c3|nt|tlc: the 11th trick will probably not materialize as it risks going down now tho|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c9|pg||
nt|tlc: wrong again :)|pg||
mc|10|nt|debrose: If their system defines 3@S as forcing, which does surprise me, Kamil doesn't really have any choice|pg||
nt|pelu: no u were right - the operator juyst show how to take 11 tricks|pg||
nt|tlc: ahhh|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: he bid 3 forcing spades because he "knew I had the right hand" (with 4 little hearts)|pg||
nt|debrose: Although he probably didn't mind much, knowing partner was short in hearts with 6+ spades - in fact might have even bid 4@S if 3@S weren't forcing|pg||
nt|tlc: for a bal 12 count,,Qxx of his partner's 6 card suit and no wastage in hearts isnt a bad hand|pg||
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qx|c2|st||md|4S7HAK9752DQT7C952,SAKJT42HD9632CQ43,S953HQJTDJ85CAJ86,SQ86H8643DAK4CKT7|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|athene: if south doubles, north might get excited|pg||
mb|2S|nt|athene: and bid some number of spades|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: opening and closing his hand is Bas|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: He is now doing the thinking man pose|pg||
nt|athene: if you bid 5@S now is that only asking for a heart control|pg||
nt|athene: or is it just a general invitation?|pg||
nt|athene: partner could have a pretty respectable double and you could still be off a spade trick and the @HA|pg||
nt|athene: not easy|pg||
nt|athene: this is why i think it's good to open 4 of a major more often than most people do|pg||
nt|athene: you give the opponents a lot of headaches|pg||
mb|3H|mb|3S|nt|athene: now south has a heart control AND good spades|pg||
nt|athene: so it will be hard to turn this one down|pg||
nt|athene: since those are the two things that 5@S usually asks for|pg||
nt|athene: on the other hand south hasn't got anything else |pg||
nt|athene: so he might just pass anyway|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Brink now thinking with hands on chin|pg||
mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: @CA lead very bad|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: well the defence are ok as long as hamman doesn't try to cash his other ace|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|athene: but no reason to do that|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h2|nt|athene: if north has a club in his hand, this contract is never making|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d5|nt|athene: ok that was cute|pg||
pc|dK|nt|warrens:  nice play by Zia |pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|athene: nice play|pg||
nt|jaapfr: y|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: fell behind when connection dropped and katz playing very fast|pg||
nt|ahollan1: he does that :)|pg||
mc|10|nt|ahollan1: 4@S played from East in other room|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: established the long diamond, lost CQ to CA and did not hook coming back|pg||
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qx|o3|st||md|1SAQ63HQ75DT743C82,SK97HA62DQJ5C7654,S82HJ4DAK862CAKQ9,SJT54HKT983D9CJT3|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|tlc: zia had the option of passing his 8 count, but with 2 four card suits and IMP scoring, the aggressive approach is usually merited|pg||
pc|h9|nt|pelu: against 3NT in CR West - Katz - missed the defense: @H10 to J, then 3x@D and East played @C???|pg||
nt|pelu: sprry West @C|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|debrose: While it is often right to pass 1N with 8 HCP, I think most would bid with Zia's hand.  With a four card major, and not 4-3-3-3, I recommend trying for game unless very poorly ...|pg||
nt|debrose: place values|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg||
pc|dK|pc|c3|nt|debrose: With QTxx of diamonds instead of @HQ would be much clearer|pg||
nt|pelu: I am told that East on the @D discarded 2 x@H - so all the blame on East - not West :)|pg||
nt|tlc: I assume the lead of the 9@H shows 0 or 2 higher cards...|pg||
pc|d7|nt|debrose: No, the lead of the @H9 is Rusinow, promising the Ten|pg||
pc|dQ|pg||
nt|debrose: I've played often against this pair, and know that is what they play|pg||
nt|tlc: ok...so it just promises the ten or shortness|pg||
pc|d6|nt|debrose: This has been a very common expert approach against NT.  Many play Rusinow only with 4+ cards in the suit|pg||
pc|s4|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|debrose: Ace from A-K, with King for count of unblock.  So must lead Q from KQ regardless of how many cards in suit (unless want unblock)|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg||
pc|h2|pc|s2|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|hT|pc|s3|pc|c4|nt|debrose: This has become a common approach, I meant|pg||
nt|tlc: it's also true that coded 10s and 9s are unpopular with many experts because it helps declarer at trick 1 more then the defenders|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c3|st||md|1SAQ63HQ75DT743C82,SK97HA62DQJ5C7654,S82HJ4DAK862CAKQ9,SJT54HKT983D9CJT3|sv|e|nt|athene: the "textbook" example of that particular swindle is when you give false count on partner's AK lead|pg||
nt|jaapfr: hoi william warren gm|pg||
nt|athene: unblocking a king is a bit more spectacular|pg||
nt|athene: hi good evening|pg||
nt|jaapfr: was it here -1 i suppose?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: sorry we were disconnected|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|jaapfr: ty Debbie|pg||
nt|ahollan1: thanks John|pg||
mb|1D|mb|p|nt|athene: zia might be disappointed to find that swindle was unnecessary of course|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: alert 1 s and alert 2h|pg||
nt|athene: it was still good though|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|athene: and psychologically it will be worth a lot|pg||
mb|2C|nt|jaapfr: it will likely still hit the Bullettin:)|pg||
mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|athene: i really doubt this hand was passed out in the other room|pg||
mb|p|nt|jaapfr: we saw 4@H until trick 3|pg||
mb|3N|nt|athene: that would be a very cautious view from east|pg||
nt|jaapfr: 4@H likely down 1|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: sorry trying to reconstruct the play now|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: Hamman asking questions to Bas|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: if you lost links after room crash  here are player CCs|pg||
nt|ahollan1: online CCs from 2010 Trials   http://usbf.org/docs/2010usbc/acblcards/LevinWeinstein.gif|pg||
nt|ahollan1: http://usbf.org/docs/2010usbc/acblcards/KatzNickell.jpg|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|athene: you might be able to build a spade trick for a club pitch|pg||
pc|dK|nt|jaapfr: y|pg||
nt|athene: but i don't see how you can do everything you need to do|pg||
nt|athene: too much work for a 4-4 trump fit|pg||
nt|jaapfr: unlikely S plays @S now which could help declarer|pg||
nt|jaapfr: even down 2 (thought that was impossible here)?|pg||
nt|athene: of course one advantage of reaching a doomed game these days is you know at least they will be going down in it in the other room too :)|pg||
nt|jaapfr: small consolation though:)|pg||
nt|athene: brink thinking whether he needs to attack clubs before declarer sets up a spade, or whether he needs to play a trump to stop ruffs, or what|pg||
nt|athene: thin game contracts on 4-4 trump fits are hard to defend because there are many possible lines of defence which could be right|pg||
nt|jaapfr: and he is still thinking:)???|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: will not be able to do will give you the final result of this hand|pg||
nt|jaapfr: pls do|pg||
nt|jaapfr: my quess -1|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg||
pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: @HJx wasn't a true non-stopper   partner had help|pg||
pc|h3|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: BUT  opp suit splits 5-3 and @D don't run|pg||
pc|d2|pc|h8|pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: still   declarer friendly @C layout gives hope|pg||
pc|dQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but losing @S finesse dooms declarer|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell: standard carding + smith|pg||
nt|ahollan1: ugh -- Nickell pitched @H winners|pg||
pc|d8|pc|s4|pc|d7|nt|ahollan1: Hamman opened North hand 1N|pg||
pc|c4|pg||
pc|d6|pc|s5|nt|Vugraphzfd: compressed the heart tricks|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o4|st||md|2S942H863DK6CK9854,SQT8HQJ7DJ53CQT73,SAJ5HKT42D9742CJ6,SK763HA95DAQT8CA2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|an|2+|mb|p|nt|debrose: Very sorry about my many typos - I"m on someone's laptop which I am not used to|pg||
mb|1S|an|no major|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: better than my misspelling :)|pg||
pc|c5|nt|debrose: This too has become very common - short club with transfer responses.  In the first day of the open pairs last week, four of thirteen of my opponents prealerted that was what they ...|pg||
nt|debrose: are playing|pg||
nt|debrose: So you should definitely work on having your partnership defenses ready|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg||
nt|pelu: why is East's hand not 1NT opening?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: maybe they play 14-16|pg||
nt|debrose: East judged his hand to be too good|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dK|pg||
pc|h6|nt|tlc: East upgraded his fine 17 count and rebid 2NT, as I've been asked be several specs|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|debrose: I think they play 15-17, unless they've recently changed, but with good controls and that chunky diamond holding, Kamil evaluated as more|pg||
nt|tlc: would the other commentators bid or passed the west hand over 1NT?|pg||
nt|pelu: for sure invite for 3NT|pg||
nt|pelu: 2 x Q10 are good valies|pg||
pc|h4|nt|tlc: a quacky 8 count, but u do have the 10@c|pg||
nt|tlc: and 10@s|pg||
nt|debrose: In the other room West judged his 8 points, in spite of being all Queens and Jacks to be a worth a game try opposite 15-17.  My guess is he would not have done so non vul, and even ...|pg||
nt|debrose: vul wouldn't have without the Tens|pg||
nt|pelu: and u are in red - so only need 37% for game|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h8|nt|debrose: For newer players - there is more incentive to push for game when vulnerable playing IMPs.  When playing matchpoints, game decisions in non-competitive auctions are not affected by ...|pg||
nt|debrose: vulnerability|pg||
pc|hJ|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg||
pc|h2|mc|8|pg||
qx|c4|st||md|2S942H863DK6CK9854,SQT8HQJ7DJ53CQT73,SAJ5HKT42D9742CJ6,SK763HA95DAQT8CA2|sv|b|nt|jaapfr: new leader|pg||
