vg|2010 USBC SFB,Segment 6 of 8,I,76,90,Diamond,211,Weinstein,122|
rs|3NS-3,3CW-3,3NS+1,5CS=,3NN-1,3NN=,4SS=,4SN=,4HS-1,4HN-1,6HW-1,4HW+1,5HWx-3,5HW-2,3CE-2,1NS-1,4SN=,4SN+1,6SN-1,6SN-1,4SE-1,4SW-1,3NE=,2NW+1,3NS-3,4HN=,3HS+1,4HS-2,4HW+1,4HW+1|
pn|Moss,Baseggio,Gitelman,Weinstein,Etter,Diamond,Kolesnik,Platnick|pg||
qx|o76|st||md|2SAK3H7543DAK52CK9,SQJ764HAKQ6DQJ4CT,S982HJDT9763CAJ85,ST5HT982D8CQ76432|sv|n|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|nt|Vugraphzfd: upside down signals for suit preference e/w|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg||
nt|algraves: balancing 2NT about 18 ish|pg||
pc|hA|nt|algraves: 4 and 1/2 honour tricks worth a strong try|pg||
pc|s2|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg||
pc|hK|pc|s8|pc|h2|nt|algraves: 5@D the better game|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
pc|h6|pc|c5|pc|h8|pc|h7|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg||
nt|algraves: and would make by taking ruffing finesse aganstQ f clubs|pg||
pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg||
nt|algraves: very difficult to bid when the focus is on 9 tricks with spades stopped|pg||
nt|algraves: not enought bidding room for Noth to express any doubt about NT|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg||
nt|algraves: 5D fails on a spade lead Curtis Cheek informs me.|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Fred may also have been worried that there were @S ruffs for defense if he explored minors|pg||
nt|algraves: as you cannot get back to hand to cash club|pg||
nt|algraves: 5D still better game as it makes whenever 3NT does and few times it doesnt  , just not this time lol|pg||
nt|ahollan1: you can spy on the other tables using http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/ |pg||
nt|ahollan1: both matches playing same boards|pg||
nt|caitlin: Hi folks|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|cJ|pc|s5|pg||
pc|c9|pc|s6|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg||
pc|d9|pc|c2|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg||
mc|6|nt|ahollan1: Allan - how do you think most pairs would treat  3@S from Fred's hand?|pg||
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qx|c76|st||md|2SAK3H7543DAK52CK9,SQJ764HAKQ6DQJ4CT,S982HJDT9763CAJ85,ST5HT982D8CQ76432|sv|n|mb|1S|nt|sybarra: hello again Matt |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: welcome back :)|pg||
nt|sybarra: and all |pg||
mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|flash: welcome (back), all|pg||
nt|migry: Hi all :)|pg||
mb|3C|an|Short Suit game try|nt|migry: 1NT = 14-16|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Hello everyone :)|pg||
nt|flash: we're in the Chicago suburbs for the last segment of the quarter-finals|pg||
nt|bobh1: hi all|pg||
nt|migry: this may be a small swing to welland if they get too high in the other room |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: The Weinstein team was originally seeded 20th out of 23 entering teams, a remarkable feat to be 15 boards away from the semis|pg||
nt|flash: the Weinstein team is certainly the surprise of the tournament|pg||
nt|migry: 1NT - 2@d - 2@h -2NT - whatever|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: Welcome back everyone, :)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Interesting poker being played by platinic, thinking opps have agame opposite a limited opening|pg||
mb|p|pc|dT|pc|d8|nt|sybarra: hold shirts all,  N/S names will be entered when Matt has a chance|pg||
nt|sybarra: and there they are |pg||
pc|dK|nt|harmon: ok im here everyone behave|pg||
nt|harmon: specially jacki|pg||
nt|Jacki: Ok then if I have to behave, I'm not doing this|pg||
nt|harmon: oh darn|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: should be a quick 10 here|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Good Morning everyone from Chicago :)|pg||
pc|h5|nt|flash: Weinstein-Garner (for Welland) vs Etter Kolesnik in the other room this segment|pg||
pc|hA|nt|phil: hi all|pg||
nt|sybarra: likely making 4 unless Sher does something silly  (which I doubt) |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Welcome back Phil, thanks for joining us|pg||
nt|sybarra: hi Phil,  welcome |pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h2|pg||
nt|harmon: chance for a pickup 3n very lucky make|pg||
nt|harmon: as kib pointed out even 4s|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg||
nt|flash: we had 3 Weinsteins in play at this tournament|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|c8|nt|sybarra: I think Fred will cash ak |pg||
pc|h8|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Hello everyone, will try to get soem commentators asap, untill then, i will try and fill in the gaps|pg||
nt|joest:  hi all|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: good morning jack! welcome.|pg||
nt|joest:  these boards begn the second half of a 120 board two-day match in Chicago|pg||
nt|joest:  I just got here so will hold off commenting until the next hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: sounds good jack :) thx|pg||
nt|lml: good morning|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Etter in the tank on this one, Good morning Linda|pg||
nt|lml: this is one of those hand where you can make 6 on a good day so 4 is pretty safe even with a poor lie of the cards|pg||
nt|lml: he has to lead a club now and give up the @CQ|pg||
nt|lml: keeping a club|pg||
nt|lml: then if they take dummy in diamonds he ruffs high draws trump and has a club to get there|pg||
pc|d3|nt|phil: missed most of the last segment, but in the 2nd the wheels came off for Weinstein|pg||
nt|phil: hey SHirley|pg||
pc|s5|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|lml: so he is going to make 4 in a jiffy|pg||
nt|lml: well a long jiffy|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Seems etter was simply being extra thurough, don't want to start out the day going down in a cold one|pg||
nt|lml: absolutely|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s4|nt|sybarra: they (Weinstein)  made up some at the end |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Steadied the ship in the previous, picked up an imp on the total, now need to start makin some real headway|pg||
nt|sybarra: not impossible but difficult score |pg||
pc|s9|pc|sT|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: as NS can make partial in diamonds, 3@c -3 might only lose an imp :)|pg||
pc|d2|nt|lml: you want to make sure you have thought of everything|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|c3|pg||
nt|flash: we'll keep an eye on the 'run rate...'    Welland needs 17 IMPs in 15 boards|pg||
nt|lml: he can now ruff a heart for +1 |pg||
nt|lml: but that could be down 1|pg||
pc|c4|nt|Vugraphzfj: Welcome back everyone for the third segment :) will try and put on a good show here |pg||
pc|c9|nt|phil: good morning Matt, Linda|pg||
mc|6|pg||
qx|o77|st||md|3SQHAJ52D63CKQT632,ST973HKT9DQ94C987,SAJ65H4DAJ875CJ54,SK842HQ8763DKT2CA|sv|b|nt|algraves: good question, forcing with doubt in NT clearly. |pg||
mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: my only other guess is minor suit stayman|pg||
mb|2C|mb|2H|nt|algraves: well that would be a good treatment on this hand but most would play it stayman|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or  same as if partner opened 2N  - something like puppet to 3N with a 1 or 2-suit minor hand|pg||
mb|3C|mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: Moss' hand growing rapidly|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|caitlin: good bid|pg||
pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: i thought Brad would investigate @C slam|pg||
nt|caitlin: www.bbotv.com/vugraph to watch closed room or any other match|pg||
nt|ahollan1: as Allan mentioned for last hand -- 5@C making whenever 3N is on so....|pg||
nt|algraves: notice that under pressure and 3NT a real possibility that 3NT is often the best choice|pg||
nt|algraves: if you have the stopper|pg||
nt|algraves: and trust partner to do the right thing|pg||
pc|h4|nt|algraves: Sort of an extension of the Hamman rule. " If 3nt is a logical bid, choose it "|pg||
nt|ahollan1: there are [relatively useless] online System Summary Forms for both of these pairs, but no Convention Cards|pg||
nt|caitlin: exactly but we also often see that 3N is a slam killer, not in this case, but often with minor suit slams |pg||
nt|algraves: this will make of course because they canot hold up the Ace of clubs|pg||
nt|algraves: so Brad is a little nervous at losing his heart entry|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|cK|nt|algraves: but all will prevail|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|d5|pg||
pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: if Fred had @DK instead of @D8 -- would auction have been any different?   then 6@D is better contract than 3N  [Hamman not withstanding]|pg||
pc|s5|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg||
nt|algraves: North with say XXX, X, AKXXX, AJXX should remove back to clubs|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|s2|pg||
pc|c5|pc|s4|nt|algraves: on this auction as very unlikey that  3NT makes and 5C doesnt|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg||
pc|cT|pc|s3|pc|d7|nt|caitlin: 9 tricks|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
pc|c2|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|dT|pg||
pc|c6|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|h7|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|dK|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|sQ|nt|algraves: The corrolary of Hammans rule is 3NT does not necessarily end all auctions|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|caitlin: 10|pg||
nt|caitlin: indeed!!|pg||
mc|9|nt|algraves: i have a Jeopardy question for you all at an appropriate lull|pg||
nt|algraves: so stay tuned|pg||
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qx|c77|st||md|3SQHAJ52D63CKQT632,ST973HKT9DQ94C987,SAJ65H4DAJ875CJ54,SK842HQ8763DKT2CA|sv|b|nt|harmon: matt!!!1|pg||
nt|phil: yes I had to leave with about 3 left in the 2nd - it was getting really ugly for them|pg||
nt|phil: working hard on the first few boards is a positive thing - I truly believe the brain needs to 'warm up' |pg||
mb|1D|nt|lml: my own failing is the very last board ... I think I have mentally left most of the time by then|pg||
mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfj: hiya Harmon, Weinstein had the wheels come off a bit last segment, this will be a key test to see if they can restore some momentum|pg||
nt|harmon: looks like|pg||
nt|harmon: it|pg||
nt|phil: also true|pg||
mb|2C|nt|migry: we had lots of slam hands in the previous set - this is the first one here|pg||
nt|harmon: lotsa bds left|pg||
nt|lml: I suppose that East has 11|pg||
nt|phil: liberally counted :)|pg||
mb|2H|mb|3C|nt|Jacki: Welcome to our commentator Phil Clayton everyone :)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Good morning Phil :)|pg||
nt|lml: but in their system it has not really promised diamonds|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: with 70 left, I wouldn't say 60 IMPs is nothing, but it is against a good team playing well, that had the benefits of rest|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|nt|phil: Sher called it a 3@d opener|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: dont think there's any way to make 7|pg||
nt|flash: for security reasons, each match has its own set of hands|pg||
nt|sybarra: Weinstien will need some hands to break their way and to "swing" on |pg||
nt|lml: that was an action double... I used to call it a responsible double|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: that doesn't allow for comparisons across matches, but avoids many and severe headaches...|pg||
nt|lml: I am doubling and you are responsible partner|pg||
nt|phil: heh|pg||
pc|hK|nt|phil: hi Jacki :)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Very odd to see that J weinstein Passed with 12 HCP and 5@h on the first board, led to them ending up in 4@s -1, not a dream start|pg||
nt|me argent: norths light opening bid helps get NS to an excellent game|pg||
pc|h4|nt|phil: Moss upgrades a lot, but many would agree with not calling this a "17"|pg||
nt|phil: cant imagine anything but 10 tricks here|pg||
nt|phil: aka "Spike Lee" double (Do The Right Thing)|pg||
pc|h3|nt|bobh1: roy thought 4n was quantitative|pg||
nt|bobh1: is that what chris intended?|pg||
nt|migry: it is quantitative|pg||
nt|lml: I guess if you open them that light you have to be prepared to play partscore with an opening bid|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|flash: that would be the 'std' interpretation|pg||
nt|migry: they play 14-16 NT |pg||
nt|lml: opposite it|pg||
nt|me argent: intelligent @H lead by @D|pg||
pc|h2|nt|phil: Im pretty sure what everyone plays, but I'll look up their cc's to make sure |pg||
pc|hT|pc|c4|nt|migry: so 17 (even prime 17) is not enough to DRIVE to slam|pg||
nt|bobh1: ok forgot about their slightly lighter range|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
nt|lml: I don't think man would pass 4@D with the West hand|pg||
pc|dA|nt|phil: Gitelman / Moss cc: http://usbf.org/index2.php?option=com_teamforms&task=display&pop=1&page=0&fid=700&pid=223|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d3|nt|phil: looks like an easy 10 tricks here on the layout.|pg||
nt|phil: EW cc: http://usbf.org/index2.php?option=com_teamforms&task=display&pop=1&page=0&fid=659&pid=813|pg||
nt|phil: well Diamond has the death holding in spades, and they've seen each other's openers|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
nt|phil: Sher / Jackson: http://usbf.org/index2.php?option=com_teamforms&task=display&pop=1&page=0&fid=695&pid=758|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|sQ|nt|phil: NS: http://usbf.org/index2.php?option=com_teamforms&task=display&pop=1&page=0&fid=695&pid=758|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|c2|nt|flash: www.usbf.org   for info; click on Event Results-Open Trials at top left to get to scoreboards|pg||