nt|ahollan1: let that be the END OF IT|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: connection has been spotty.  last night was fine but this afternoon is trouble again|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|jaapfr: 3nt much safer than 4@S here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Fleisher also ducked @HA  but Kamil kept his @H  so expect Hamman to go down on  3|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: on the run of the @D, katz bared @HA. then when weinstein played @H up, nickell rose K|pg||
mb|2C|nt|Vugraphzfd: 1+2+4+4|pg||
mb|p|mb|2S|nt|jaapfr: but i think NS might go here to 4@S|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|nt|athene: north will try and play it in 3nt|pg||
nt|athene: south might override|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jaapfr: my fears were right or Debbie is teasing us all:)|pg||
nt|dburn: well, South was wise to override an attempt to play in four diamonds|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N did NOT promise 4@H|pg||
pc|c4|nt|jaapfr: lol|pg||
nt|athene: this will be ok though|pg||
nt|athene: with the @S9 coming down?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: I would never tease|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Zia asking ????|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i suspect many would PASS 1N with Ralph Katz's hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz made this wishy-washy gesture over his 2C to suggest it might not include a major|pg||
pc|cT|nt|athene: this will be tick, so 1 imp to level the match|pg||
nt|jaapfr: would you bid 3nt with all these Aces as N or @S?|pg||
nt|athene: well as north i would want to play 3n, with the trick source|pg||
nt|athene: but as south i would want to play in spades because i don't think partner will have tricks without the spades|pg||
nt|dburn: if I knew partner had the jack of clubs, I would prefer to play in 3NT|pg||
nt|ritong: welcome to gavin wolpert|pg||
nt|gavin:  hey|pg||
nt|gavin:  its times like this that its wonderfull the vanderbilt runs so late|pg||
nt|athene: it's a bit fiddly how you play this  - west has a lot of tempi with that trump holding|pg||
nt|gavin:  finished playing the pair game and still get to watch 12 hands in a close match|pg||
nt|athene: he can plod away at a long-term strategy like cutting your communications with dummy for instance|pg||
nt|jaapfr: 1@C 12-14 or 18-20 with 2+@C or 4@C with > 12 hcp bid NS|pg||
nt|jaapfr: 12-14 and 18-20 balanced|pg||
nt|jaapfr: so this was the balanced 18-20:)|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: NS lead vs NT = ATTITUDE |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell chides weinstein for having the Jacks over his tens; weinstein laughs|pg||
nt|ahollan1: carding reverse Attitude, standard Count  Smith vs NT|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein fidgeting with played tricks|pg||
pc|h4|nt|dburn: if they play the Polish way, then not only was 2NT 18-20, it also denied three spades|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dK|pg||
pc|h6|nt|athene: i don't think they play 1@C - 1@S; 2@D the way the poles would|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hT|nt|athene: 1@C is more natural|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Smith Echo [some play reverse Smith]  is a way for each partner to say whether happy about the opening lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: HA pulled and put back|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|c5|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg||
pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: when not needed for count, when Declarer plays his suit -- Smith helps identify whether or not to continue original suit|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|d9|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg||
nt|ahollan1: notice the qualifier --  When Not Needed for Count|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c2|pc|s9|pc|s8|pg||
pc|c6|mc|7|pg||
qx|o5|st||md|3SAHA3DKQJ3CQJ6432,SKQ6HKQ52D964CAK7,S753HJ94DAT875C95,SJT9842HT876D2CT8|sv|n|nt|debrose: I would invite over 15-17 with the West hand, but I hate having to bid Stayman and not just 2N Natural.  When I have a choice I always play 2N natural|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|2N|nt|debrose: Sorry, lot's of questions about the play in 3N on the last hand.  Agree there were some surprising plays, and can't explain.|pg||
nt|pelu: Yes Debbie, but almost all pairs use 2NT asconventional|pg||
nt|tlc: long clubs, with 2ndary @D|pg||
nt|debrose: Do keep in mind that the job of vugraph operator is very difficult, and sometimes the players don't show their cards clearly|pg||
nt|tlc: which bob will like nicely|pg||
nt|pelu: 2@H normal tranfer|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: a lot now play 2@S as either NT invite or clubs -- with acceptance of invite raise, partner bids 3C|pg||
nt|debrose: I'm not saying that is what happened there, but in general if something seems unbelievable that could be the case|pg||
mb|p|mb|3D|nt|Vugraphzfc: pretty sure the play was correct on last hand|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: Yes, I prefer that 2@S bid to show the invitation NT or clubs, but that also gives the opponents a little help with the lead at times, in that they might double (or draw inference ...|pg||
nt|debrose: from partner's failure to double)|pg||
pc|dK|nt|tlc: nice bid by Kamil with his 1 count, appreciating the playing strength of 64 hands|pg||
nt|debrose: But it doesn't nearly as often give them helpful info as Stayman does, so much better imo|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|s8|pg||
pc|h7|nt|tlc: with the heart ace onside..this hand should present no problems for declarer|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|c2|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|c3|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h2|mc|10|nt|debrose: Zia's 2N here, over the 2@H transfer to spades, had to be takeout for minors - couldn't be bidding a Natural 1N after opps overcalled 1N.  This is something experts would use ...|pg||
nt|debrose: without any special agreement|pg||
pg||
qx|c5|st||md|3SAHA3DKQJ3CQJ6432,SKQ6HKQ52D964CAK7,S753HJ94DAT875C95,SJT9842HT876D2CT8|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: i believe both pairs are playing Standard Smith  so hi-low says I like the lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein says levin's spade spot was hard to read.  levin: I know but I wasn't playing the 9|pg||
mb|p|nt|dburn: this doesn't look a bad result for O'Rourke|pg||
mb|1C|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: on 4  Kamil treated his hand as too good for 1N so  1@C-1@S//2N-3N|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|dburn: I mean, there are ways to beat 3NT|pg||
mb|2S|nt|jaapfr: but 4@S with @S 3-3 likely makes|pg||
nt|athene: yes i wonder how the play went|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: 3nt doesn't look much fun on a heart lead|pg||
nt|gavin:  I've seen meck do that a lot.  Open a weak 2 bid and then lead a different suit|pg||
nt|dburn: I guess it went something like non-heart lead - calim|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Fleisher-Kamil play transfers over 1@C -- that's why Fleisher bid 1@S|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|nt|athene: here we see how going for ruffs can simplify declarer's task if it doesn't net the defence enough tricks quickly|pg||
mb|p|nt|gavin:  he has done it correctly against me more than once|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2N brings @D into the picture|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz studies a moment before passing|pg||
mb|3D|nt|gavin:  live by the sword, die by the sword|pg||
nt|ahollan1: probably this exact shape [might not balance on this auction with 4@D 5@C]|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell fans his hand, folds it again to study the tray|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Katz would have bid 3@S if Nickell hadn't   this way  Ralph may bid Game!|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: he thought about it|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or not|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: it's surprising how often going for ruffs only works if you can get *two* ruffs|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cT|nt|athene: one just gives away control in declarer's side suit|pg||
nt|gavin:  3rd quarter scores www.bridgewinners.com/round-of-16|pg||
nt|ahollan1: overtrick from friendly lie of @H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: actually @C finesse available now to get rid of @D loser|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin leans over the table to study dummy.  "I'm a little slow" - katz called very quickly - then sits straight and fans his hand again|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: but those pesky defenders|pg||
pc|d7|pc|d2|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|s4|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i wonder if Weinstein failure to echo in trump talked Levin out of trying for @C ruff|pg||
pc|s8|pc|c2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg||
pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: Katz isn't sure whether Levin @DK from KQ or AK  - so unsure of @HA location|pg||
pc|d5|pc|h6|pc|c3|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|sT|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hQ|nt|ahollan1: now he knows|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o6|st||md|4ST2HQJ642DK8CQT74,SAKJ86HKDQJ63CK62,SQ5HA97DAT542CJ95,S9743HT853D97CA83|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|tlc: hard to have taken the unfavorable save in 5@d on the last hand|pg||
mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3S|nt|pelu: a @C-lead or 3x1D will defeat 4@s|pg||
nt|tlc: Specs have asked...do we have convention card links for the participants?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: 2N natural game try|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: Fleiser:  "what leads" -- Zia  "4th from honor" -- F:  "and what is an honor for you"   Z:  "we have different ideas"|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg||
pc|d8|nt|tlc: EW convention card:  http://usbf.org/docs/2010usbc/acblcards/FleisherKamil.jpg|pg||
nt|tlc: thanks to glen|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|dT|pc|c3|pc|s2|pc|d6|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg||
nt|pelu: wow - now down 1: @H and @D again|pg||
pc|d4|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|tlc: and Hamman-Zia:  http://usbf.org/docs/2010usbc/acblcards/HammanMahmood.jpg   |pg||
nt|tlc: thanks Al|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c6|st||md|4ST2HQJ642DK8CQT74,SAKJ86HKDQJ63CK62,SQ5HA97DAT542CJ95,S9743HT853D97CA83|sv|e|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Fleisher-Kamil took the push to the making game but in a different context|pg||
mb|p|mb|1S|nt|dburn: I imagine Zia will regard that result as a possible gain|pg||
mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: Zia bid immediately over the transfer where Levin delayed|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: levin: fffffffff-ch-ch-ch-ch for the Nth time this set|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell sitting up straight, re-examining his 4count after the game try|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: reaches towards bidding box and reconsiders|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|nt|gavin:  very difficult hand for hamman|pg||
nt|gavin:  we can see it will make easily|pg||
nt|jaapfr: better  not duck here but very tough to see that for declarer|pg||
nt|athene: not a coded lead|pg||
nt|athene: so hamman doesn't know the spades are so nice|pg||
nt|gavin:  his first decision is whether to duck or win the spade|pg||
mb|3N|nt|athene: with the club finesse into south you would win, if that were the only consideration|pg||
nt|athene: but the missing @HA makes it a bit harder|pg||
mb|p|nt|gavin:  if he thinks his right hand opponent will regain the lead, then he cannot afford to win the ace of spades|pg||
nt|gavin:  as he expects the queen of spades to be with south|pg||
nt|gavin:  when north gets in (and south holds the queen) they could play a spade through his jack|pg||
nt|gavin:  by ducking the spade, he takes away that chance|pg||
nt|athene: north might be considering @H10 shift? play his pd for a miracle @HKxx?|pg||
nt|jaapfr: and N knows E @SAJ now|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell whispers to weinstein: I didn't know whether to accept or sign off|pg||
pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: Fleisher-Kamil stopped in 3@S|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz blinks glumly at dummy.  when the 6412 came down, he said "thank you!"|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg||
pc|d7|nt|Vugraphzfd: levin pulls @D8, puts it back, says sorry|pg||
nt|ahollan1: leads vs suit   3rd/5th|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: this is why he wanted to take time on the previous defense at trick 1|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg||
nt|ahollan1: last time i typed that the room crashed|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|d4|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: laughter when the queen falls|pg||
nt|athene: hamman knew the @sQ was probably right as soon as the heart shift came|pg||
pc|c4|nt|jaapfr: mb thought S QT9(7th of @S and N K sec why else laughter|pg||
nt|athene: with @SKx(x) north would surely just clear the spades hoping his partner had  a club entry|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c3|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|cT|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: nice defense|pg||
pc|c8|mc|9|pg||
qx|o7|st||md|1SJ932HQ4DAT98C985,SQT5HJ865D752CAK2,SA87HAT9732DKQCQJ,SK64HKDJ643CT7643|sv|b|nt|pelu: CR in 4@s|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|pelu: also down 1 if decl start with 2x@S|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|nt|pelu: @C-lead in CR|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|c5|nt|debrose: Yes, if declarer had drawn two top trumps he would have made the previous hand.  However, he didn't know they would break, and thought he had better chances this way|pg||
nt|tlc: 2@H rebid certainly correct with that horrible a 16 count....half your hand in your short suits...|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: Fleisher thinking about the hand|pg||
nt|pelu: 4@S only down 1 after misdefense - same start as here, but in on the ruff S played @C-back|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg||
nt|debrose: We can see that 9 tricks can easily be made on this deal, but the players don't know that|pg||
nt|tlc: can make 3 if the heart ace cashed early, but might lead low heart toward the Qx|pg||
nt|debrose: Fleisher falsecarded on the first trick because he didn't want declarer to know he had both club honors|pg||
pc|s6|nt|debrose: As a passed hand, declarer would then be able to place him with few other honors|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg||
nt|pelu: in @D N asked for @C (@D4) and not for @H with @D10|pg||
nt|tlc: may be going down with heart misguess now..|pg||
nt|debrose: This type of falsecard is dangerous, and can cause partner to misdefend, so should be used judiciously.  Fleisher was perhaps hoping for declarer to go up with the @SK with Kx, and ...|pg||
nt|debrose: didn't think declarer would play him for AK, A as a passed hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: he also read the position and wanted to established spade tricks, so he want Kamil to return spade, not club|pg||
nt|debrose: Yes, good point Joe|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg||
nt|debrose: So now this is easy looking at all four hands, but hamman has no idea about singleton @HK.|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|d5|pg||
pc|h3|pc|c4|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pg||
nt|tlc: strange @d play at that point|pg||
pc|dA|nt|pelu: wrong Kamil|pg||
pc|d7|pc|s7|pc|d4|pg||
nt|pelu: cost 2 tricks|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: of course, Kamil "knew" Marty didn't have the club king|pg||
mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfc: Kamil thought he had diamond king, not club king|pg||
nt|pelu: yes @CA unly fouled partner :)|pg||
nt|debrose: And now we see the falsecard coming back to haunt Fleisher.  Also might be something of an ethical problem, becuase of time taken at trick one|pg||
nt|debrose: True, some players would always take time to plan defense before winning club Ace, and I think Fleisher may be one who tries to do that, but not sure how consistently|pg||
nt|tlc: I agree..I dont think taking time at trick 1 to plan the defense would necessarily cause an ethical problem..|pg||
nt|debrose: Kamil didn't want to continue spades and set up thirteenth in dummy for later diamond pitch, if partner had diamond king|pg||
pg||
qx|c7|st||md|1SJ932HQ4DAT98C985,SQT5HJ865D752CAK2,SA87HAT9732DKQCQJ,SK64HKDJ643CT7643|sv|b|nt|gavin:  i dont think mr Brink has it in him to only bid 2@S there with 7 spades QT9|pg||
nt|ahollan1: oops actually they slipped a trick|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz: I needed you to have !QH.  nickell: sorry pard|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|jaapfr: then he could deduct N had @SKQ agree:)?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: many mention  @H back then 4th @D  preserves @C trick [or South scores 2nd trump]|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: yes, heart back would have killed the discard.  @D4 did not exactly scream for it|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein confirms 3rd/5th|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW 3rd/5th leads vs suit   standard signals|pg||
pc|c5|nt|athene: if declarer knows the match is this tight he might consider playing for overtricks where it isn't totally safe|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Bob asking questions|pg||
nt|athene: assuming you get the diamonds right you can just cash out for 9|pg||
nt|gavin:  the @S8 could be from Q8 , he is not sure that the aq are onside|pg||
nt|gavin:  or a8|pg||
nt|jaapfr: might take the ""wrong"" @D finesse to protect @SK|pg||
nt|athene: playing on the majors might see east win the @HA and west win a lot of spades|pg||
nt|athene: sure it's not likely that west has all the spades|pg||
nt|athene: but in "normal" circumstances playing imps you just don't take these chances|pg||
nt|gavin:  his first order of business|pg||
nt|gavin:  is to figure out who is likely to be longer in diamonds|pg||
nt|jaapfr: y|pg||
nt|gavin:  I think he is taking his time to see if theres some information available to him that can help|pg||
pc|cA|nt|athene: "safety" finessing diamonds to keep east off lead to protect the @SKx isn't safe, though, is it?|pg||
nt|gavin:  and perhaps he felt like losing to west queen of diamonds was better than east|pg||
pc|cJ|pg||
nt|athene: well he has gone for that anyway|pg||
nt|jaapfr: luckily @HA not wrong place but for declarer this hand a nightmere|pg||
nt|athene: but if you lose to west's @DQ you might still go down if the cards lie badly e.g. heart to east's ace and a spade through|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Katz won Ace?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: yes|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: now meditating|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin is busy in his chair, changing posture every few seconds.  katz is very still|pg||
nt|ahollan1: now what?   @Sx    @CK  @Cx  to show @S pref ....|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz takes a deep breath|pg||
pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: seems strange to win quickly with Ace and THEN pause|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell: in the middle of the hand, attitude|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: trying to assess if @S5 gives count implication|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: and whether to hold up to prevent a ruff|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sK|nt|jaapfr: sure that is the nightmere|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Fleisher also won @CA|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein and nickell both fidget with the played tricks.  katz keeps his neatly and a few hands back doublechecked how many tricks he'd lost|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s3|nt|jaapfr: just pray:)|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sA|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hK|nt|gavin:  zia hopes for the queen of hearts in hammans hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: bas is showing hand and says you get a heart|pg||
nt|gavin:  hamman should lead the ten of hearts so zia doesnt mess up |pg||
nt|jaapfr: pls specs do not suggest each time a card is played it was the ""wrong"" card|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: says unlucky start of the diamonds|pg||
nt|gavin:  ok or baas can claim|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: partner sorry|pg||
pc|h4|nt|athene: not sure i would claim there as declarer|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
nt|ahollan1: defense same at both tables -- bet it wouldn't go that way at local club|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|d5|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c7|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|cQ|pc|d4|pg||
pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: effectively  @S and @C tricks swapped|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|o8|st||md|2S984HA87543DT2C64,SJ73HQT9DK954CAKT,SAKQ52HKJ6DA87CJ3,ST6H2DQJ63CQ98752|sv|o|mb|1C|an|2+|mb|d|mb|3C|an|usually 6 clubs|nt|tlc: strangely enough the play was identical in the other room..even the false card at trick 1|pg||
nt|pelu: same "defense" in CR: @c to A??? and @D inon @hK :):) |pg||
mb|3H|nt|tlc: yes..card for card\|pg||
mb|p|nt|debrose: I'm asked about spot card leads in the middle of the hand.  I'm fairly certain E-W - play "attitude" - meaning low spot lead shows interest in having suit continued|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|h3|nt|pelu: better in 4@H - but after theis lead12 tricks from top|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg||