nt|flash: 2 matches already conceded|pg||
pc|s7|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|c5|nt|harmon: needed to play ax of hts 1st i think|pg||
pc|h8|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s8|nt|harmon: mercifully escaped dble|pg||
pc|c3|nt|flash: Jacobs withdrew vs Diamond with 2 sets to play; Robinson withdrew vs Fleisher with 1 set to play|pg||
pc|sT|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|s9|pc|cJ|pc|h7|pg||
nt|me argent: chance of a defensive trump promotion|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|flash: in our other vugraph match, Nickell posted a 57-17 7th set to lead Harris by 60|pg||
pc|sK|nt|scotty: Declarer sets up his ninth trick in spades - a third club would risk the contract if N had AJ or AQ of hearts|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Hi Joey, thx for joining us!|pg||
pc|cT|pc|d9|pg||
nt|me argent: pleasure matt|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Seems safe to simply exit a diamond and guess trumps later if needed?|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|dK|pg||
nt|flash: as Migry suggested, the other room had an xfer auction on 106; 2@H made 8 tricks to reduce the margin to 16|pg||
nt|me argent: @D return beats it|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|d7|pg||
pc|c6|nt|harmon: d2|pg||
pc|c8|pc|d8|pc|cA|pg||
pc|dT|pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|me argent: south must play small@C|pg||
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qx|o78|st||md|4SAT543H6DT75CAKQ4,SKQ8HJT43DQC97653,SJ6HKQ75DAK32CT82,S972HA982DJ9864CJ|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Levin-Weinstein stole this hand in 2@H  while Martel-Stansby made 5@C   Fleisher now leads Nickell by 42|pg||
nt|ahollan1: sorry - i started typing while still playing board 77|pg||
nt|caitlin: I know question (it's Jeoprady style) so I will not answer|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d6|nt|algraves: I dont thinnk bidding went thhis way|pg||
nt|algraves: I bet NOrth bid 2NT natural|pg||
nt|caitlin: Moss/Gitelman use 1NT for wide range |pg||
nt|algraves: they play is 13-15 balanced|pg||
nt|algraves: traditional 2NT response|pg||
nt|caitlin: yes 3N not 3@C|pg||
nt|caitlin: maybe 2@C|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dQ|nt|caitlin: 2N I mean |pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|algraves: anyway, operators have a thankless job and hard to see the bids as the players put them away so quickly|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|cA|nt|algraves: but regardless they are in 3nT|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
nt|caitlin: indeed|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg||
nt|ahollan1: for inquiring minds   on 77 Levin-Weinstein stole the contract after east opened 2@D Flannery|pg||
nt|caitlin: who is our operator. operator???|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Mark the troublemaker|pg||
nt|caitlin: awwwwwww|pg||
nt|caitlin: we must be careful with the troublemaker:)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: both pairs playing udca|pg||
nt|algraves: West has to lead @H honour|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: Board 77 was initially agreed as 3nt making 3 - but after I asked the final - they recalled should make 4|pg||
pc|h3|nt|caitlin: yes|pg||
nt|algraves: a low heart North can put in 7|pg||
nt|algraves: or 5|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: spot cards are attitude for e/w|pg||
nt|caitlin: ty Mark I thought so...I knew so!|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
pc|h9|nt|ahollan1: Brad is relying on split honors in @S|pg||
nt|ahollan1: as dummy  Brad PRAYING   Fred relying :(|pg||
nt|caitlin: brb folks|pg||
pc|d5|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg||
nt|algraves: well, with east on lead , the diamond ten protects that suit and you have enough tricks if they dont get 3 hearts|pg||
pc|h8|pc|s4|pc|hJ|nt|ahollan1: but if honors split - @SK was strange play|pg||
nt|algraves: I think Fred would take his  play back  at this point|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: and now we understand Allan's play of @H7 instead of King|pg||
pc|cT|pc|h2|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c8|pc|d4|pc|cQ|nt|algraves: now he is playing for show up squeeze |pg||
pc|c7|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg||
pc|dT|pc|hT|pc|dK|pc|d9|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|ahollan1: then only need 1 extra @S trick|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|c3|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c78|st||md|4SAT543H6DT75CAKQ4,SKQ8HJT43DQC97653,SJ6HKQ75DAK32CT82,S972HA982DJ9864CJ|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfj: Kolesnick was starting to think and Brian simply showed him his hand and claimed, |pg||
nt|lml: I apologize now and in advance for typo's man=many in previous sentence|pg||
nt|phil: I thought it had some deep philosophical meaning.....|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: well judged by etter, and after having several foulups in the previous segment, seems to have regained his form|pg||
nt|me argent: he did and he scores his vul game|pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: 1@d = always unbalanced |pg||
nt|migry: so EW will open 1@C with balanced hands that contain a 5 card diamond suit|pg||
nt|bobh1: not to mention light|pg||
nt|migry: this is sort of a normal opening|pg||
nt|phil: true; but the defense could have taken the club earlier and achieved that, but the position is murky to South at T3|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|migry: and you want to get that suit in|pg||
nt|bobh1: for them you mean right?|pg||
nt|migry: wouldn't be too happy if the opponents bid 1NT-3NT and take the first 9 tricks|pg||
nt|phil: this isnt right|pg||
mb|2C|nt|scotty: Usually at imps, you will be play safely for your contract - unless very sure it wil be ok to do otherwise|pg||
nt|phil: or maybe it is....|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: for some reason people this week are questioning my input more than usual :)|pg||
nt|sybarra: yikes,  4 @S might not be everyones bid|pg||
nt|phil: bonanza available in 4@s x'd here|pg||
nt|lml: the result should match the OR|pg||
nt|me argent: all bids by NS should lead to 3NT|pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: i would be happy to open that one even when playing "semi solid" openings|pg||
nt|migry: 1@h= S|pg||
nt|migry: not sure Roy saw the double by North|pg||
nt|bobh1: what would 1@s by roy show?|pg||
mb|3H!|an|Splinter in support of !c|nt|scotty: I think Diamond decided to use the favorable vulnerability to try and make life tough for N-S|pg||
nt|phil: hi Mini  :) |pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: his hand|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Roy definetely saw the double.|pg||
nt|sybarra: I think N bids and he did |pg||
nt|lml: years ago it used to be a debate about whether to open 1NT with a good 5 card major.  Now the debate is over |pg||
mb|3N|nt|bobh1: franco is looking at 5-card support|pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: so maybe they play the same after a double|pg||
nt|phil: 2N feels like an underbid|pg||
nt|phil: 5@d looks normal, but with 2 big cards, and a stiff, isnt a pass tempting? |pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: or maybe wanted to stress that @d suit|pg||
nt|bobh1: no high cards but his partner is bidding his head off|pg||
nt|scotty: N might have tried 3N there - but it's definitely tougher than if Diamond had passed and left N-S to bid their 26 HCP to 3N|pg||
nt|sybarra: might be indeed |pg||
nt|phil: and the group that opened with the 5cM won|pg||
nt|lml: yep|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: they have to guess the right lead here|pg||
nt|migry: good pass |pg||
nt|migry: east may try the KS and switch to diamonds|pg||
nt|migry: A@s|pg||
nt|bobh1: probably they will get it right but it aint over yet|pg||
nt|bobh1: if he leads the @s A Roy will be able to give suit pref|pg||
nt|migry: i bet on the AS lead|pg||
nt|sybarra: how much pressure was pard under?  |pg||
nt|lml: more people have incorporate ways to find a 5 card major into their system and other dont care|pg||
nt|me argent: @H lead could cause problems|pg||
pc|d8|nt|me argent: south did splinter in @Hs so that lead was a live possability|pg||
pc|d5|nt|scotty: There is a lot of risk and randomness associated with Diamond's action there - but here he must be credited with generating a swing out of nothing|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|phil: yes, playing various kinds of puppet stayman is sometimes used|pg||
pc|dK|pg||
nt|flash: very costly at this stage|pg||
nt|bobh1: this was one no one was guessing he would lead|pg||
nt|phil: answer = not very when we are w/r|pg||
pc|d2|nt|me argent: @D return guarantees contract|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d7|nt|phil: a rare misstep for NS - they have been very strong for Weinstein|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: indeed, now cannot avoid taking 1@h 1@s 3@d and 4@c|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|phil: Im kind of surprised Platnick didnt raise|pg||
pc|s9|nt|lml: the stranger notrump opening are with singletons|pg||
nt|lml: I am not used to that yet|pg||
nt|lml: and I think a void is right out|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sQ|nt|lml: it is true that one triple four hands can be tough to bid though|pg||
nt|lml: there really is nothing much to think about on this hand.  You take a diamond play and make 4 or 5|pg||
pc|s6|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|scotty: Well partner could have the same hand with a king less - and then game rates to be poor|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
nt|me argent: en fin the @Hs are played by the def but 2 late|pg||
pc|h2|pc|s4|pc|hT|nt|lml: he might have talked himself into 4 here|pg||
nt|me argent: north thinks he has entry problems|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
nt|scotty: Sorry - was thinking Platnick was South...|pg||
nt|me argent: not knowing @C J is stiff|pg||
pc|h4|nt|me argent: and an entry to cash 4th@D|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|s5|pg||
nt|lml: now we are back at taking the diamond play... yawn for 5|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|h3|pg||
nt|cherilou: Hi all|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|nt|scotty: Platnick didn't raise because 1@d can be 2.  So with 3-cards in their suit, passing looks sensible - partner can reopen with short clubs|pg||
nt|phil: my point is sometimes the 1@d opener actually has diamonds, and from East's standpoint, 5@d may be cheap vs 4@s|pg||
pc|cJ|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o79|st||md|1SA983HAQ764DA2CA7,ST72HT3DT543CJ863,SKJ64HJ85DKJ96C92,SQ5HK92DQ87CKQT54|sv|n|nt|algraves: he wont sweat that, the joys of being up 70 imps|pg||
nt|algraves: but .... you never know|pg||
mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 78 was 12 imp pickup for Fleisher -- according to the movie  Nickell-Katz were in 7@S! [undoubled!!!]|pg||
mb|3C|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: Martel did make 3N where Gitelman went down|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|nt|algraves: This was a Brad Moss view of a strong 2NT opener|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i was wondering how to phrase that :)|pg||
nt|algraves: you get one point for all 4 aces ala Goren, and one point for the 5th heart , voila|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg||
nt|algraves: but he is a little dishonest because I know he doesnt take away a point for no aces like you are supposed to|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: you also get to add 3 points if i'm on lead|pg||
nt|sharynr: This is a cute position, east being endplayed|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg||
nt|sharynr: a low diamond back won't help|pg||
pc|c5|nt|algraves: Welcome to many time World Bridge Federation medalist  Sharon Reuss from the Great White North|pg||
nt|sharynr: thanks allan..|pg||
nt|algraves: sorry there is no O only a why ? in Sharyn|pg||
nt|algraves: and Reus|pg||
nt|sharynr: lol|pg||
pc|s8|pc|cJ|pc|d6|pg||
pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sK|nt|algraves: Brad thinking of how to guarantee 4|pg||
mc|10|nt|ahollan1: @HA then @H toward Jack?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or -- CLAIM|pg||
pg||
qx|c79|st||md|1SA983HAQ764DA2CA7,ST72HT3DT543CJ863,SKJ64HJ85DKJ96C92,SQ5HK92DQ87CKQT54|sv|n|nt|flash: a big 12 IMPs and the run rate nearly doubles|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Sher "I could have bid 3nt myself, i just thought we had like this complete misfit, sorry p "|pg||
nt|me argent: now he knows whew|pg||
mb|1H|nt|flash: Kolesnik led the @SA in the other room|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|nt|phil: 6@s is a tempting target on these cards|pg||
nt|lml: you can see how east-west wind upin the spade game|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: 3 tables so far, all -1 :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: North responds light, so as not to give E-W a free run|pg||
nt|phil: I know Josh Sher very well, and this comment doesnt surprise me - he instantly takes the charge which keeps the esprit d' corps intact|pg||
nt|phil: unlucky - no 8 card fit for EW|pg||
nt|me argent: 2@Ss now?|pg||
mb|2N!|an|4 !s and game try|nt|phil: vulnerabilty and position ripe for stealing|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: I like to play redeouble here as "competitive values, with doubleton in your suit"|pg||
nt|phil: any explanation on the xx? just cards? |pg||
nt|phil: good agreement to have|pg||