nt|debrose: That was really fascinating - to be able to see card for card the same happen in both rooms on that hand.  Thanks once again to BBO, and all that make this possible!|pg||
pc|sK|pc|c2|mc|12|pg||
qx|c8|st||md|2S984HA87543DT2C64,SJ73HQT9DK954CAKT,SAKQ52HKJ6DA87CJ3,ST6H2DQJ63CQ98752|sv|o|nt|athene: if the defence ducked a heart i might make an extra overtrick|pg||
nt|athene: on a club heart squeeze|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but only because declarer had specifically @DKQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: AND @HQ was fast entry|pg||
mb|1D|mb|d|nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell again reaches for the box and withdraws|pg||
nt|ahollan1: will Hamman DBL or overcall 1@S?   of course his opp will open 1@C [2+]|pg||
mb|2D|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: Hamman also DBL|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: keeps his bidding box on his left but pulls from it with his right hand|pg||
mb|2S|mb|3C|nt|gavin:  had zia ducked hte queen of diamonds on the last hand it would have gotten very complicated|pg||
nt|gavin:  possibly gone down|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: giving him an extra moment to reconsider|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but Kamil got to bid 3@C|pg||
mb|4S|nt|jaapfr: y could endplay IN N |pg||
nt|athene: 2@D is something strange here?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: confident 4S|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: same contract in other room, but different info available about EW hands|pg||
pc|h2|nt|dburn: no - 2@d is preference for diamonds over spades|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: players agree to take a break after this hand|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that lead will speed up play|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|sA|nt|athene: i just wondered why alerted|pg||
nt|dburn: and to some extent over hearts|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sT|nt|athene: i'm told 1@S promised an unbalanced hand (and hence of course much more likely to be 5+ diamonds)|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s7|pg||
mc|12|nt|athene: so a bit unlucky for hamman on that front :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in the other match  thru 7    Cayne 15  v  Grue 5|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin and weinstein going to smoke - nickell declines to accompany them, so they look for a chaperone|pg||
nt|ahollan1: while we're on break -- do you want me to ramble about anything or should i break too?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: many would pay to keep me quiet|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: in the vugraph matches especially players are not supposed to leave the table unescorted|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: so they cannot get unauthorized information about the score or future boards|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell and katz recruited me to accompany them while they went for coffee|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and there ARE severe penalties for violating the rules about leaving the room unaccompanied|pg||
nt|ahollan1: as John said -- either with opponent or official escort|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: players return|pg||
pg||
qx|o9|st||md|3SQJ52HJT82DTCQ954,SAKHA4DJ65CAJT862,S83HQ7653DA873C73,ST9764HK9DKQ942CK|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1H|an|spades|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|tlc: 1NT rebid seems strange?|pg||
mb|3D|an|5-5 game force|nt|Vugraphzfc: that's big for them (with transfer responses over 1@C)|pg||
nt|debrose: Judgement as to when to sacrafice is very tough, and does swing a lot of imps.  If the cards were a little different, 4@S might be going down.  Down two sacrifices only gain 3 or 4 ...|pg||
nt|debrose: IMPs when their game is making, and lose 8 or 12 (depending on vul) when they weren't making|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: they just accept the transfer with a min bal hand|pg||
nt|debrose: @H transfer rersponses showed spades.  1N now shows balanced 18-19|pg||
nt|pelu: we can see that 4@S is easy game - but some would bid 3Nt here - the short @S-stopper indicat that 4@S best game|pg||
nt|pelu: sorry short @H-stopper|pg||
nt|tlc: so with all minimum hands,, he has to rebid 1@S?|pg||
nt|debrose: Many who play this system play 14-16 NT openings, so 1N starts at 17, but I believe this pair plays 15-17.  Fleisher's hand is worth at least 18, and he chooses to treat it as ...|pg||
nt|debrose: balanced|pg||
nt|debrose: The 1@H response is just like a standard 1@S response - 4+ spades, any strength|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: yes, with min bal hand and 2 or 3 spades (or 4 spades in a terrible hand), accept the transfer -- with 4 spades normally bid 2@S|pg||
nt|tlc: thanks joe|pg||
nt|debrose: Transfer responses to 1@C have become very popular, and I'm being asked too many questions to answer you all privately.  If anyone has a link to somewhere people can read about ...|pg||
nt|debrose: this system, I'll be glad to pass it on|pg||
mb|p|nt|pelu: spects will try 6@D but for sure Fleisher are looking at 3NT - 4@S (or 5@d)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: may be heading to 6@D|pg||
nt|imp_jan: passed hand..|pg||
nt|pelu: a contructiv bid from West could be 3@h|pg||
nt|tlc: marty will be worried with Ax of hearts about whether to head for 3NT or play in a pointed suit...slam oppsitave a passed hand will be tought o gauge|pg||
nt|debrose: Fleisher has a tough call here.  He is minimum in high cards, and expects his side has only an eight card fit|pg||
mb|4D|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: On the other hand he has loads of controls, and pretty good cards in partner's suit|pg||
pc|h2|nt|debrose: Kamil feels that having made a slam try, he's done his all|pg||
nt|tlc: perhaps a 3@h stall wouldve gotten partner to bid 3NT with heart card|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg||
nt|tlc: all in all a nice auction..|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|pelu: Nickell in 3NT|pg||
pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d2|pc|hJ|pc|dJ|pc|d7|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|h8|pg||
nt|debrose: I think 3@H here might have implied worry about clubs for NT.  It's true he can't be short anymore - without support for spades or diamonds, but could have xxxx|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hA|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg||
pc|dK|pc|s2|pc|c6|pc|d8|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|s6|pc|c5|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|h3|pc|s7|pc|c9|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c9|st||md|3SQJ52HJT82DTCQ954,SAKHA4DJ65CAJT862,S83HQ7653DA873C73,ST9764HK9DKQ942CK|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: Fleisher-Kamil having high tech auction  1@C[2+]-1@H[@S]//1N[18-20]|pg||
mb|p|nt|jaapfr: declarer will be pleased with the lead|pg||
nt|gavin:  hamman stuck in the T@S because he wants to lead hearts up to his hand|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: he isn't concerned with trying to get diamonds away fast on spades|pg||
nt|athene: that will likely just run into ruffs anyway|pg||
nt|athene: he wants to get the trumps out the way, since he is (for once) in a sound contract :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 5@D in the other room|pg||
pc|hT|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein: shows the J if he has 4 or more|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell sees dummy, says "huh!", takes another sip|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: now seesawing the board in the middle of the table, leaning well forward|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: has to decide whether to play on @D or @C and thus where to win the @H|pg||
pc|h4|nt|gavin:  Hamman's 2@H bid has a lot going for it|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hK|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c2|nt|gavin:  more high cards than typical, but this is about right on pure strength|pg||
pc|c7|pg||
nt|gavin:  plus if the opponents end up declaring|pg||
nt|dburn: do they play that 2@d would be a worse weak two in a major?|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s5|nt|gavin:  he has all these wonderfull jacks and queens that they will expect to be in west|pg||
nt|po-s: HA,CK,SA, test clubs or els play diamonds - havin kept HK in dummy|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
nt|athene: i thought they were flanneryites|pg||
pc|cA|nt|jaapfr: might win 1 imp here to tie|pg||
pc|c3|nt|ahollan1: welcome PO!|pg||
pc|s6|pc|c5|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|s8|pc|d2|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: 6@D pretty good spot -- at least they thought about it in the other room|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h9|pg||
mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell: "I'm gonna take my tricks", weinstein:"I don't blame you"|pg||
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qx|o10|st||md|4S986432H86DQTCJ62,STHKJT53DAKJ964C5,SQHAQ97D3CAQT8743,SAKJ75H42D8752CK9|sv|b|mb|p|nt|tlc: so nickell most likely has picked up an IMP by making at least 4NT|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: i'm a little surprised Kamil passed -- still has standards :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|mb|3C|mb|3S|nt|pelu: what to play here?|pg||
mb|p|mb|4H|nt|debrose: http://thebeercard.blogspot.com/2008/09/transfer-walsh.html |pg||
nt|tlc: seems like eventually they will land in 5@d...which wont be happy with the @h position|pg||
nt|debrose: That was one link I was sent for transfer responses|pg||
mb|p|mb|5D|nt|tlc: thx debbie|pg||
nt|pelu: can discard 3@Hs on black winners - but still down 1 in 5@d|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: i wondered why you were sending us a link about the beer card :)|pg||
nt|debrose: Here is another: http://www.oocities.org/gerben47/bridge/twalsh.html|pg||
pc|cA|nt|pelu: would u all open 1@D - now West had no chance to show his 5 card suit|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: zia:  his opening bids ae getting better|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg||
nt|debrose: Might be possible to score the beer on this hand, with careful play in 4@D:)|pg||
nt|pelu: its ok to open 1@D if opp dont bid - but with 2 black singleton u dcan expect bidding from NS - and then I open 1@h|pg||
nt|debrose: My recollection of the beer rules was that you had to score the @D7 on the last trick AND make your contract|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg||
nt|tlc: while true..i thot @ds werent allowed to be trumps as well,, |pg||
pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg||
nt|pelu: and some say that @D7 dont give beer if @D is trump|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg||
pc|h7|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|h5|pg||
pc|s9|pc|dA|mc|9|nt|debrose: that might have been introduced after the juniors were getting too hungover to play the next day - there was no trump suit requirement in my day|pg||
nt|tlc: and you can earn a beer as defender as well|pg||
pg||
qx|c10|st||md|4S986432H86DQTCJ62,STHKJT53DAKJ964C5,SQHAQ97D3CAQT8743,SAKJ75H42D8752CK9|sv|b|nt|gavin:  nickell has a small swing coming from board 56|pg||
nt|gavin:  so they will be in the lead before that happens|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Zia is wondering around the room -- Brink tells him to come back and play  -- some laughter|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 6 of 9 boards pushed|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: at trick 2, nickell asked weinstein if it was a smith situation and whether H3 was count or attitude.  weinstein said: "if you let us tell we'll never screw it up"|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Kamil did NOT open East hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: then when levin played S5, katz jokingly asked if that was count or suit preference|pg||
mb|2D|an|GF|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein looking down with the bill of his cap pulled over his forehead - as usual|pg||
mb|4C|mb|p|nt|athene: NS might get themselves doubled if they bid too many hearts here|pg||
nt|athene: but perhaps hard for EW to double without trump tricks|pg||
nt|gavin:  Its very important with souths hand to pass here|pg||
nt|gavin:  since you only have 4 points, either west or north has a strong hand|pg||
nt|gavin:  if you freely bid 3@H here, even when you are correct, your partner will take you too seriously|pg||
nt|ahollan1: other room again in 5@D|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin wearing light jacket from his jaunt outside|pg||
mb|5C|nt|Vugraphzfd: Zia thinking|pg||
mb|d|nt|jaapfr: he listened and passes:)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: he wants to hear 3@H so he can bid 3nt|pg||
nt|ahollan1: brutal bid from Bobby|pg||
mb|p|pc|sK|nt|Vugraphzfd: levin: "I'm sorry, this could be a huge one, but--"|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in other room @CA lead against 5@D so it should go down|pg||
pc|s2|nt|Vugraphzfd: Zia snaps pass card disappointed that Bob could only bid 4|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Bob says some good some not so good|pg||
pc|sT|nt|dburn: may be disappointed that Bob couldn't bid three again|pg||
nt|jaapfr: ányway 4@C spot on|pg||
nt|gavin:  with good diamonds drijver decided to lead passively , not fearing the major suit losers dissappearing|pg||
nt|athene: do you have to ruff the @SQ down for a heart pitch?|pg||
nt|athene: or is there something better?|pg||
nt|dburn: well, spot on with this lead - not so spot on if North had chanced to lead a heart|pg||
nt|gavin:  drijver expects dummy to hit with weakness in both majors|pg||
nt|gavin:  since east could have bid 3@H or 3@S in an effort to reach 3NT|pg||
nt|gavin:  he was unaware which major was zia's problem for 3NT|pg||
nt|gavin:  so he elects not to gamble |pg||
pc|sQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: like everyone else -- I wonder what else Nick needed to bid 4@D|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell pulled SA first but put it back - don't know what their agreements are here|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dQ|nt|dburn: oh, sure - I didn't expect him to lead a heart, or anything but a club|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d3|pg||
pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: Joe did announce 2@D was Game Force|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: here weinstein confirmed it with nickell at the end of the auction|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h4|nt|athene: if it was spades, though, that would give south @SAK, so maybe hearts is the % weak spot|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h2|nt|athene: if you assume EW do have one major totally wide open|pg||
nt|athene: but i agree leading a heart can just give the contract so many times, a trump looked normal|pg||
nt|dburn: 2@d on the 4-3 fit was good enough for 4 IMPs to Nickell|pg||
nt|athene: are there any sort of extra board things if the match is very close?|pg||
nt|jaapfr: down in @H??|pg||
nt|dburn: when Wold and Bates tried 3NT, down, rather than 4@h|pg||
nt|athene: or is 1 imp a win?|pg||
nt|dburn: one is enough|pg||
nt|dburn: indeed, 0.1 is enough if the Director imposes some adjustment or other|pg||
nt|athene: zia going for the psychological line|pg||
nt|athene: i'm told 7 extra boards if a tie|pg||
nt|dburn: he's not doing anything psychological particularly - maybe he can endplay North|pg||
nt|jaapfr: if N sees pd with @HK (no 3nt bis W) he plays x@H for @D switch i think|pg||
nt|dburn: "psychological" would be a low spade to the jack|pg||
nt|athene: well he did have the option of ruffing a spade to drop the queen|pg||
nt|dburn: he still does|pg||
nt|athene: and then throwing a heart from dummy on his @S10|pg||
nt|athene: yes but now he has let the defence cash two hearts|pg||
nt|jaapfr: a spec says S had to play @HK direct based on the same reasoning ( W not 3nt)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: lots of thinking sigh by Bas|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: he keeps playing with card|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hK|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz trying to muddle the position|pg||
pc|h9|pc|d2|nt|jaapfr: so i think that is the worry of N|pg||
nt|jaapfr: if my pd had @HK why he did not play it direct|pg||
nt|athene: i still think there was an element of psychology in the way zia played this|pg||
nt|athene: he was just relying on the fact that south would not take his honour|pg||
nt|athene: and he was known to have the king probably from the opening lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: okay lost the play they did it so fast now|pg||
pc|c2|nt|gavin:  4@C making or not will be a loss for the Nickell team|pg||
nt|nkgupt: if the @sq was comming 3rd he was always cold...now playing ak@s and letting N hold @sq discarding a @d|pg||
nt|gavin:  ew have bid 3NT and got a diamond lead from the king|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: making there was an easier way to do this says Zia and now all are laughing|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
nt|jaapfr: only (lol) let it ride to the Q and claim 9 tricks in 3nt|pg||
pc|s3|pc|d4|pc|c4|pc|s5|pg||
pc|h7|nt|ahollan1: no 4@D basically because Nickell is min -- and @CK worth much more on defense than offense|pg||
pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: he knew he'd get another chance|pg||
pc|c6|pc|h5|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg||
mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfd: katz: "I can get it two - didn't think you could have 4 hearts there"|pg||
pg||
qx|o11|st||md|1S5432HKDK92CAK963,SKQT87HAQT94DJ5CJ,SH863DA8763CQT872,SAJ96HJ752DQT4C54|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|2C|mb|5C|mb|5S|nt|debrose: Kamil, with a fit for both of his partner's suits, decides to compete on the 5 level in what is likely to only a 9-card fit|pg||
mb|6C|nt|tlc: 5@C certainly puts pressure on Michael, but most would i think would bid with 44 in both majors?|pg||
nt|jtr: I think she would prefer to play on a decent team for nothing|pg||
nt|pelu: nice hands 5@Sx -1 is par-score - but...|pg||
nt|jtr: sry|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: He knows it certainly might be wrong - with both contracts going down, but when in doubt bid with a fit is probably best strategy|pg||
pc|sK|nt|pelu: ok here its +100 or +50 , so only small imps at stake|pg||
nt|pelu: -50|pg||
nt|debrose: Michael Kamil and Marty Fleisher are from NJ and NY respectively.  The Fleisher team will be US I in the 2011 Bermuda Bowl. |pg||
nt|debrose: USA II will be determined at the Trials this May|pg||
pc|c2|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pg||
nt|pelu: 9 IMP for Nickell in Board 10 5@D -200 and 5@CX -200|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: Kamil concedes and shows his hand|pg||
mc|11|nt|tlc: Zia gave this the only real shot (albeit remote) of making....|pg||
pg||
qx|c11|st||md|1S5432HKDK92CAK963,SKQT87HAQT94DJ5CJ,SH863DA8763CQT872,SAJ96HJ752DQT4C54|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfd: regardless, nickell get on the scoreboard|pg||
mb|1C|mb|2D!|nt|Vugraphzfd: discussing 5@D, weinstein: "depends how I defend it"|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Zia in 6@C   fast/furious auction   1@C-2@C-5@C-5@S//6@C|pg||
nt|ahollan1: growing treatment   (1@C)-2@D=Michaels [@H & @S]  making (1@C)-2@C natural|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein shuffling his hand|pg||
mb|4C|nt|ahollan1: in college we talked about writing a book  "What's Going On?"|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein whispers softly : undiscussed|pg||
mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: it came from auction that started    1@C-2@C-3@C-5@C|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: then levin alerts 4C when the tray comes through|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: the answer --  4th hand misheard [pre bid boxes] opening bid|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 5@H or 5@S?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i suppose PASS is still possible|pg||
nt|ahollan1: some pairs who play (1@C)-2@D as Michaels  have a 2nd bid to show STRONG Michaels vs 2@D as weak version|pg||
mb|p|nt|gavin:  king of clubs lead will be best against 1@S X|pg||
pc|sK|nt|dburn: Drijver out for blood|pg||
nt|dburn: may spill some, too|pg||
nt|athene: need 3 down; must have game on|pg||
nt|jaapfr: but will they bid 3nt here?|pg||
nt|gavin:  looks doable, north is entitled to 3 natural trump tricks, plus one heart ruff |pg||
nt|ahollan1: there goes last hand pickup of 9|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin winces, says "thanks", groans|pg||
pc|c2|pc|s9|pc|s5|pg||
nt|gavin:  (they can get hte heart ruff by discarding a heart on the 3rd round of clubs)|pg||
nt|athene: three small in opener's suit proves a bad holding for the overcaller once again|pg||
nt|dburn: will Meckwell bid 3NT? is the Pope a Catholic?|pg||
nt|jaapfr: may be yes:)|pg||
nt|gavin:  however they must play a diamond through before taking the heart ruff, as declarer would use the 13th heart to pitch a diamond|pg||
pc|d3|nt|gavin:  compressing the diamond loser with one of the trump losers|pg||
pc|d4|nt|jaapfr: as reply to yr 2nd question:)|pg||
pc|dK|nt|athene: meckwell will open south 1@D not 1@C of course, which makes the penalty pass fractionally less appealing, maybe?|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
nt|athene: since north has more length in the bid suit|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: zia asking discards|pg||
nt|gavin:  south's club was suit preference for diamonds i imagine|pg||
nt|gavin:  since south knew that north was leading from shortness|pg||