mb|3S|nt|scotty: E might bid 3@d now and West....?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: i believe written as doubleton heart but writting is microscopic|pg||
nt|phil: pass by Sher would also reveal a good hand, right? |pg||
nt|lml: Hampson bid 3@H which got rid of the science|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: the quick claim overwrote the lead here - it was a trump...|pg||
nt|phil: 3@h is Smolen|pg||
mb|4S|nt|lml: Diamond might get a plus ... wow|pg||
nt|phil: 3@s is probably invitational with 4 as a passed hand|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: I would actually play that 2@s is a better hand for spades - but that is not "standard"|pg||
nt|sybarra: and smolen is 5 @s/4 @H  |pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: gotcha|pg||
nt|scotty: I'll be very impressed if Platnick passes here|pg||
nt|cherilou: E might sit for this|pg||
nt|phil: Michael, would you take the xx as a force beyond 2@s? |pg||
nt|scotty: Very difficult to "get" the opponents at the 2-level when they open and you are 3-3 in their suit |pg||
nt|sybarra: (pard bids his 4 card suit to get the 5 card suit played the nt hand if it can be played|pg||
nt|sybarra: one more try with 4 @D or 4 @C?|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: Not a force in any way|pg||
nt|me argent: a usefull convention to have on this hand |pg||
pc|cK|nt|phil: then I think Platnick's pass of 2@s is dangerous - now he has to play catch up|pg||
nt|phil: absolutely|pg||
nt|sybarra: "on the way" |pg||
pc|cA|nt|phil: I wonder if 3N was available as some sort of slam try - either serious or non-serious|pg||
nt|lml: I guess Platnick has too much to play the partscore vul|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: no way for brian to pass 3@s with a 17 count, despite only having Q10x in @s for the double|pg||
pc|c3|nt|lml: I wouldnt have thought so |pg||
nt|lml: maybe Diamond can make it|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
nt|phil: by Moss|pg||
nt|lml: things are actually fairly friendly|pg||
nt|me argent: personally i would have solved this problem by bidding 2@Ss  over 2@Hs i play that conventionally shows @Ss|pg||
pc|c7|nt|flash: Nickell now +76 vs Harris...   |pg||
nt|migry: "steaming"|pg||
nt|bobh1: yeah|pg||
nt|bobh1: maybe not the best idea|pg||
nt|scotty: I wonder if Diamond was sure 4@d was natural?|pg||
nt|cherilou: what else would it be?|pg||
nt|scotty: I don't know, but he didn't raise.  He hadsn't shown any diamonds, and he (apparently) had shown a doubleton heart|pg||
nt|phil: like the last hand - a little NV action makes life tough for the pair with the cards |pg||
nt|scotty: Maybe he thought it was a splinter - or was at least a little worried|pg||
nt|cherilou: perhaps it was just a @H honor|pg||
nt|scotty: What is the N-S NT range?|pg||
nt|sybarra: and Fred saying,  thx but no thanks|pg||
nt|sybarra: maybe not good enough for Serious 3 nt |pg||
nt|phil: rightly or wrongly I believe that if you are staring at the @sAK and partner tries for slam, you have an obligation to reciprocate|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|jfeld: Hello|pg||
nt|bobh1: hi jason|pg||
nt|jfeld: Does double imply a @H lead?|pg||
nt|bobh1: now he has to make it|pg||
nt|migry: certainly not a @d lead|pg||
nt|bobh1: i dont think its lead directing at all|pg||
nt|bobh1: it says i think we're beating it|pg||
nt|bobh1: if his @hs were that good he would have overcalled|pg||
nt|jfeld: If it suggests a @H lead not so unreasonable, sort of a weird version of lead dummy's suit.|pg||
nt|jfeld: He know his partner is almost broke. I'm guessing he meant it as that.|pg||
nt|jfeld: with every suit stopped, actually pretty reasonable, especially as he knows he needs to generate a swing|pg||
nt|phil: 14-16|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: i just looked at pad, i can confirm it showed 2 @H|pg||
nt|cherilou: thanks Matt|pg||
nt|scotty: Declarer can make here, by eloping with club ruffs.  But this is a very difficult hand to play|pg||
nt|sybarra: but what do you bid Phil?|pg||
nt|phil: or they might not play it when one partner opens NT|pg||
nt|phil: dunno; 5@c or 5@s has appeal|pg||
nt|phil: or 4@h as last train if available|pg||
nt|lml: lets say he plays three rounds of clubs|pg||
nt|lml: now north south may cash their hearts|pg||
nt|lml: he is going to have to ruff the third heart high and run the @s10|pg||
nt|lml: probably that doesnt work|pg||
pc|c9|nt|phil: feels like -1, the @cJ should help control the tap|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: everything is right on this hand, but etter doesn't know it, considering various options as he can't afford to lose a trick in hearts|pg||
nt|harmon: probably still his best option|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: with spades 3-3 and diamonds 4-3, he can afford to knock out the A@c and bank on spades|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: hedge his bet, etter is asking about carding methods to try and smith etc. to try and get a read|pg||
nt|me argent: this should make without too much trouble|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
nt|harmon: yes but it looks like d's 5-2 with erics false card|pg||
nt|sybarra: 4 @H is last train,  but frankly I perfer something like jx for that |pg||
pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dQ|nt|sybarra: I meant 4 @H IF last train|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|scotty: He doesn't rate to guess spades - N is almost a 2-1 favorite to hold the J|pg||
pc|s3|nt|phil: Ive never heard a good definition of it, but in this context it must mean, "I have the club control you are worried about, and I like my hand, but I can't move by myself"|pg||
nt|sybarra: best definition I ever heard |pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|s5|nt|scotty: S has an easy trump return - staying passive|pg||
nt|lml: this is obviously not going to work|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sT|nt|phil: does he need to guess spades, after A@h, @h? |pg||
pc|sK|pg||
nt|migry: i think it's very reasonable, knowing the suits don't break well for declarer|pg||
nt|jfeld: I'm getting many votes for both I've got everything sewn up, don't give anything away, and also lead a @h|pg||
nt|migry: i believe tha the double should ask for a @h here|pg||
nt|migry: north either has 3 hearts or 4 horrible ones- for me always 3|pg||
nt|jfeld: 3 for me too|pg||
nt|bobh1: yes most people rebid 2 @h with 6-4 even with a bad hand|pg||
pc|s4|pc|c4|pc|s9|nt|scotty: S can be endplayed in trump to solve one problem - but tough to get everything right|pg||
pc|s7|pg||
pc|d2|nt|scotty: He needs to lose no trick to @sJ OR @dQ - tough|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg||
nt|phil: dummy is feeling the pinch a little too|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|sybarra: making use of every entry to E hand|pg||
pc|d8|pc|h4|pc|d5|pg||
nt|lml: Diamond can cash out for 1 down|pg||
pc|h5|nt|scotty: Hoped for @dQx - then to endplay South - that looks like the correct line|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: :) |pg||
pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h8|mc|10|nt|me argent: NEXT|pg||
pg||
qx|o80|st||md|2SJ4HKJ7652DQ96CK3,S8752HQ83DKTCAQJ2,SAQ93HA4DA7542C98,SKT6HT9DJ83CT7654|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|algraves: he could have made five with the sluff ruff by pitching heart from dummy but that might lead to complications |pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: in the other room Diamond-Platnick play a form of Precion - hence the 1@D opener|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|algraves: 2H is limit of hand|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this time Baeggio will feel endplayed|pg||
nt|ahollan1: will Fred try 2@H now?|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|nt|algraves: 2D safe enough, 3D depends on diamond guess|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: nice auction from Gitelman  --  Moss may have been overly optimistic about his minor suit holdings|pg||
nt|ahollan1: opposite known 2@H -- maybe 3@H is enough|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i.e. with 3@H Gitelman would raise immediately|pg||
nt|algraves: oh for sure|pg||
pc|s8|nt|algraves: But you know you go home from the dance with who brung ya|pg||
nt|algraves: Brad is an agressive bidder|pg||
nt|ahollan1: too right|pg||
nt|algraves: but yes it is hard to see partner passing 3H if 4 is a good contract and the vulnerability is wrong for a reall agressive game|pg||
nt|ahollan1: not trying to criticize 4@H -- just trying to find rationale for not getting there  [i came to dance as devil's advocate]|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg||
pc|c4|nt|algraves: at imps you like your nv games to be about 50% since you gain as much as you lose to partscore in other room|pg||
pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Jonathan Weinstein @SK means Baseggio has @HQ -- but it doesn't drop Brad, sorry about that|pg||
nt|algraves: vul however you gain more imps than you lose 10 to6 or 7, so you are more agressive, say 40%. of course you have to factor in the problems for the defense and that is the modern ...|pg||
nt|algraves: thinking|pg||
nt|algraves: to bid games agressively and then make them beat you, not always so easy to get all your tricks on defense|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|algraves: better the less descriptive the auction since you keep the defense in the dark|pg||
nt|algraves: so here perhaps 3H enough because the defense has some information to base their plays on|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @S means defense takes a different 4 tricks than cash @CA|pg||
nt|caitlin: back|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in the other match, this hand was a push -- both bid AND MADE 4@H|pg||
nt|algraves: so there you have it , You cant make it if you dont bid it|pg||
nt|caitlin: So true Allan. We have all seen 8 bids to get to say 4@S|pg||
nt|sharynr: call me crazy, but i would have passed 2@D|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in Fleisher v Nickell  both Levin and Rodwell led @CA|pg||
nt|algraves: well I was thinking the same thing Sharyn, but then that is why I am up here and they are down there|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h3|nt|sharynr: Allan, you could play up there with the best of them. Problem is, you're not American|pg||
pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: some don't see that as a problem this millenium|pg||
nt|algraves: well there is that of course|pg||
pc|h9|pg||
nt|caitlin: Fleisher up by 50.....not deadly but an uphill battle for Nickell|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hJ|nt|algraves: Fleisher team has played great, all 6 of them|pg||
nt|ahollan1: some specs may not know -- but there was a time when Canadians DID join Americans in Bermuda bowl as Team ACBL|pg||
pc|hQ|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg||
pc|s5|mc|9|pg||
qx|c80|st||md|2SJ4HKJ7652DQ96CK3,S8752HQ83DKTCAQJ2,SAQ93HA4DA7542C98,SKT6HT9DJ83CT7654|sv|e|nt|migry: one of my partners used to ask me : what if u have AKQJxx 5432 Qx x?|pg||
nt|flash: the difference when @Hs is the 2nd suit is that you may reach 4@H instead of stopping in 2@S|pg||
nt|bobh1: so you say the players are "arguing" about this Matt?|pg||
nt|scotty: Looks like a spade to the Q was an error, resulting in down - instead of a heart to endplay S|pg||
nt|lml: that seems to me to be a pretty normal result|pg||
mb|1D!|an|2+!d 11-15|nt|Vugraphzfj: roy felt misinformed in regards to his lead, feeling like if opps had a specific agreement that it showed 3@h|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|nt|bobh1: i see|pg||
nt|jfeld: and fortunately for Chris and Roy no overtricks, which is less likely after the invitational sequence, and his hand.|pg||
nt|bobh1: well we don't know who informed whom of what|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: b4 the lead franco asked johnathan if that shows a 3 card accept with hearts, which was confimred, but, as 3nt would make anyway, they had no recourse|pg||
nt|scotty: Fair slam here for E-W - after the overcall, @sA is very likely onside, so you just need to find @dQ - about 57.5% a priori|pg||
mb|4D!|an|texas xfer to !h|nt|harmon: agrressive bid by geoff at these colors|pg||
nt|phil: the even segments seem to be bad luck for Weinstein|pg||
mb|p|nt|cherilou: not a good slam here but it happens to make with that old adage 8 ever 9 never|pg||
nt|harmon: eric expecting more|pg||
nt|phil: think Brad just blasts here with the double fit|pg||
mb|4H|nt|scotty: In practice for an expert the odds in 6N are usually even better - you may get information to guide you when you play out the hearts and clubs|pg||
nt|scotty: 2@d is natual here, not a raise - as if West opened another suit (since 1@d can be short)|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: I am not sure he knows clubs "fit" yet|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: If E bids KC at some point, West COULD decide to show the trump Q - the fourth @d is big - he knows his partner is 5.  but it is a big risk|pg||
mb|p|nt|me argent: a little understrength nt but practical|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: better than the alternatives of 1@s p, or 2@d natural|pg||
nt|marlowepi: predict club lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: expecially down so big|pg||
pc|c5|nt|sybarra: but looks like you are right |pg||
nt|phil: well, double is 'relative' :)|pg||
nt|sybarra: 5/5's are powerful |pg||
nt|phil: as long as 1@c isnt short, it represents a trick source|pg||
nt|phil: so Greco - Hamspon able to stop in 1N with 12 + 12 - not always an easy thing to do|pg||
nt|lml: 12-12 often makes game|pg||
nt|marlowepi: hi all|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Hi marshall welcome|pg||
pc|c3|nt|jfeld: Interesting hand here with the bad breaks|pg||
nt|bobh1: entry management|pg||