pc|d9|pc|dJ|nt|gavin:  and north knew that south knew because declarer ducked (therefore south has the queen)|pg||
nt|jaapfr: anyway a new leader expected after this board|pg||
nt|gavin:  so i expect a diamond from drijver |pg||
pc|dA|pc|dT|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|hT|pg||
pc|h5|nt|gavin:  and the rest plays itself, an easy discard of a heart for north on the club|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg||
nt|gavin:  or not so|pg||
nt|athene: this will work too; north just has to avoid getting endplayed, and south still has an entry with the heart, so there is no problem|pg||
nt|dburn: he can discard anything - as long as he doesn't pitch a trump, he should be OK|pg||
pc|hQ|mc|11|pg||
qx|o12|st||md|2S9852HQT3DKJ97CT9,SA73H74DAT42C8752,SK64HJ852DQ6CQJ43,SQJTHAK96D853CAK6|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|tlc: that marty didnt hjave the heart ace and for some reason didnt return heart (highly improbable)|pg||
nt|debrose: I'm asked why the USA gets two teams.  The Bermuda Bowl qualification is by zones not countries.  The ACBL gets three teams, and choosed to send two from the US and one other from ...|pg||
nt|debrose: Canada (though I believe Mexico also has a chance in theory to send a team)|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|pelu: we have seen EW with 17 balanced 3 times - opening 1@C and rebid 2Nt, opening 1NT, and 1@C - 1@H 1NT ???????????|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|tlc: an auction just like grandma would have had..|pg||
nt|debrose: This 17 does not look so great, so I'm beginning to think that Kamil-Fleisher now play 14-16 NT.  Does anyone know for sure?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: i asked -- it is 15-17 in all seats|pg||
nt|tlc: seems everyone these days is playing 2N shows something other than an invitation..|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg||
nt|pelu: only 7 tricks|pg||
nt|debrose: Thanks Joe - so Kamil upgraded one here in spite of 4-3-3-3 because of AK's and QJT the ten of spades|pg||
nt|tlc: plenty of high cards, but no tricks|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c6|nt|tlc: and neither minor behaving|pg||
nt|debrose: Obviously, not everyone Jim|pg||
nt|pelu: B11: Levin in 5@C - timid bidding by Nickell|pg||
pc|h3|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|c8|pg||
nt|debrose: Nice to see they are playing 2N as natural invite, not having to bid Stayman first.  As I said earlier, that is my strong personal preference|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg||
pc|s9|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg||
nt|junaid: facing a 15-17 NT, when u have an 8 count, its better to just shoot or pass, inviting rarely help|pg||
nt|debrose: I don't think whatever is gained by be able to handle the other hands compensates for the help Stayman gives the defense|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c12|st||md|2S9852HQT3DKJ97CT9,SA73H74DAT42C8752,SK64HJ852DQ6CQJ43,SQJTHAK96D853CAK6|sv|n|nt|dburn: down one? good claim|pg||
nt|dburn: but down two more likely|pg||
nt|athene: ONE down we don't believe|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|jaapfr: ? it was quaranteed -2|pg||
nt|imp_jan: think it's down two|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: the other match seems to have lost sync between rooms so unsure of their running total|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|jaapfr: oh yes the Pope is catholic|pg||
nt|ahollan1: another example of Stayman without a major|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|imp_jan: morning europe btw and the rest of the folks|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: they all claimed down one|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: that frees up 1N-2N as an artificial bid|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz: may or may not have 4 spades. 2S would be 5 or more|pg||
pc|s5|nt|Vugraphzfd: "you need 7 tricks. I have 2"|pg||
pc|s3|nt|ahollan1: some pairs overcome that by using 1N-2@S as EITHER  @C or  Invite in NT|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sT|pg||
nt|dburn: then down one it is... at least for now, but....|pg||
pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: there's probably a better way to phrase that|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein asks to see the spots again, then nickell does too. weinstein: "we have lenient rules"|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell hesitates.  katz: "no spades?" nickell: sorry, thinking about the whole hand.  weinstein: we should do that too|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: much friendly banter this match|pg||
nt|ahollan1: expanding on Ralph's explanation of 1N-2@C//2@H-2@S showing 5@S     then 1N-2@H//2@S-2N becomes artificial  [example invite with 5@S & 4+@C]|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg||
pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|d4|nt|jaapfr: or he played @S and N not returning @H then -1 but can not believe that|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|imp_jan: 2,5 brd to go|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d9|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: well done to manufacture the @D trick but still not home|pg||
pc|h8|nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell has to ask katz how many tricks he's lost because katz is the one keeping them straight|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c6|pc|s2|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|dT|mc|8|pg||
qx|o13|st||md|3SQJT7HQ643DKQTCK6,S94HA8752D965CT84,S8HJ9D8742CJ97532,SAK6532HKTDAJ3CAQ|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfc: went very fast at the end of the last hand -- not sure I got it exactly right|pg||
mb|p|nt|debrose: Junaid, have you found any top players that agree with you on that?  I've heard that theory many times, but as far as I know all world class players still have some sort of ...|pg||
nt|debrose: invitation available|pg||
nt|pelu: np u are doing fine|pg||
mb|1S|nt|debrose: I would have bid 2N on the previous hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: Kamil:  "Even you, Zia, would have bid 3N with my hand."   Zia:  "I would open 2NT"|pg||
mb|p|nt|debrose: Sorry about my nonsense about upgrading the previous hand - when I said all that I thought he'd opened 1@C|pg||
nt|tlc: a conservative pass will pay off here, but with an ace many would not go quietly..|pg||
mb|1N|nt|pelu: non vuln and 8 HCP in 2 Aces many would pass opp 1Nt 15-17|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|tlc: i tend to push anytime im 44 in two suits on borderline hands, since one of the two suits can potentialy provide the game going trick|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|nt|debrose: must take break, be back soon|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: thanks, Debbie.  Do come back if you can|pg||
nt|tlc: 3N is certaily a good spot, but the 4-1 spade break and the club offside are unlucky|pg||
nt|tlc: and as many are pointing out..play from the east side this might have have more chances...|pg||
pc|h6|nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia realizes Hamman very unlikely to have an entry if clubs are established|pg||
nt|khaled_m: that gives you a lot of bidding options.|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|s4|nt|pelu: DD 3Nt can make - but not in prectic play|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg||
pc|s9|nt|khaled_m: sorry private message|pg||
pc|c7|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg||
nt|pelu: the winning play: take @CA, play @H10 - and then 3x@s and S is endplayed|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|h5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|c6|mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfc: very short break|pg||
nt|imp_jan: little unlucky (spade break)|pg||
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qx|c13|st||md|3SQJT7HQ643DKQTCK6,S94HA8752D965CT84,S8HJ9D8742CJ97532,SAK6532HKTDAJ3CAQ|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|an|1 ace or 2 kings|nt|dburn: this may not be East-West's best spot|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@H=2 controls   Ace or 2-kings|pg||
mb|p|nt|imp_jan: ínteresting that Hamman overcalled 1@H and not 1NT f.i.|pg||
mb|2N|nt|dburn: Hamman could have tried 1NT rather than 1@h|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein whispers to nickell that he's passing out of turn|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|dburn: but that wasn't ideal - could miss game on a 5-3 heart fit very easily|pg||
mb|3S!|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan1: i think 3@S = 5@S & 2@H|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: katz thinks so too|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell: yeah, correct|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein: "that's good, I'm writing that down"|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin: so he has 22-24 balanced? katz: probably. nickell: what do I have?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: after this goes down, the best thing to do is   blame the opponents|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: very friendly match, pleasure to be at this table|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: as shown in other room  1@S opener doesn't keep you out of game|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg||
nt|dburn: still, he has a lot of trump losers, but he may have enough stuff anyway|pg||
pc|sK|nt|jaapfr: no blood here|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s9|nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein thought about the line of defense before playing stiff @S8 - now rethinking|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|ahollan1: instintively i would have ducked trick 1 -- but maybe fears shift  [@D?]|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: lowers screen for whispered discussion of signals|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: with some players I can overhear everything but nickell is quiet when he chooses to be|pg||
nt|ahollan1: brb -- hope nothing happens|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell just fidgeting and calculating plan B|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein scratching his whiskers - his usual habit - levin puts his hands in his hair|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz seems not to have any nervous habits.  looks like he's falling asleep|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein repositions his chair, makes eye contact with nickell as if to remind him he's on lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: clock on 35.  45 minutes for 4 1/2 boards since the players got back from break|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: staring at the position myself, I don't see anything better than trying to clear spades, keeping N out, and falling back on @C finesse if necessary.  maybe one of you sees a way to ...|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: actually make|pg||