nt|migry: i would call it a little ugly hand |pg||
nt|bobh1: it seems the defense can set up @hs|pg||
nt|migry: or i might call it interesting if i were English|pg||
nt|jfeld: don't see this making|pg||
nt|flash: interesting to defend; ugly to declare??|pg||
nt|migry: sounds more accurate|pg||
nt|phil: this smells like a stiff|pg||
nt|lml: and Etter thought the AQxx of diamonds was an upgrade (foolishly)|pg||
nt|me argent: the transfer by south made sure to wrongside 4@Hs|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|harmon: good lie this makes too|pg||
pc|c8|pg||
nt|phil: ducking will lead to defeat with a diamond back though, but that may not be obvious either|pg||
pc|cA|nt|phil: no weakness in any suit, but no big trick source either|pg||
pc|c9|nt|Vugraphzfj: 6@C -6 at the other table, wow.|pg||
nt|scotty: W was worried he had 3 losers and was willing to stop below game.  E figured that if his partner could do no more than 4@d, slam could not be that good|pg||
nt|phil: Kolesnik should bid 1N with a lot of balanced hands here, regardless of his diamond stop|pg||
pc|c6|nt|migry: although the defense is routine - establish your long suit, don't pitch winners|pg||
nt|flash: now, it's plug ugly...|pg||
nt|flash: rise and start @Cs to escape for down 2?|pg||
nt|migry: sounds like the best plan|pg||
pc|cK|pg||
nt|marlowepi: 1S has some attractiveness also, but 1N is fine|pg||
pc|s2|nt|lml: yes but the diamond bid suggested to Etter that his AQ was worth AK|pg||
nt|lml: but since partner is already counting the K it wasnt|pg||
pc|s3|nt|lml: a club back looks normal|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s4|pg||
nt|phil: this looks like a smart line|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|s5|nt|phil: well game just needs a little luck in hearts and one of the black suits, and there are endgame positions too|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|marlowepi: W would probably lead a spade so the siding may not matter|pg||
pc|hK|nt|bobh1: he heard you Jim|pg||
nt|scotty: With the result in the other room, slam is a REALLY bad proposition|pg||
nt|phil: draw trump and play a spade up - you just need one entry to lead toward the clubs|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h4|nt|me argent: welcome mon ami|pg||
pc|h9|pg||
pc|h5|nt|flash: the defense has given up the @H suit on this line, but declarer still has no tricks|pg||
nt|jfeld: all roads lead to down 2 from here|pg||
nt|migry: the only problem is that they are slow roads|pg||
nt|flash: must be the flagman up by the construction area...|pg||
nt|bobh1: if they were vulnerable it would be even slower|pg||
nt|migry: anyway, i can se the time to give u a very useful advice|pg||
nt|jfeld: :)|pg||
nt|migry: do NOT eat chinese while you commentate|pg||
nt|migry: or anything with sauce/rice|pg||
nt|migry: i guess pizza would be best|pg||
nt|migry: however slow play is great for making coffee|pg||
nt|jfeld: I have to go, but enjoy and be sure to check out our new website: www.bridgewinners.com for regular updates and a convention card editor|pg||
nt|phil: claim time|pg||
nt|lml: yes but it wouldnt work with repeated diamond plays as here|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hA|nt|marlowepi: merci, grand frere|pg||
pc|hT|pg||
pc|sQ|mc|9|pg||
qx|o81|st||md|3SJ654HJT3DQ32CAJ9,S9HA8542D7CKT6543,SQ732H97DKT9864C7,SAKT8HKQ6DAJ5CQ82|sv|o|mb|2D|mb|d|nt|sharynr: yesm they even considered us as part of North America|pg||
nt|ahollan1: hehe|pg||
mb|3D|nt|caitlin: lol!|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and for that we gave you Acid Rain|pg||
nt|sharynr: lol|pg||
mb|4H|nt|algraves: well yes and our all time great pair Eric Murray and Sami Kehela played for NA Bermuda Bowl team a couple of times|pg||
mb|p|nt|caitlin: however I do prefer to be member of CBF--Canasian Bridge Federation as a Canadian|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and were among the 5 recently named to the new Canadian Bridge Hall of Fame|pg||
nt|algraves: And with those 5 I would say it was full|pg||
nt|ahollan1: notice 4@S  and  ambivalent @D suit  didn't stop Gitelman from opening weak 2@D|pg||
nt|ahollan1: OR Kolesnick|pg||
nt|algraves: East has dificult problem to be sure|pg||
nt|algraves: he doesnt want to hang his partner for bidding on light distributional hand|pg||
nt|curtis: if they get to 6 that may make because of gitelman's pre-empt|pg||
nt|ahollan1: nickell did pass, martel didn't have option playing Flannery   that match pushed board at 6@H -1|pg||
nt|algraves: but he has a lot of paint|pg||
mb|5D|mb|p|nt|algraves: 6 hearts with a pre empt is not a good contract|pg||
nt|caitlin: very common but we DO teach that we don't preempt with outside 4 card major|pg||
nt|ahollan1: hey Curtis -- welcome to the fray|pg||
nt|algraves: either hearts go 4-1 or a ruff  is out|pg||
nt|caitlin: Hi Curtis|pg||
nt|sharynr: how about 6@C|pg||
nt|algraves: Yes 6 Clubs is of course much better|pg||
nt|sharynr: at least no ruff  out|pg||
nt|ahollan1: do team captains think about these system differences/commonalitied when deciding how to seat players?|pg||
nt|sharynr: maybe that is what Baseggio should bid now|pg||
nt|algraves: no and the trumps ar so much better with 9 including the ten|pg||
mb|5N|mb|p|nt|algraves: and of course the best reason is that on this hand it makes|pg||
mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|sharynr: will he lead a club?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Garozzo rule works well here -- lead your singleton|pg||
pc|c7|nt|algraves: West tried for clubs and would have been ok if his partner had 4 clubs|pg||
pc|c8|nt|sharynr: Do you think 5NT asked to play ina minor, Allan|pg||
nt|algraves: I wonder if they had discussed it|pg||
nt|algraves: is 6C a suit? or a cue bid, if the latter then 5NT has to bring clubs into the game|pg||
nt|ahollan1: as a limited hand [4@H instead of something forcing] - seems unlikely that it is a grand slam try|pg||
nt|algraves: west could have been 4-5 in hearts and clubs for eg|pg||
pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: Allan clarifies perfectly -- which bid shows @C length, which shows @C cue|pg||
nt|algraves: so much to discuss these days|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
nt|sharynr: will Brad play west for a hidden 6-card suit?|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|h7|nt|sharynr: YES|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
mc|11|nt|algraves: very good by Brad to keep his wits about him|pg||
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qx|c81|st||md|3SJ654HJT3DQ32CAJ9,S9HA8542D7CKT6543,SQ732H97DKT9864C7,SAKT8HKQ6DAJ5CQ82|sv|o|nt|migry: thx:)|pg||
nt|scotty: You might think E was crazy to pass 6@c in the other room after W opened 1@d, but I think not|pg||
nt|phil: some interesting hands this set|pg||
nt|lml: so they figured it out|pg||
nt|phil: no director call Matt? |pg||
nt|lml: its scored as down 1 |pg||
nt|phil: yep|pg||
nt|lml: on BBO|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: no, kolesnik realized he only had 8 tricks, so accepted the contest from platnick|pg||
nt|me argent: 2@Ds?|pg||
nt|me argent: would u marshall?|pg||
mb|2D|nt|flash: 10 boards to go|pg||
mb|d|nt|scotty: E was thinking his partner was 4-4 in minors, and could discard a heart loser on the 5th @d if he played in the 4-4 club fit|pg||
nt|cherilou: opening 4@H would have worked better on this hand|pg||
nt|sybarra: bd 48  3nt for n/s in the other room |pg||
nt|phil: 6@c looks like a peeler, but theyll get plenty of action along the way|pg||
nt|me argent: north would and did|pg||
mb|3C!|an|Lead Directional Raise in !d|nt|migry: 1@c= either natural or balanced|pg||
nt|scotty: W was a little sleepy when he bid 6@c, I think.  Not sure what he was thinking|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: The Weinstein team began play last Friday, and it seems Baseggio and Wesintein play a majority of the boards, fatigue certainly an issue with the grueling schedule|pg||
nt|sybarra: I think Fred will bid 4 @S |pg||
nt|phil: I suppose but 2@h didn't help his hand one iota|pg||
nt|sybarra: but with the X by N (should included spades)  will he?|pg||
nt|sybarra: my pards always do the same thing |pg||
nt|phil: peeler - cold, icy - as is 7@c as was just pointed out to me (correctly)|pg||
nt|me argent: 3@Cs is lead directing and is forcing to 3@Ds|pg||
nt|me argent: a very usefull agreement|pg||
nt|me argent: over TOX|pg||
mb|d|nt|migry: 1@d= heart|pg||
nt|scotty: now there is an interesting question of 5@h or pass then 5@h|pg||
nt|sybarra: bid my singletons or void |pg||
nt|sybarra: 2 @S going slowing,  can S bid 3 @S?|pg||
nt|phil: 3@h might be clearer |pg||
nt|phil: 4@s indelicate, but reaching this slam is tricky after the 1@d opener|pg||
mb|3D|nt|phil: but its hard to say how good this is|pg||
mb|d|nt|scotty: Of course here, S will bid 5@h if N passes|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: if N puts in a 4 @C bid,  I think they n/s are off to the races,  as S will cue bid spades |pg||
nt|phil: personally, I think you need to keep a 2@d overcall as natural, and use something else (like 2@h) as Michaels|pg||
mb|4H|nt|bobh1: presumably 1@s would imply better @cs|pg||
nt|migry: west could have bid 1@s to show 4-4 or 5-4 - 1@h shows a balanced minumum|pg||
nt|me argent: of course this makes playing 6@Cs by EW easy if they can ever get their which i doubt|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|sybarra: 4 @C by South  (I am going to quick guessing soon)  ..|pg||
nt|phil: well, credit the 2@s call for a lot of this|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: the lead gives Roy a chance?   @C lead into the opening bid too tough??|pg||
nt|phil: Sher is looking at a few spade losers and a club suit he doesnt know is running|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c2|nt|phil: well done|pg||
nt|lml: it was easy it seems|pg||
nt|marlowepi: sorry was called away|pg||
nt|me argent: thought u deserted me|pg||
nt|marlowepi: the agreement in question is known to many as McCabe (or McCabe adjunct). i use it as often as possible, mainly because it makes me think of Julie Christie (female lead in great ...|pg||
nt|marlowepi: Altman film, McCabe and Mrs. Miller)|pg||
pc|cA|nt|migry: 1@s just shows an unbalanced hand - nothing about club quality|pg||
nt|sybarra: and credit is due to 2 @S |pg||
pc|c4|pg||
nt|phil: Etter perhaps expected one more spade but the @dQJ make up for it|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c5|nt|flash: but needed to play @Ss to take a couple pitches??|pg||
nt|flash: North back to same position as opening lead - @C or @HK to get rich; pointed suit no good|pg||
nt|phil: Kolesnik would like to claim, but can't - a@d void isn't likely but you never know|pg||
pc|h7|nt|Vugraphzfj: Interestingly, in the Nickell match, on the previous board, Ralph Katz was in 6@d with north having bid a pre-emptive 2@s and thus misguessed the diamond suit for -1|pg||
pc|c8|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o82|st||md|4SJT985H3DK9CK9532,SKHAJT852DJ743CJ4,SAQ73H74DQT62CAT6,S642HKQ96DA85CQ87|sv|n|nt|sharynr: If he is West's screen mate, he could ask what 5NT means|pg||
nt|algraves: no defense unless his partner has singleton|pg||
nt|caitlin: exactly|pg||
nt|curtis: correct thought was being played from the other side. |pg||
nt|caitlin: has to go for it|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 5@H good save -- especially undoubled|pg||
nt|algraves: as unlkely as it would seem on the surface but his partner is not leading a club from random small ones|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: 5nt on last hand was checking for a minor|pg||
mb|d|nt|ahollan1: thanks Mark|pg||
mb|2D!|nt|sharynr: why check when you got it|pg||
mb|4S|nt|sharynr: besides which, his partner made a takeout double, ostensibly showing "some" clubs|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D alert must be good @H raise|pg||
nt|algraves: I guss that 2@D|pg||
nt|algraves: is 4 card drury|pg||
nt|sharynr: N-S wil have to avoid bidding to 5-level here|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: oh right Allan -- i was thinking transfer, but 2-way drury could apply|pg||
mb|5H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: levin-weinstein got to play 4@H  meckwell 10@H   nickell now trails by 68|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|nt|algraves: Fred sees no reason to bash down Ace of @S|pg||
nt|algraves: it can wait|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|hT|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|nt|sharynr: Another partnership problem here... is Souths pass forcing (as a passed hand) at this vul|pg||
nt|ahollan1: neither minor suit can be played optimally by either side|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i vote no -- not only passed hand -- there were stronger ways to get to 4@S|pg||
nt|sharynr: I think fred took it a forcing|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h9|nt|algraves: this may evolve to a situation where South has to remember to unblock K of @D|pg||
pc|sT|nt|sharynr: but I tend to agree with AL|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|hJ|pc|s7|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg||
pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
nt|ahollan1: acronym learned from Walter Johnson [bigtrain]  WTMFP     way too many forcing passes|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|h8|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dA|nt|sharynr: moment of truth|pg||
nt|curtis: EXACTLY what i hoped you'd do|pg||
nt|curtis: sorry room|pg||
nt|ahollan1: on the other hand -- what is the risk reward of DBL holding 2 quick tricks at 5 level -- it surely isn't giving away info to declarer|pg||
nt|algraves: That was Phyllis Harris Cheek|pg||
pc|dK|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|h2|nt|caitlin: wd|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d8|nt|ahollan1: btw -- there is an entire  [out-of-print] book on Forcing Pass by Eddie Kantar   i think 2nd edition came out in late 80s|pg||