nt|ahollan1: eventually 1st quarter results will be posted at  http://bridgewinners.com/round-of-8|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nick rubs his brow - can't tell if he's literally sweating|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the other room on last board of the set [ 16]|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|h2|pc|c5|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: apparently thought levin was on lead|pg||
nt|ahollan1: :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: now @SJ and exit @H?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein checks nickells played tricks: "big slick"|pg||
pc|dK|nt|ahollan1: or does Levin need to play @D first?|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d2|nt|jaapfr: 2@S 2@C and 1 other trick in @H is minimal made\|pg||
nt|gavin:  declarer will now take a spade ruff and his club winners and exit with his diamond endplaying south|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
pc|h6|nt|ahollan1: feels like he needed to cash @SJ first -- but this hand just too tough for me|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: back in the tank|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Nickell's @H10 playing very key role in the hand|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or maybe more key is Weinstein @HJ9|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg||
nt|gavin:  the first trick in hearts told hamman everything he needed to know|pg||
nt|jaapfr: wd|pg||
nt|dburn: tiem to ask how many tricks he has got|pg||
nt|jaapfr: 8|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg||
mc|8|nt|ahollan1: that seemed like very normal play from Nickell|pg||
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qx|o14|st||md|4ST863H9DAT983C642,S74HAQ5D754CQJT93,SKQJ952H643DK6CA7,SAHKJT872DQJ2CK85|sv|o|nt|tlc: yes, 3NT was a good contract, but the card gods werent very cooperative..|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|imp_jan: dbl dummy 4@H goes down on a @d ruff on this one|pg||
mb|3S|nt|imp_jan: 4@S !|pg||
mb|4H|nt|tlc: zia certainly bidding 4@s over any heart raises|pg||
mb|4S|nt|debrose: Zia and Hamman (obviously, from the North hand) do not treat 3@S as preemptive here|pg||
nt|debrose: It shows opening bid strength and at least a good six-card suit|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: fleisher asks about 3@S and Zia just shakes his haed (could be anything opp passed hand, i guess)|pg||
nt|imp_jan: weak or strong, south always will bid 4@S :)|pg||
mb|5H|mb|d|mb|p|nt|debrose: MR played that way with Zia, and I play that way with MR, but I don't think it's  a common treatment|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|nt|tlc: hamman - zia play intermediate jump overcalls vulnerable, but bob's was pretty good here as well|pg||
nt|imp_jan: noticed a free style preempt by hamman before opp a passed hand|pg||
nt|debrose: surprised to hear that Zia did not explain it as I described.  |pg||
pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg||
nt|pelu: @D lead fine - but not the A:)|pg||
nt|debrose: Yes, obviously Zia would bid 4@S regardless on this hand, but I find it hard to believe Hamman would bid 3@S if defined as preemptive|pg||
nt|imp_jan: Debbie, who or what is MR ?|pg||
nt|debrose: Sorry, MR is Michael Rosenberg|pg||
pc|c4|nt|imp_jan: ah of course, how stupid i cld be :)|pg||
pc|c9|nt|junaid: bk|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c8|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d5|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sA|nt|debrose: Michael feels strongly that jump overcalls in 4th seat, when RHO makes a weak response, should be treated as I described above, regardless of vul|pg||
mc|10|nt|debrose: I know he played that way with Zia, and I assumed from Hamman's hand that Hamman-Zia had the same agreement|pg||
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qx|c14|st||md|4ST863H9DAT983C642,S74HAQ5D754CQJT93,SKQJ952H643DK6CA7,SAHKJT872DQJ2CK85|sv|o|nt|imp_jan: wow bates-wold bid and made 4@H on 60|pg||
nt|imp_jan: very very close match still|pg||
nt|ahollan1: pure 50% versus reading South for everything [and exact shape]|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell/weinstein discussing the details, discovering the winning line|pg||
mb|1H|nt|athene: 21 count and 5-3 fit, that is going some|pg||
mb|p|nt|dburn: indeed they did - could be rather important, that one spade doubled|pg||
mb|2H|nt|jaapfr: it remains extremely tight with 2 boards to go|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein:"it's hard to do" and that he didn't want to give away the club situation|pg||
mb|2S|mb|3H!|nt|athene: there's no redress for incorrect acceptance of claim even after the board is over is there?|pg||
nt|dburn: yes|pg||
nt|athene: let alone after the set is over|pg||
mb|3S|an|not a good hand|nt|athene: oh ok|pg||
nt|dburn: even then|pg||
mb|4H|mb|4S|nt|gavin:  i expect a 2@S bid by zia|pg||
nt|dburn: they have until the end of the Correction Period (usually 30 minutes after the end of play)|pg||
nt|imp_jan: rdbl = 3@h|pg||
nt|gavin:  i think he will not sell out to 2@H|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: 3S just competitive - X would be game try|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell sitting so cockeyed levin would be looking into his hand if not for the screen|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: uh oh -- selling out too soon again|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: quick inaudible discussion before katz picks up his bids|pg||
mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d7|nt|gavin:  this looks to be a pretty good spot, typically 4-3 fits are worse when the opponents can force you to ruff with your 4 card suit|pg||
nt|athene: NS should know this is a 4-3 fit because with four spades zia would have bid them first time|pg||
nt|gavin:  here it doesnt cause much concern with trumps breaking|pg||
pc|dK|pg||
nt|athene: getting forced in the long trump holding is only bad if you really fear losing trump control|pg||
nt|jaapfr: i still believe that with the last 4 tricks left W played @S and N returned @S (easier to believe 1 player did something wrong then that 3 players were wrong about the claim)|pg||
nt|athene: and that is only bad if you have some big side suit you need to cash|pg||
nt|jaapfr: b59|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: zia says solid and then thank you and lead in partners suit is ?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: they all agreed to claim|pg||
nt|athene: often at a low level you can just go with it if they force you, and scramble a healthy number of tricks|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|gavin:  these guys have a lot of experience playing in 4-3 fits, two of the best in the game at it|pg||
pc|sA|nt|Vugraphzfd: thanks|pg||
nt|athene: well hamman used to play 4-card majors|pg||
nt|athene: so clearly he has had a lot of practice|pg||
nt|gavin:  yeah and they are both rubber bridge players|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s7|pg||
nt|gavin:  where 4-3 fits are a luxury|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Hamman's 3@S actually made it easier for EW to compete to 5@H|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nickell leans back, hands behind head, and sighs|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d5|nt|athene: i remember a system called "simply blue" which was a variant of blue club|pg||
nt|athene: that unerringly found 4-2 fits|pg||
pc|d6|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o15|st||md|1SJ52H4DT762CAT973,S874HKJ865D843C52,SAKT9HQT2DJ5CKJ86,SQ63HA973DAKQ9CQ4|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfc: two more then a short break|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|3C|nt|pelu: Nickell in B13 open 2@C and bid 2Nt on the 6 card @S - sp 3Nt played from east and prob making|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg||
nt|tlc: would any panelists have ventured 3@h at fav vul with the west hand?|pg||
nt|debrose: Fleisher has a hand that would like to bid 3@H and fold up your cards to bar partner from bidding.  You'd rather be in 3@H than defending 3@C, but if you bid 3@H then when partner ...|pg||
nt|debrose: has enough for you to make 3 he will bid game|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg||
pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg||
nt|tlc: partner might toss 3@h in with the useless Qx of clubs..|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|debrose: So Fleisher hopes for partner to double again, so he can play in 3@H (although sometimes 4@H would be cold when partner doubled again)|pg||
nt|debrose: Folding up the cards to bar partner was a joke|pg||
nt|tlc: and not as effective bhind screens anyway :)|pg||
nt|debrose: true|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg||
mc|9|nt|debrose: Kamil had a tough defense at trick three.  Qx of trump will often score a trick when you've made a takeout double, so had to be very reluctant to play that|pg||
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qx|c15|st||md|1SJ52H4DT762CAT973,S874HKJ865D843C52,SAKT9HQT2DJ5CKJ86,SQ63HA973DAKQ9CQ4|sv|n|nt|imp_jan: poss small swing as medkwell play 2@H |pg||
nt|ahollan1: with 1 to play in 1st Quarter  Cayne 30 v Grue 18|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: 2@H-1 i guess?|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|athene: will zia try another 3-card major bid here?|pg||
nt|dburn: 2@H might have been beaten on a black-suit lead, but Wold reasonably chose a diamond|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: or will he bid an honest notrump?|pg||
mb|p|nt|debrose: Good point Al, which reminds me of board 11, where the jump to 5@C pushed opps into bidding at 5 level|pg||
nt|debrose: while in this room jumping only to 4@C ended with buying the hand in 5@C|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz writes levin a note in tiny letters then quickly scratches it out|pg||
pc|dK|nt|debrose: certainly some randomness there, but I've observed that bidding more to "make the opponents guess" does fairly often have this effect|pg||
pc|d2|nt|athene: ok, he doesn't have to decide|pg||
nt|imp_jan: 1@D = 0-6 hcp|pg||
nt|jaapfr: oeff 2@H AND 2@S made at 62|pg||
nt|athene: and west finessed against dummy|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d5|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 3@C much safer spot but @H layout means Weinstein choice of 1N is safe|pg||
nt|debrose: However, on board 14, I believe Hamman's 3@S overcall might have been systemicly showing that sort of hand, rather than a wildly strong preempt|pg||
nt|ahollan1: NS published range is   good 14-17|pg||
nt|debrose: 3@C was an interesting spot - not exactly safe, since could lose two diamonds, and a trick in each of the other suits|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: other tables in this room have finished - we still have one board to go|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i'm with you Debbie   i think 14 was result of very tiny differences yielding significant differences|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hK|nt|dburn: that gave Meckstroth a tempo, and his eighth trick before the defenders could get six|pg||