pc|c5|nt|sharynr: good defense, good double|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|sharynr: good sacrifice|pg||
nt|algraves: So Brad remembered to unblock|pg||
nt|sharynr: didnt work out :(|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c82|st||md|4SJT985H3DK9CK9532,SKHAJT852DJ743CJ4,SAQ73H74DQT62CAT6,S642HKQ96DA85CQ87|sv|n|nt|flash: 2 more IMPs|pg||
nt|bobh1: i think their system hurt them|pg||
nt|scotty: That's like a dream come true for a preempter|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: part score battle here, will hampson balance over 2@h|pg||
nt|sybarra: not being critical, but somehow,  just doesnt make much sense |pg||
nt|sybarra: however its a push!!|pg||
nt|phil: well you can construct South hands with the @cK, and six diamonds, where high levels are in danger I guess|pg||
nt|phil: but when clubs arent running|pg||
nt|phil: at the other table, Hampson was able to overcall 2@d, and Greco jumped to 3@s|pg||
nt|phil: maybe 2@s wasn't forcing...|pg||
nt|marlowepi: for me it's a coin toss about the weak 2 Joey. 100% yes if the major were hearts though|pg||
mb|1D!|an|11-15 2+!d|nt|scotty: N-S would like to reach 3N here|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: i would say likely yes|pg||
nt|phil: you shrug, put the hands back and have a friendly discussion in the bar later|pg||
nt|marlowepi: contrary to popular opinion, 2D is not the least effective of the 3 weak 2 bids. that dishonor goes to 2H|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: They have a big club fit, and each has some worries - S about spades, and N about both red suits|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: hmm, very likely will make 4@s on 18 HCP|pg||
mb|1H|nt|bobh1: if W had just rebid 1n E would pass|pg||
nt|flash: Nickell by 76 with 8 boards left|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: conservative pass by etter over 2@s, can't imagine he feels too comfortable, altho not the best hand in the world|pg||
mb|d|nt|phil: not everyone's style, but I like a 2@s opener as dealer w/r|pg||
nt|lml: 3NT will mostly likely be the spot|pg||
mb|2H|nt|me argent: why?|pg||
mb|3S|nt|bobh1: the other room was 2@d -1|pg||
nt|lml: in 4 bids|pg||
nt|marlowepi: for one thing, when u open 2D, the opps have more balls in the air --in particular, both majors, and theymay wander into a 43 fit instead of a 44|pg||
nt|marlowepi: when u open 2H, their search agenda is more narrowly focused|pg||
mb|3N!|nt|migry: x= 4 or more spades 1S=3 cards|pg||
nt|scotty: I think Diamond should risk 2@s there.  He has a powerful playing hand, and might have game even facing a passed partner|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: needs a trump lead to set it it looks like|pg||
nt|sybarra: I think south can envision a hand with few or no hts with N,  and S has no @S's,  doesnt a trump contract make sense?|pg||
nt|phil: modern treatment - a forcing 2@s call|pg||
mb|4S|nt|migry: yeah sry was lookig  at this one|pg||
nt|scotty: when you have a void, especially in their suit, you need to be much more aggressive|pg||
nt|marlowepi: system or no, if i were opening that 8 loser E hand I would be saying1H|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: looks like Nickell - Fleisher in one semi-final|pg||
nt|phil: no argument from me on that|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: but he's aceless and Hamman's rule beckons|pg||
nt|sybarra: again, not a criticism or resulting (I hope)|pg||
mb|5H|nt|Vugraphzfj: interestingly, in this hand 2@s might have allowed josh to bid 2nt which jackson would surely raise? |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: ruffing hearts seems safer than trying to work on the diamond suit, but he has a few options here|pg||
nt|phil: sure|pg||
nt|sybarra: and agree with you last comment Phil |pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: Seems asif N should do more here.  Partner's 2@s showed a maximum with shape, and he rates to have a stiff heart (even though he doesn't here)|pg||
nt|phil: 2N might be some kind of asking bid to clarify 2@s|pg||
nt|sybarra: and Hamman's rule= if you can play 3 nt do so |pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: but @hKTx is certainly a deterrent, and the @sA is a defensive card too|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Someone forgot to double|pg||
pc|sA|nt|lml: in the OR Greco led a club honor to maximize the overtricks|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: diamond jokingly plays the six :x |pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|nt|sybarra: I am told that Meckwel bit the slam on bd 51|pg||
nt|phil: @d lead is the quickest route to a set, but it looks tough on any lead|pg||
pc|sK|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|sybarra: I see,  every table played 3 nt |pg||
pc|s4|nt|sybarra: making 490|pg||
nt|phil: bridge is a hard game|pg||
nt|phil: you heard it here first :)|pg||
pc|s8|pc|h2|pg||
pc|h5|nt|sybarra: hi Matt and all |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Hi Shirley, thanks for joining us!|pg||
nt|sybarra: pleasure|pg||
nt|lml: it does look like 10 tricks 2 spades, 3 clubs, 4 diamonds and a heart|pg||
pc|h4|nt|migry: 4@s was ambitious|pg||
nt|sybarra: interesting hand to come in on |pg||
nt|sybarra: :)  and you had to remind us?|pg||
nt|phil: hehe|pg||
nt|phil: Moss hiding the ball a little with the @c8|pg||
nt|lml: which if it holds will give Weinstein their first imp|pg||
pc|hK|nt|phil: but with the 4-1 trump split those losers arent hiding anywhere|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
pc|s6|nt|Vugraphzfj: indeed, the agressive 2@s overcall seems to have paid off, max pressure on the opponents|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|h8|nt|scotty: I'm not sure what the continuations are, but 2N looks wrong with no red suit cards and no tenace - unless there was no other choice.  3@s showing @s value would have been ideal |pg||
pc|s3|pg||
pc|hT|nt|flash: commentators are encouraged to memorize long passages from Bartlett's Familiar Euphemisms...|pg||
nt|bobh1: that wasn't long|pg||
nt|flash: somewhat obviously, the @HA wasn't the most profitable lead for the defense|pg||
nt|migry: i'm actually proud of "ambitious"|pg||
nt|mslair: ace and another spade to escape for one down|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hQ|nt|phil: obviously playing a 2nd spade is reckless, as Kolesnik could be holding off with the A|pg||
nt|me argent: wasnt clear who was saving|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|cT|nt|sybarra: just can never touch trumps (declarer) now can and dro the 2 out standing trumps |pg||
pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|nt|sybarra: nicely done |pg||
pc|hA|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dK|pg||
nt|lml: well making it as he correctly didn't risk +600|pg||
nt|lml: +2 imps|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o83|st||md|1SJT87HAQDKT543CA9,SA4HK652DA96CKQ76,SKQ5HJ984DJ87CJ54,S9632HT73DQ2CT832|sv|e|nt|algraves: and note that Fred had to consider the rare Crocodile coup because if Brad had had KJ doubleton Fred had to hop up Q in the end game|pg||
mb|1N|nt|algraves: to crocodiel Brads J and get him off the end play, then cash ten|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: does anyone else think that looks like 'penalty' double of strong NT?|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: no suit, no intermediates, NO LEAD|pg||
nt|caitlin: looks like it|pg||
nt|sharynr: would not dream of bidding with the west hand|pg||
pc|s4|nt|algraves: well it is when you  are down 80 with 37 boards to go|pg||
nt|sharynr: wouldmay double a weakie |pg||
nt|sharynr: good point Allan|pg||
nt|ahollan1: absolutely vs weak|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg||
pc|s8|pc|c6|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg||
nt|ahollan1: is there some deep psychological reason for Fred's overtake?|pg||
pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d7|nt|ahollan1: i guess just prevents a shift|pg||
pc|c3|pc|dT|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h2|nt|algraves: he has the promotion set up|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h7|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|d4|pg||
nt|algraves: and the club 9 is now in play|pg||
pc|h9|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|h6|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c83|st||md|1SJT87HAQDKT543CA9,SA4HK652DA96CKQ76,SKQ5HJ984DJ87CJ54,S9632HT73DQ2CT832|sv|e|nt|lml: but its best to be tired about an imp|pg||
nt|phil: right|pg||
nt|marlowepi: 1NT?|pg||
nt|me argent: little choice|pg||
mb|1N|nt|phil: 14-16 as stated|pg||
nt|scotty: N could picture as little as xxx, x, AKx, Kxxxxx makes 5@c excellent - and S promised more than that|pg||
nt|sybarra: there are 12 imps for Weinstein |pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: can n/s make 3 nt, or will the ht lead kill it ? |pg||
nt|marlowepi: hits jackpot here unless low club is led|pg||
nt|marlowepi: but probably will not reach game. except that NS need IMPs like the rest of us need.....fill in the blank|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: this is not a 1n opening?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: yea, seems odd to inquire w/ an inv ranged hand, and simply give up when u find no heart fit|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: so the club lead did let in 4@h at the other table |pg||
nt|phil: as it should I suppose|pg||
pc|c6|nt|Vugraphzfj: sorry for the mistype, my keyboard is playing tricks :)|pg||
nt|sybarra: interesting alert,  I thought is looked like a "mulit" type 2 @D |pg||
nt|phil: another liberal 11, but Platnick is in 3rd seat|pg||
pc|c4|nt|migry: 1NT = 14-16 , probably east decided to upgrade|pg||
nt|bobh1: upgraded maybe|pg||
nt|sybarra: can they get to 3 nt ?|pg||
pc|cT|nt|sybarra: 2 @D is multi-type|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: yes, that is correct, i believe sher elected not to make a systematic bid|pg||
nt|lml: 3@C would have been okay too|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
nt|sybarra: N pay bid it now |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: showing 6-7 w/ an x|pg||
nt|phil: reasonable game at IMPs|pg||
pc|s8|nt|phil: vulnerable|pg||
pc|s4|nt|sybarra: and he did |pg||
pc|sK|nt|scotty: Because W happens to have ALL the @d honors, you end up being safe in 4@s from S|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: 9 toppers here on a club lead|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|phil: yes I think Brad and Fred play a sort of 'Woolsey' over a strong club|pg||
nt|sybarra: may see ak of hts and a ht  cashed here|pg||
nt|phil: 2M - that and a minor, 2@c = majors, etc..|pg||
nt|ritong: i strongly suggest you don t ask them " do you play woolsey?", phil|pg||
nt|phil: this feels like a really good stop|pg||
nt|phil: BJ Henri|pg||
nt|ritong: hi:)|pg||
nt|sybarra: hello Henri @H|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|Vugraphzfj: K@h w/ the opening bidder, not too bad at all|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dA|pg||
nt|marlowepi: if S had the 8 of clubs instead of the 9, 3N would be a likely make as cards lie|pg||
pc|cK|nt|flash: who, if anyone, was supposed to X?|pg||
nt|migry: nobody|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c2|nt|sybarra: may see ace and a spade now |pg||
nt|phil: well, 3-1 trump might create an issue, so I dont think its quite that good|pg||
pc|c9|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cJ|nt|sybarra: well this will work alo |pg||
pc|c3|pc|d4|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h4|nt|scotty: You can kind of play either opponent for @dA to be secure.  But if W had @dA and E has QJ, you could not|pg||
nt|scotty: After eliminating black suits, I mean, of course|pg||
pc|c8|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d2|nt|mslair: 5d was inspired  |pg||
pc|d5|nt|flash: another contribution from Bartlett's   :)|pg||
nt|phil: small point - if anyone has @cJxxx its West - he probably wouldnt lead a trump with a stiff @c|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d7|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: A @s and a diamond to avoid the endplay|pg||
nt|me argent: the first trial i ever witnessed in my life i was the defence attorney|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s5|nt|scotty: still, W is more likely than E to hold @dA - he might have led a @d from QJ9x(x)|pg||
nt|phil: oh my|pg||
nt|scotty: good point, phil|pg||
nt|cherilou: they're fine with just the 2 of them|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s7|pg||
pc|d6|nt|phil: so a mombine of 2-2 trump +K on side or 3-3 hearts and K on, plus a few crumbs for JT doubleton, or something else weird|pg||
nt|phil: (combine)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: yea. various goodies to hope for :)|pg||
pc|d8|pc|h3|pc|dT|pg||
pc|sT|nt|marlowepi: u were a witness?|pg||
pc|h2|nt|phil: and obviously with an opening "bid" on your right its better than 50%|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|hQ|nt|phil: the K on|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
nt|lml: its pretty close but thins are not going the Weinstein way|pg||
mc|4|nt|lml: the 2@C bid may suggest too that things are breaking all that well|pg||
pg||
qx|o84|st||md|2SKQ5HQ73DAQ4CKQ63,S43HT2DJ852CJT942,SJT986HAJ985DK3C5,SA72HK64DT976CA87|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: well deserved loss for Baseggio|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|algraves: Fred had to play a trump over to the Ace for the spade promtion|pg||
mb|p|nt|algraves: then he would have scored his trump Jack|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|nt|sharynr: he did|pg||