nt|ahollan1: well  NOBODY can stop in 2@C :)|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
nt|jaapfr: not likely to lose 7 imps here|pg||
nt|athene: it wouldn't matter anyway with a spade going away|pg||
nt|dburn: I think 14 was the result of Fleisher bidding 2@h then 5@h - the sort of thing that produces a swing, but not always in your column|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|s2|pg||
nt|debrose: sorry for typos, on a laptop I'm not used to.  I think Kamil believe declarer might have a singleton diamond, in which case a trump shift could prove effective|pg||
nt|dburn: possible, but he can be fairly sure East is 4-4 in the red suits|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: oops sorry, typoed D2 for S2|pg||
pc|h9|nt|debrose: Especially having made a takeout double, if Kamil had not shift to a trump he would have had a short of scoring his club Q.  He had a tough trick two problem (or trick three if ...|pg||
nt|debrose: he'd cashed a diamond first).|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein reviewing EW defense to NT|pg||
nt|ahollan1: with Nickell showing so much -- is it possible that Weinstein will misguess @C?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: "K is your big lead?" nickell nods. "asks for unblock of an honor except in this situation!" - points to @DTxxx on table|pg||
nt|bigtrain: buckeyes on shortly.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr|pg||
nt|dburn: so may not play him for 4=4=4=1 shape|pg||
nt|debrose: and if needing to ruff diamonds in hand, declarer was likely not be able to ever afford club finesse into his Q|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c5|nt|jaapfr: so the winner is for more than 90% sure: Zia cs|pg||
pc|c8|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: ahem|pg||
pc|d8|nt|jaapfr: and if claim of 59 would be corrected the score after 62 is 109-109:) correct??|pg||
nt|dburn: well, technically the winner is (probably) Nickell, but of course we all know who really won|pg||
nt|dburn: or perhaps he will|pg||
pc|dJ|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d4|nt|jaapfr: pls inform us : is it sure the claim can not be corrected after the match??|pg||
pc|sT|pg||
nt|dburn: I do not know what regulations the ACBL have in place regarding a correction period|pg||
nt|athene: it can be|pg||
nt|dburn: the Law requires 30 minutes at least|pg||
nt|gavin:  i dont think it would get down to a rulebook with these guys|pg||
nt|dburn: I am sure it would not|pg||
pc|h7|nt|debrose: Also, he may have misread his partner's middle diamond at trick 1, which I think was standard attitude, because Fleisher did not want a spade shift.  But was also card he would ...|pg||
nt|debrose: play for J843.|pg||
mc|5|pg||
qx|o16|st||md|2S863HJ87DA763CAK9,SAK97HAQT4DT5C832,SQJ542HK9632D42CQ,STH5DKQJ98CJT7654|sv|e|mb|1C|an|2+|nt|tlc: a potential 2 IMP pickup if they compete to 3@h in the closed room|pg||
mb|2D|an|Majors|nt|tlc: but that was the first contract to actually make in the last 6 bds!|pg||
nt|debrose: He must have felt that with declarer needing diamond ruffs in hand, he wasn't going to be able to afford a finesse that way with KJxx of trumps anyway|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: they use 2@D here for majors so 2@C can be natural since EW open all balanced min with 1@c (even with 5-3-3-2 with 5 diamonds)|pg||
nt|debrose: And if declarer had a stiff diamond, trump shift might be effective|pg||
nt|imp_jan: tempting for zia to go all the way to 4M|pg||
nt|tlc: those who wondered why 2C wasnt majors:  many experts these days are playing that over a "could be short" 1@c, that 2@c is natural and 2@D takes the place of Michales|pg||
mb|2H|nt|debrose: Fleisher played his middle diamond there - I believe that is defined as standard attitude for them, and he didn't want to play low because he had nothing in spades, the suit ...|pg||
nt|debrose: partner would be likely to shift to|pg||
nt|imp_jan: 2@H some raise i suppose|pg||
nt|imp_jan: 3@C by zia, cue bidding galore|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: likely limit + with clubs|pg||
nt|debrose: agree, Joe|pg||
nt|tlc: popular treatment is: 2@h=limit+@C and 2@s=game forcing in @ds|pg||
nt|imp_jan: or reversed|pg||
mb|3H|mb|3N|nt|imp_jan: wow, zia underbidding, that's rare|pg||
mb|p|nt|debrose: I think invitation + in @D is the more standard "unusual vs. unusual" treatment, but perhaps some do play as tlc describes|pg||
nt|tlc: or as deb sez, inv+ as well|pg||
mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|imp_jan: what does the dbl mean? no heart lead? :)|pg||
nt|tlc: altho zia has points.. he actually has a 1-count in the majors--the 2 suits his partner has shown|pg||
mb|p|mb|4C|nt|tlc: and at fav vul, the michaels bid might not be that great|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: Kamil:  "I lose at 'chicken,' as usual"|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg||
nt|debrose: The double meant he thought they were going down........  or else he thought they were making it wanted them to run:)|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg||
nt|debrose: I doubt it meant no heart lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia claims 3 more tricks|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c16|st||md|2S863HJ87DA763CAK9,SAK97HAQT4DT5C832,SQJ542HK9632D42CQ,STH5DKQJ98CJT7654|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: but i WAS convinced by Debbie & David argument|pg||
nt|ahollan1: last board of the set|pg||
mb|1C|nt|debrose: Anyway, I see 3@C was indeed safer, since down 2 sure wasn't happening:)|pg||
mb|2D!|nt|ahollan1: usually about 15 minute break until next set  --   but teams can agree to start sooner|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein: majors. we're copying you|pg||
mb|2H!|nt|dburn: well, you might want to watch the last board in this one first|pg||
nt|gavin:  we had a nice discussion on our site which lead to the following article about how involved vugraph commentators should be in the accuracy of results. http://bridgewinners.com/jason-feldman/321-instant-replay  |pg||
nt|ahollan1: knowing both suits -- 2@H & 2@S both available as cue bids|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so players use similar treatment as Unusual vs Unusual|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin reaches for a bid, pulls back...|pg||
mb|2N!|an|NAT INV|nt|gavin:  operators rather|pg||
nt|jaapfr: forgot b64|pg||
nt|debrose: Standard "unusual vs. unusual" is 2@H limit + in clubs and 2@S inv + in diamonds|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: whispers inaudible explanation|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: then weinstein inquires about the pass|pg||
nt|debrose: other treatments for those Q-bids are also possible|pg||
mb|3C|an|min, if !S=!H, then short !C|nt|Vugraphzfd: will forward any details I am able to glean|pg||
nt|ahollan1: before UvU  people would play 2M=stopper|pg||
nt|debrose: such as stopper showing, but I think very few if any experts play that way these days|pg||
mb|3D|nt|debrose: In theory the players behind screens are required to write their explanations - ideally largely and clearly for the vugraph operators benefit|pg||
nt|ahollan1: hilarious  2N alerted because Natural|pg||
nt|debrose: In practice, the inaudible whispering is all too common|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|debrose: It looks funny Al, but the reality is behind screens players tend to explain all their bids that might not be totally obvious to their screenmates|pg||
nt|debrose: There is no clear distinction between alertable and not alertable|pg||
nt|ahollan1: oh i know -- but there is no humor value there|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: So the operator may be alerting us here, and entering an explanation, as is very helpful, because one was given|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i was about to follow-up with     i played convention card where we said 2N is NEVER Natural|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: weinstein: what did you show? nickell: clubs and diamonds, invitational values|pg||
nt|jbennet: on an artificial 2 NT in compettive situations many pair use D as "im interested to compete" whereas pass should indicates "not interested to bid above their level" or "i know what ...|pg||
nt|jbennet: to do"|pg||
pc|h3|nt|athene: just looking at the diamond suit here you should cash the king first as you can pick up 4-0 with west but not east|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin: hmm! at sight of dummy|pg||
nt|debrose: sorry to spoil your joke Al:(|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: players all seem ready for a breather|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: nick cranes his head to check the score|pg||
pc|h5|nt|athene: but entries are (as usual) a bit of a problem for considerations of that nature|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|imp_jan: NEXT :)|pg||
pc|hQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Katz has done some magical things as declarer -- but this won't be an example|pg||
pc|c3|nt|athene: hard to see a swing on this board|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg||
nt|jaapfr: unlikely b64 generates anything else but a push (agree?)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: praying for 2-2 @C split|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: he may not have as much info as weinstein gave nickell|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sT|nt|jaapfr: so tx all bye|pg||
nt|jbennet: so west passed 2 NT and that should have warned east from bid again. (he could have waited for opponents to stop in 3 major and then D to show a possible 4 of a minor contract. )|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sA|pg||
nt|athene: thanks all|pg||
nt|ahollan1: tough situation having to decide how to bid East hand  |pg||
nt|ahollan1: maybe he should delay 2nd bid after the artificial 3@C|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin sighs. weinstein sighs.  katz looking for a miracle|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|c5|pc|s6|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: levin reluctantly played S8|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: katz has a card detached for several seconds, replaces it, counts his tricks|pg||
nt|dburn: weird - if Katz plays a low heart now, he may be out for down only one|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h6|nt|dburn: good shot|pg||
nt|murat e: çok fazla bilgi alýþveriþi oldu|pg||
pc|c6|pc|h8|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|d9|pc|h7|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|c7|nt|dburn: since he can strip South's majors and play a diamond|pg||
mc|8|nt|ahollan1: well done to find 8 tricks|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: overran by 4 minutes.  2nd quarter soonish.  closing down for now|pg||
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