nt|algraves: rather than the seemingly correct @H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: at beginning Allan was talking about how Brad will upgrade but NEVER downgrade|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: here -- he didn't deduct for 4333 or abundance of Queens|pg||
mb|p|nt|algraves: well he is a ladies man|pg||
mb|3D|an|hearts|mb|p|nt|algraves: so he gets a point for all the Queens|pg||
nt|caitlin: ha ha:)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: K&R says south worth 16.15    http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi?|pg||
mb|3S|nt|ahollan1: 40 meld|pg||
mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: plus 2 marriages|pg||
nt|sharynr: full house|pg||
nt|algraves: well he could have opened anything he wants and still get to 4@S|pg||
nt|ahollan1: too true|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but 1N makes him declarer :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this trials will qualify USA1 for 2011 Bermuda Bowl|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the 2011 trials will qualify USA2|pg||
pc|dT|nt|algraves: no defense of course|pg||
nt|algraves: with everything dividing|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this is because the 2010 World Championship events in Philadelphia are NOT country-specific representatives|pg||
nt|algraves: so we can rest , Fred of course is thinking about all sorts of disasterous scenarios|pg||
nt|algraves: spades 4-1 hearts 4-1 Sheri unhappy|pg||
nt|algraves: etc|pg||
nt|sharynr: lol|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg||
pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: might also have been thinking about whether to play 3 rounds of @D|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg||
nt|algraves: right but then when the second one gets ruffed hmm|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pg||
nt|ahollan1: hehe -- gotta contemplate ALL the permutations|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|c2|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c84|st||md|2SKQ5HQ73DAQ4CKQ63,S43HT2DJ852CJT942,SJT986HAJ985DK3C5,SA72HK64DT976CA87|sv|b|nt|mslair: :) not guilty|pg||
nt|phil: when it rains it pours|pg||
nt|sybarra: and ht lead was really no threat as pointed out by kibbers|pg||
nt|phil: and we are back to an even set just like that|pg||
nt|sybarra: and Weinstein continues creeping back |pg||
nt|sybarra: evan split for this set |pg||
nt|sybarra: or segment|pg||
nt|me argent: no i was the attorney of record|pg||
nt|marlowepi: wrecker?|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: I guess I dont understand the rush in trying to guess hearts|pg||
mb|1S|nt|bobh1: inspired or not it could be a swing for welland|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: Meckstroth also went down in 4@s playing a diamond up b4 eliminating clubs|pg||
nt|scotty: He took a 75 % play - but @d to K was about 81% - that small added chance of W having @dAQJ came home|pg||
nt|sybarra: almost want to get in early with the S hand |pg||
nt|lml: Weinstein needs to make some action smehow if they are to get back into this match|pg||
nt|me argent: my client got what he paid for i was a public defender|pg||
mb|2C|nt|sybarra: 3 @H probably some stayman treatment |pg||
nt|phil: fearless 1@s r/w in 3rd|pg||
nt|sybarra: but better judgement prevailed|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: yeah vulnerability is great for a preempt, but suit quality and 2nd seat are not|pg||
mb|2H|nt|flash: 12 IMPs on 112...   46 IMPs with 8 comparisons left|pg||
nt|mslair: and will be|pg||
nt|bobh1: but they are running out of room|pg||
nt|phil: bridge in the 21st century - you hold 22 real and the bidding starts 1@h - pass - 1N in front of you|pg||
nt|scotty: Eric Greco just pointed out, quite correctly, I think that I was wrong this whole time....|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: Declarer's play also succeeds if West has both high hearts - so only THREE finesses losing is fatal - and that's 87.5%|pg||
nt|phil: he told me that too - so I am ready to take my foot out of my mouth - or at least consider it more :)|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|phil: lebensohl (or variant) probably|pg||
nt|phil: 86 down with 51 boards left  |pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|nt|scotty: Diamond could have doubled there to say "don't lead my suit"|pg||
nt|sybarra: not sure this is easy |pg||
nt|phil: 4-5 back to Weinstein Im guessing|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: With his spade holding, he is not that interested in a club ruff|pg||
nt|scotty: This is a pretty good but unlucky slam|pg||
nt|lml: these deals have not been helpful if you want to catch up... not many swings to work with|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: Willenken "allright roy, u better play the ____ out of this"|pg||
nt|bobh1: chris accepts with all of his extra values|pg||
nt|migry: 3NT is a "state of the match" bid |pg||
nt|bobh1: well he has 3 tens|pg||
nt|migry: you can't win when u r down 50 with 5 boards to go by playing 2S |pg||
nt|flash: with the location of the @S honors, it's also probably a last gasp...|pg||
nt|scotty: N may feel @dA is enough to bid slam here|pg||
nt|lml: and its hard to win imps by not bidding games|pg||
pc|dT|nt|migry: and i'm sure chris knows he's not winning this match|pg||
nt|scotty: And then Diamond will make a lighner double - against SLAM he definitely wants a club lead|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d8|nt|ritong: caught|pg||
nt|phil: sort of like a poker player with 20-25 big blinds - not desperate, but you need to start mixing things up some|pg||
pc|dK|pg||
nt|migry: unless they pick up some (a lot) of imps|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: diamond actually thought about doubling five spades, unfortunately for sher, he could not see that due to the screens|pg||
nt|sybarra: 10 of hts next?|pg||
nt|sybarra: sorry 10 of @D I meant|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d6|nt|scotty: It's nice to sometimes be able to think without giving away info to an opponent - screens do that|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|scotty: Platnick was all set to lead his stiff in partner's suit - now he's thinking|pg||
nt|scotty: He may figure that, even if club void is more likely, if partner's void is in clubs his club holding might help beat slam even if he leads a @d.  Whereas if partner's void is in ...|pg||
nt|scotty: @d, not leading one is very likely fatal|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|phil: otherwise, time quickly becomes your enemy|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d5|nt|ritong: either he hops @c ace and a trump trick disappears, or he does not and a @s trick disappears|pg||
nt|phil: or he could place a low @d on the table and hope|pg||
nt|ritong: although the second trump trick was not official|pg||
pc|c5|pc|d7|pg||
nt|scotty: Disappointment for Diamond - but relief when he sees @sA in dummy|pg||
nt|sybarra: take a look at those club spots!!!|pg||
pc|sK|nt|flash: Diamond awaits the winner; same schedule from here on out...   4 segments per day; 120-board matches|pg||
nt|scotty: This will be 17 more to Diamond team - and an astonishing 64-0 over 5 boards|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s6|nt|bobh1: the inspired 5@d bid picked up 12 or so imps|pg||
nt|mslair: minus 690?|pg||
nt|bobh1: 8 against the result in the other room but 4@s wasn't doubled there|pg||
nt|mslair: 450  can't get dbled after the strong 1n.t opening |pg||
nt|phil: other than Linda and Ray Lees blogs :), here is an excellent one: http://thegargoylechronicles.blogspot.com/ written by Philip Martin|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
nt|sybarra: and N is endplayed already |pg||
pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|nt|phil: a few months ago he went through a match and switched places so he had to recover a lot of IMPs against Jack, a computer bridge player|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hA|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sA|nt|phil: he had this advice when behind - take reasonable, but "different" views than the other table|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|lml: I am not sure if we pick that one up|pg||
nt|lml: I will check it later.  We pick up a lot of blog feeds|pg||
pc|s4|pg||
nt|phil: other than forums.bridgebase.com, and a few others, its one of my favs|pg||
nt|lml: it isnt really our blogs www.bridgeblogging.com has lots of blogs|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hQ|mc|11|pg||
qx|o85|st||md|3SJT973H864D42CAJ8,SAHKJTDQT985CQ543,SK6542HADAKJ76CK7,SQ8HQ97532D3CT962|sv|n|nt|sharynr: diamond lead to beat 6@S|pg||
nt|algraves: hereis action, 6 spades ns, and 7@H down 4 for good save|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@S-4@S or will Brad try something else?|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|algraves: oh yes missed that thanks|pg||
nt|algraves: then lots of action|pg||
nt|sharynr: 4@S seems plenty|pg||
nt|ahollan1: vul vs not, maybe he'll go slow?  [keyword=maybe]|pg||
nt|sharynr: then blackwood by fred?|pg||
mb|3H!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: aha -- going to guess 3@H=mixed raise|pg||
mb|4N|mb|p|nt|algraves: I am sorry I dont know there methods, SO this is the famous " Mixed raise undoubtedly"|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|nt|sharynr: mixed with what?|pg||
nt|algraves: exactly|pg||
nt|sharynr: never understood that term:)|pg||
mb|5D|mb|p|mb|6S|nt|ahollan1: i also know of some pairs who use  1@S-3N/4@S as different ways to raise to 4|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: same strength as 1@S-2@S but too much shape|pg||
pc|d3|nt|algraves: welll it came from the jump Q bid after and overcall which showed a 4 trump limit raise but with offensive rather than defensive values|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that seems best explanation i've seen|pg||
nt|algraves: so mixed limit and pre emption|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|sharynr: as my daughter used to say in her teens ,,"whatever"|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|sQ|pc|d4|pg||
mc|11|nt|algraves: finally thinks west the worm is turning|pg||
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qx|c85|st||md|3SJT973H864D42CAJ8,SAHKJTDQT985CQ543,SK6542HADAKJ76CK7,SQ8HQ97532D3CT962|sv|n|nt|migry: running out of boards|pg||
nt|ritong: this one is favorable|pg||
nt|migry: they can make a 19 pts 4@h|pg||
nt|bobh1: ew have a thin game here|pg||
nt|bobh1: and they're vulnerable|pg||
nt|phil: well a good surge, but at this rate they will catch Diamond - by Wednesday of next week|pg||
nt|marlowepi: playable slam|pg||
mb|1S|nt|bobh1: so some imps could swing|pg||
nt|sybarra: qx was the key,  but how did he know  (so much easier for us) |pg||
nt|sybarra: this hand will not help Weinstein |pg||
nt|phil: lots of people dont even know about these resources - but Im happy to help spread the word|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: not sure of NS 2nt range, but if 20-21 worth an upgrade?|pg||
mb|2S|nt|bobh1: probably ns will compete to 4@s|pg||
nt|sybarra: maybe see a 4 @H bid?|pg||
nt|sybarra: although it goes down |pg||
nt|me argent: but has 2 guess @Ss|pg||
mb|d|nt|phil: 3@c = lead director / fit? |pg||
nt|phil: never mind ....|pg||
nt|sybarra: would be nice "on the way bid" |pg||
nt|phil: except for the opening bid ;)|pg||
nt|sybarra: but on the way to what?|pg||
nt|sybarra: will sound like a "cue fit"|pg||
nt|phil: well you dont know what is lurking on your left |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: always down on diamond lead|pg||
nt|marlowepi: something will happen on the way to the guess|pg||
mb|3D|nt|phil: exactly - should be a value raise to 3@d|pg||
nt|lml: yes it takes a village|pg||
nt|phil: sure|pg||
nt|lml: I dont know if that means anything but it sounds good|pg||
nt|phil: perhaps here's an example|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: while that may be unlikely|pg||
mb|4H|nt|scotty: In the other room, East could have made life more difficult for N-S by overcalling 3@s.  His 2@s gave them no problems|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: over a strong 1@c in the other match, and a 3@s overcall, the bidding proceeded double, p 3nt, p 5nt, p 7nt|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: so yea, 2@s often does nothing it seems :)|pg||
nt|scotty: So they solved the problem, but I doubt if they were as secure as Fred and Brad, who got to KC and find out his partner had 3KC + @dK |pg||
nt|phil: which isnt too far off, but isnt showing clubs|pg||
nt|sybarra: and pard should hit the deck in 3 @D |pg||
nt|phil: many play 2@d as 'wide ranging' after pard has passed|pg||
mb|4S|nt|phil: good agreements are useful here - I think its fine to play transfers over 3@s|pg||
nt|phil: 3N looks 'obvious'|pg||
mb|p|nt|ritong: tsk tsk|pg||
nt|bobh1: or then again...|pg||
nt|sybarra: oh oh |pg||
nt|phil: I think Josh will try for 3N|pg||
nt|sybarra: sher took him seriously |pg||
mb|4N|nt|flash: seems as though the towel has been tossed into the ring...|pg||
nt|migry: yep|pg||
nt|flash: so, before everyone disappears...    thnx to Matt Meckstroth, our operator, for a great job|pg||
nt|phil: but if you are trying to create a little action, wouldnt you like pard to play it, or look into 5 of a minor, etc.?|pg||
nt|marlowepi: 2S?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: i suppose at this stage Etter felt like making a "distortion"|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: and to our commentators for guiding us through the set|pg||
nt|sybarra: some suggest S bid 4 @d  "on the way"|pg||
mb|5D|nt|bobh1: great job matt|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: at least one too high |pg||
mb|5H|nt|phil: I think it makes on a club led|pg||
nt|phil: never mind|pg||
nt|phil: I must be tired, sorry|pg||
nt|phil: I think it does|pg||
nt|ritong: well, it makes on a @c lead, yes|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: i think our favorite club players might try and set up two pitches on the clubs even :)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: asking for the queen of trump, w/ 5 card support, that usually qualifies :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|lml: I like the bid better if Partner is limited|pg||
nt|phil: another plug - I really like a forcing 2N over 1m|pg||
mb|6S|nt|phil: indeed|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: thnx to the USBF for organizing the broadcast and inviting us to participate|pg||
mb|p|pc|d3|nt|marlowepi: if N was going to bid KC even if S never showed any strength, then 3D would be an idle bid that would rate to help EW more than NS (on lead, for example)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: no hesitation from Platnick, nicely done|pg||
pc|d4|nt|lml: and even if not there could easily be some slam some where|pg||
nt|marlowepi: well, the 3D bid pointed the way|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: definetely helps, still not without risk, however.|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg||
pc|c7|nt|phil: imagine Etter with a 3=1=5=4 - what does he do? |pg||
nt|phil: I dont think 1@d is limited, but 3N doesnt end the auction either|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cA|nt|phil: but it is a space hog|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sA|nt|migry: congratulations to the Weinsteing team and good luck in the rest of the event - they played really really great|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Likewise, thanks everyone :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: and congratulations to the Weinstein team|pg||
nt|flash: remember, in addition to the semi-finals of these Trials, the European Championships are underway in Ostend|pg||
nt|migry: thx Matt|pg||
pc|s2|nt|marlowepi: unless Etter's 4S bid indicated "something good", the N sequence was not internally consistent, and the price is being paid.|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
pc|dT|nt|sybarra: so a fine result with no imps coming |pg||
nt|sybarra: what was it you said Phil?  bridge is a cruel game....|pg||
pc|dK|pc|sQ|pc|d2|pg||
nt|me argent: indeed |pg||
mc|11|nt|Vugraphzfj: was a reasonable contract... down 80 imps, one you MUST be in|pg||
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qx|o86|st||md|4ST92H873DAQ873C95,SA754HAKQ4D95CKJ3,SJHJT652DT642CAQ6,SKQ863H9DKJCT8742|sv|e|nt|algraves: a break|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that term almost prevented my niece from making it out of her teens|pg||
nt|sharynr: really, especially when the accent is on the second syllable|pg||
nt|algraves: hah|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: interesting choice of 1@H|pg||
nt|sharynr: interesting choice of opening bids by West|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i think Edgar Kaplan would approve, but ...|pg||
nt|algraves: I like it but I am originally a 4 card heart suit guy|pg||
nt|sharynr: is it too good for 1NT though?|pg||
nt|algraves: even then you werent supposed to do it with a strong balanced hand but I did anyway|pg||
nt|algraves: it was a completely different approach then than now|pg||
nt|sharynr: as Josh Sher points out....a swing action|pg||
nt|algraves: well with good upside |pg||
mb|4D|nt|algraves: the bid win is if 4@H on a 4-3 is the only game|pg||
mb|p|nt|algraves: would be slightly better if KJX of @D was the A|pg||
nt|ahollan1: K&R says west worth  17.65    and Josh is biased [he's on th Weinstein Team] :)|pg||
nt|sharynr: can't really tell which is the right side though..|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|caitlin: bd 85 only Levin-Weinstein made 6@S on heart lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|algraves: sorry kJX @C|pg||
pc|c9|nt|sharynr: thats why they win al the cavendish pairs.....so lucky|pg||
nt|caitlin: yes|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cA|nt|algraves: well this was a solid lead |pg||
pc|c4|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg||
nt|algraves: Brad cant go wrong, two tricks coming one way or another|pg||
nt|sharynr: tough to shift to a diamond before trying for the @C ruff|pg||
nt|algraves: he is worried Brad had 9X 2|pg||
pc|c6|nt|algraves: yes you might lose the ruff if partner had singleton and declarer 6|pg||
pc|c8|pc|s2|pc|cJ|pg||
nt|sharynr: perhaps doubling 4@D might have helped|pg||
pc|dA|nt|caitlin: I would have doubled|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c86|st||md|4ST92H873DAQ873C95,SA754HAKQ4D95CKJ3,SJHJT652DT642CAQ6,SKQ863H9DKJCT8742|sv|e|nt|bobh1: but there are 5 boards left|pg||
nt|flash: pls check your bookmarked BBO Vugraph Schedule web page for events and local times|pg||
nt|flash: we hope to see you again tomorrow and/or on another BBO Vugraph presentation|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: The further the Weinstein team advances, the better i feel, they were the only team we beat in the round robin phase :)|pg||
nt|scotty: It is often profitable to preempt against strong artificial openings - opponents have less room to determine their fit|pg||
nt|sybarra: interesting hand |pg||
nt|lml: yes I dont like that bid much|pg||
nt|phil: I even play it as a preemptive diamond raise with one pard that doesnt want to bypass 3N :)|pg||
nt|marlowepi: yes, and one you must get to while giving the opps the least amount of help on lead|pg||
nt|me argent: some people like 2 talk because they like the sond of their own voice|pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: 8 imps per board is not impossible if you get swingy hands|pg||
nt|phil: a tough game..cruel too|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: maybe n/w should be pards,  and e/s |pg||
mb|1N|nt|sybarra: that's right you called it tough |pg||
nt|phil: a lot of 4333's this set|pg||
mb|2H|an|Hearts + Minor|nt|sybarra: doesnt 4 @S look makeble here for e/w |pg||
nt|lml: there is an argument for open the South hand and I think most players would have done it|pg||
mb|3D!|an|5+ !s inv+|nt|sybarra: the @D's flop nicely for  e/w |pg||
mb|d|nt|ritong: you also need a fighting spirit which apparently is not junior's currently|pg||
nt|sybarra: and the @H's sit well,  |pg||
nt|phil: so, is double here support? |pg||
nt|marlowepi: the 2H bid is known as an "exclusion lead director"|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: interestingly enough, in the nickell match|pg||
nt|marlowepi: even 3S is down|pg||
mb|4S|nt|flash: Nickell +73 with 5 boards left|pg||
nt|scotty: 3@d probably "at least 1 4-card M"|pg||
nt|sybarra: so likely 3 nt here |pg||
nt|phil: I vote its off over natural 1N overcalls, but on elsewise|pg||
nt|sybarra: more I look maybe it doesnt \|pg||
nt|phil: whatever your runout structure is, it should probably apply here|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: alot of illegible writting, so something other then supp|pg||
nt|marlowepi: 3D toy really hurt here|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: I vaguely remember a Spingold match at Chicago in 05 (?) where a team was down by about 80 after 32, but lost|pg||
nt|sybarra: or does 6 @D make"|pg||
nt|sybarra: if I know these players, they not only write small, they write with light pencils, so you can barely see it |pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: 6@d is interesting and makeable if you get the spades right|pg||
nt|bobh1: i would have thought 4@c was gerber|pg||
nt|bobh1: for me it is|pg||
nt|sybarra: maybe only with the right view on spade suit|pg||
nt|sybarra: Matt,  what do you think,,  maybe e/w cant handle it all |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: hmm, on an 8 card fit, it's possible i suppose :)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: looks like 5 realistically|pg||
nt|sybarra: (at leas that was what I remember as operator)|pg||
nt|phil: Linda, what do you think the modern range is for a 4th seat weak 2? I've heard two different answers and both were adamant|pg||
mb|p|nt|mslair: 4h must be last train|pg||
nt|ritong: notice that if east declares @ss, the @d singleton leads is disastrous for NS|pg||
nt|phil: Hampson / Greco got to 4@c but it required Hamspon to wade out to the 4 level over a 3@s raise|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: both north souths introduced diamonds as well, but against 6@s steve weinstein led a heart, and meckstroth bought it in 5@h doubled, that match should tighten slightly|pg||
nt|marlowepi: back to back hands where a 3D bid swung a zillion IMPs...they should burn their 3D cards|pg||
pc|d4|nt|sybarra: as cards sit  3 nt probably better but E knows he is getting a club lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: greco was not happy with his pass "Hope ur not too good pard"|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|migry: not sure how they play it - i think it's just a normal splinter|pg||
nt|phil: I confess I'd probably pass South, but two aces sway me|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|sybarra: and worried about the enties maybe to W hand|pg||
nt|lml: I like to have 6 tricks at this vulnerability|pg||
nt|lml: I would pass east's hand|pg||
nt|phil: range? |pg||
nt|lml: if my suit was good say 9 AKQ10xx or something|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
nt|scotty: Having escaped a heart lead, declarer must still worry about losing 3 spades, a diamond, and a club|pg||
nt|phil: yes, I think I'd pass too, especially with a pard that loves to open light|pg||
pc|dA|nt|sybarra: but Greco knew that Hampson had the rounded suits|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d2|nt|lml: I would like a touch of shape but up to a weak opener|pg||
nt|me argent: this sounds like the KOACHs doing|pg||
pc|dK|pg||
nt|phil: so try to avoid diamonds into South - and hope the @hA is there too? |pg||
pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h2|nt|Vugraphzfj: wow... :)|pg||
pc|h9|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: specifically a void splinter explained|pg||
nt|passell: yes surprised Willenken didnt get in with 2 hearts last hand  especially behind |pg||
pc|s4|nt|bobh1: that should cause roy to devalue his max|pg||
nt|ritong: or reopen|pg||
nt|passell: 6dia  was the spot here with 2 hearts unable to be cashed|pg||
nt|migry: not quite|pg||
nt|mslair: would have to guess the spade|pg||
nt|migry: u need to finesse the spades|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|lml: a strange play|pg||
pc|sK|nt|scotty: Thatseems best|pg||
nt|phil: the other match is tied 46-46|pg||
nt|phil: looks like 7 back to Diamond|pg||
nt|phil: 10-12 / 9-11 feel right but there is a school that calls it a 2.5 M opening - 13-15ish which feels very wrong to me|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
nt|passell: yes unlikely with no bidding|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|h6|pg||
pc|s5|pc|h5|pc|sQ|nt|Vugraphzfj: the point is marshall, irrelevant of the 3@d bid or not, east still has a decision to make on the lead which is not crystal clear :) when you decide to start obsucring side suits, ...|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: it's going to make it hard for pard to know when to compete/save etc|pg||
mc|9|nt|phil: ugh|pg||
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qx|o87|st||md|1SKTHA965DAQ74CJ76,SQJ76HKQ7DJ86CQ84,S9843HJ843DT3C532,SA52HT2DK952CAKT9|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: dbl in possible slam auction where YOU will be on lead?   usually just helps opponents|pg||
nt|algraves: sometimes that just helps them evaluate the bidding or the play or both, Edgar Kaplan used to quip that South doubled to tell himself what tolead|pg||
mb|1D|mb|p|nt|sharynr: lol|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i like the way Allan said it better|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|nt|algraves: Weinstein has a good hand with his 3.5 honour count|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|an|alert|mb|p|nt|algraves: these auctions always play better than their point count for a lot of reasons|pg||
nt|algraves: 1. defense is disconnected because one hand is very weak|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|algraves: 2. consequently declarer knows where most of the cards are,|pg||
pc|h5|nt|algraves: 3. strength is evenly distributed so can play all  combinations and end plays to themaximum|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg||
nt|ahollan1: looks like best lead|pg||
nt|algraves: so be aggressive on this auction|pg||
nt|ahollan1: will location of @D10 come into play?|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s3|nt|algraves: 4 @C 3@S 2@H|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg||
nt|algraves: easy|pg||
nt|ahollan1: well - WE know @C = 4 tricks|pg||
nt|algraves: well South rates to be 4432 it is by far the most common distribution. but yes he has to guess the clubs|pg||
nt|ahollan1: another @hx looks like best -- but looking at all hands, we know it doesn't matter|pg||
nt|algraves: and he will know south has 2 @S ergo, clubs are 3 ( assuming he places south with 4@H|pg||
nt|ahollan1: still  opener could be 2452|pg||
pc|hA|nt|algraves: well yes but you go with the odds here, no reason not to|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hK|nt|algraves: so 4432 is much more likely than 5422|pg||
pc|h8|nt|algraves: besides modern Norths dont like passing 1 minor with a singleton|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|d4|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: i did miss that inference Allan :(|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @CA  @CQ @C and pause|pg||
nt|algraves: still  easier said than done in a lot of cases|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: i wonder if spot the unseen spot card sways declarer in any way -- probably not|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c5|nt|algraves: well  if south is 44 in minors he gets endplayed|pg||
nt|algraves: too|pg||
nt|algraves: odds are 33 at this point once half the 4-2 breaks are rejected|pg||
nt|sharynr: If he assumes 3NT played in other room, would he "swing" the other way here?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: wow -- great question Sharyn|pg||
nt|algraves: well she was frequently playing Venice Cup final behind|pg||
nt|sharynr: alot|pg||
nt|sharynr: but thanks for reminding me Al|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i only saw 'frequently playing venice cup final'|pg||
nt|sharynr: :)|pg||
nt|algraves: as you were supposed to|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|cT|pc|h6|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg||
nt|algraves: she has a whole drawer full of silver and bronze World medals|pg||
pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|dT|pg||
pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|hJ|pc|dK|pg||
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qx|c87|st||md|1SKTHA965DAQ74CJ76,SQJ76HKQ7DJ86CQ84,S9843HJ843DT3C532,SA52HT2DK952CAKT9|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfj: The matchups will be, Diamond Vs Weinstein, and NIckell Vs. Fleisher|pg||
nt|phil: this is one of the biggest 15 board segments I ever remember|pg||
nt|scotty: I was once down 117 to Brachman after the first day, and we got it back to single digits - but we still lost|pg||
nt|phil: both erred|pg||
nt|lml: I called losing concentration|pg||
nt|lml: you have to stay focused the whole match|pg||
nt|lml: when I play a match like this when I leave the room I am completely wiped.  |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: This team has played in an underdog role for 7 days now, very exhausting, understandable fatigue is setting in|pg||
nt|lml: if you arent you are not concentrating enough|pg||
nt|phil: very difficult to when down a bunch to a great team|pg||
nt|marlowepi: that would be quite true if N had any intention of defending at the 5 level but he obviously did not|pg||
nt|me argent: 3nt by EW?|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: interesting that martel stansby are defending at the 5 level :x|pg||
mb|1D|nt|Vugraphzfj: :) i try not to voice my predictions too much, otherwise i'd owe too many free cokes|pg||
nt|sybarra: 3 nt made on bd 39 in the other room |pg||
nt|sybarra: :)  |pg||
nt|lml: yes they have done awesome|pg||
mb|p|nt|lml: but that is what you have to do to win... you have to find it|pg||
nt|lml: you have to bring it as they say|pg||
mb|1H|nt|sybarra: late here for cokes.  think I will take the cocktails|pg||
nt|phil: yes, obviously this team has over-achieved - I doubt you can find many examples of a greater run by a team that came in seeded so low|pg||
mb|d|nt|phil: how did you get it back? steady bridge or taking reasonable, but slightly different positions? |pg||
nt|me argent: with all the power in souths hand it should make|pg||
mb|r!|nt|sybarra: 3 @H a spade raise,  |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Sorry everyone, internet gave out, back live |pg||
nt|sybarra: re Matt |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: They were the better team against two powerhouses Meltzer and Welland, earned their victories without a doubt|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: On any given sunday* :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|nt|Vugraphzfj: interesting choice by Etter, make a support double on 4 cards, then compete to 2@h, any logical reason for this?|pg||
mb|2S|nt|phil: Sher and Greco essentially had the same decision over the 1N rebid|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: I have been a victim of this thinking myself, but there's a certain sense of "wow, we have really come far, we have exceeded our goals and then some" and then start to play sloppy ...|pg||
nt|phil: bridge|pg||
nt|phil: but the mistakes you make in a match like this will haunt you for months - or longer|pg||
nt|lml: they will do better next time.  they will know they can do it|pg||
nt|lml: I hope they can playing and build on this|pg||
nt|phil: yes they will be brimming with confidence|pg||
mb|2N|nt|sybarra: this layout is not great for declarer |pg||
nt|marlowepi: do we know for sure that is what they play?|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: does Brad lead the pedestrian ht |pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: Sher bidding the total tricks, but it looks pushy with a defensive 4333|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Looks like no way to avoid losing 2 @d and 2 clubs|pg||
nt|sybarra: well....|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: :?|pg||
nt|sybarra: declarer likely to play 6 @D,  hiding his low cards|pg||
nt|sybarra: or 5 |pg||
nt|ritong: we all would be happy to be in 4@s i guess|pg||
nt|lml: they did get the worse of the luck this set|pg||
nt|marlowepi: 1H is also an interesting choice|pg||
mb|p|nt|passell: got the wrong hand on lead  when it rains it pours|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: agreed, yes xx was alerted|pg||
pc|h3|nt|phil: NV? no thanks|pg||
nt|phil: in fairness they did|pg||
pc|hT|nt|phil: this example included, although this is exactly the time to bid a slam needing a finesse (and a little more)|pg||
nt|lml: do you understand this auction.  After the forcing club and the positive spade they are doing some relaying |pg||
nt|phil: honestly I don't |pg||
nt|lml: well no doubt have found the 5-3 heart fit|pg||
pc|hA|nt|lml: this slam is actually less than 50%|pg||
nt|phil: I can tell you Sher / Jackson play a more traditional version of Precision, so their auction is self evident|pg||
nt|lml: but on a good day it makes|pg||
nt|phil: definitely a state of the match slam|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
pc|h5|nt|phil: swap NS and it rolls home|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h4|nt|scotty: 3@c would have been touch and go on a trump lead - probably would have made|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
pc|c4|nt|lml: if you use keycard you might not get there off two keycards|pg||
nt|lml: in hearts of course|pg||
nt|lml: playing in diamonds in worse than hearts really because you still need the heart finesse|pg||
nt|lml: you dont have enough tricks without the heart suit|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cA|nt|Vugraphzfj: after much deliberation, a shoulder shrug and a pass :)|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
nt|phil: 1N isnt playing like a dream mind you|pg||
nt|sybarra: was the Club Brad's first choice? |pg||
nt|lml: so the bridge luck gods stay with Diamond|pg||
nt|phil: agree  - with the entry situation, you cant pick up 4-1 hearts anyway|pg||
pc|s2|nt|lml: who will be quite happy when the heart finesse fails|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg||
nt|phil: so I would think the swing machine will be up and running in the next segment|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hQ|nt|bobh1: their system of transfer responses has backfired on them a couple of times|pg||
pc|h8|nt|Vugraphzfj: very possible the next segment could be a bridge renditon of "Custard's last stand"|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s8|nt|migry: they also gained some|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sT|pg||
nt|phil: curious push|pg||
nt|phil: I think|pg||
pc|s5|nt|scotty: Now E will be endplayed in @d for down 1|pg||
nt|phil: or 300? :)|pg||
nt|me argent: playing a precesion like system support doubles are a necessity since otherwise too many obscure auctions where noone knowswhat trumps are but playing a natural system i have ...|pg||
nt|me argent: ABSOLUTELY no use for them|pg||
pc|d4|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|d5|nt|Vugraphzfj: i'd say their odds are slightly better than that  :p|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|sybarra: wont be til later in the bar, when they discover the contracts |pg||
nt|lml: I am not sure that this group are swingers|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c7|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|cK|nt|scotty: Unless declarer thinks E might be 1-4-5-3|pg||
pc|cJ|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o88|st||md|2SQT2HAKJ7DK8CAJT5,SK976HQT4D532C873,SA43H9632DJT976C2,SJ85H85DAQ4CKQ964|sv|o|nt|sharynr: blush|pg||
nt|algraves: for our beloved Canada|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if any specs don't know   Venice Cup is the World Championship team match for the Women - played at same time the Open  Bermuda Bowl is played|pg||
nt|ahollan1: ok -- and concurrent with Senior Bowl|pg||
nt|algraves: so well done by EW here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i must admit i lived in Spokane Washington for a few years -- best part of that was playing golf up in BEAUTIFUL British Columbia|pg||
nt|sharynr: it is that|pg||
nt|algraves: Weinstein kept his discipline and made the percentage play|pg||
nt|sharynr: doesn't it say that on the license plates, Allan?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Nickell has had double-digit pickups in 3 of last 4 boards -- back to even for the set but down 31 in the match|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@H not a psych by Baseggio -- common treatment these days to Transfer over the takeout double|pg||
nt|ahollan1: same board -- known glitch in BBO|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|sharynr: and we are back|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|s8|nt|ahollan1: this set ends with board 90   then 2 more 15-board segments to finish the 2-day Semi-Final|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: I dislike connection problems|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|d7|pc|cK|pg||
pc|h8|nt|ahollan1: if we forget to mention    segment 7 is scheduled to begin in about 1 hour|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|d9|pc|c4|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hT|nt|sharynr: tricky play|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h5|pg||
pc|sK|pc|dT|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg||
pc|d5|pc|h6|pc|dA|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|c9|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|h9|pg||
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qx|c88|st||md|2SQT2HAKJ7DK8CAJT5,SK976HQT4D532C873,SA43H9632DJT976C2,SJ85H85DAQ4CKQ964|sv|o|nt|migry: hard to judge on such a small sample|pg||
nt|bobh1: yes i actually think its kind of random|pg||
nt|phil: perhaps a glimmer of light for Weinstein|pg||
nt|sybarra: bd 41 was indeed 3 nt in the other room |pg||
nt|phil: well they held of Xerxes for a while|pg||
mb|p|nt|passell: lots of advantages|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: sorry, accidentaly redealt the same board :)|pg||
nt|phil: it looked oddly familiar|pg||
nt|lml: the score in the other match is about 7-3 or something.  These hands were not good for swinging at all|pg||
mb|1D!|an|2+!d 11-15|nt|phil: it would be nice to get a little momentum for the next few boards going into the next set|pg||
nt|me argent: cannot understand why @D didnt bid one more 4 the road on 87|pg||
mb|d|nt|bobh1: the advantages are more in the extra auction possibilities it creates|pg||
nt|scotty: Light opening likely to propel E-W to 3N.  If S leads a low heart, it makes|pg||
nt|sybarra: made even with the club lead |pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: and I was about to lay long odds Jackson would take more tricks in 1N :)|pg||
mb|1H|nt|migry: correct|pg||
nt|bobh1: not so much in the lead placement|pg||
nt|migry: and then some|pg||
nt|bobh1: when lefty intervenes the transfers help them more with lead placement|pg||
nt|sybarra: the "catch all" 1 @D |pg||
mb|p|nt|migry: in competition the transfers are so much better than bidding naturally|pg||
nt|migry: but also in uncontested autions|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Weinstein seems to have effectively controlled the bleeding, making a little reboudn here|pg||
nt|sybarra: helps |pg||
mb|3H|nt|phil: and why wouldnt he? |pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: well this doesnt look like much fun, does it? |pg||
nt|ritong: it looks ugly|pg||
nt|marlowepi: agree, as they can expect other EW to be pushing|pg||
mb|4H|nt|scotty: Some might have acted over 2@d with S - either double or 2@h is possible (i think 2@h is preferable between those choices)|pg||
nt|phil: but its quite likely Weinstein will open the E hand 1N and also get to 3N from the other side|pg||
nt|scotty: there is a pretty good case for leading a high heart here.....|pg||
nt|sybarra: some where n/s are going to find the spade shift |pg||
nt|phil: Josh will |pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: Or a high spade!|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: same lead both rooms|pg||
mb|p|pc|cK|nt|scotty: High heart can gain against opponents Jx And if partner has JX, you have the entries to recover|pg||
pc|cA|nt|phil: declarer is not taxed with the heart break and diamond finesse|pg||
nt|lml: there are 9 tricks|pg||
nt|phil: more interesting on a passive lead|pg||
nt|lml: not taxing at all|pg||
pc|c7|nt|phil: 4@s anyone? |pg||
nt|phil: after 5 hearts and two diamonds, declarer would need to exit hand with something|pg||
nt|phil: all roads seem to lead to 9|pg||
nt|phil: except a low club and club back maybe|pg||
nt|phil: Platnick leads the J - why? A: he doesnt want a cover|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|nt|phil: but I think Etter should  which he does|pg||
nt|phil: and is sagely ducked|pg||
nt|phil: so a few more to Diamond for the uptricks|pg||
nt|lml: he ducked so many times its strange he would cover here|pg||
nt|lml: there is no position I can think of that would make it right|pg||
pc|h2|nt|sybarra: mad scramble for 1 nt here |pg||
pc|h5|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|phil: I would assume A asks attitude and its logical to encourage with Jxxx (they play udca)|pg||
nt|scotty: Since East denied 4-card hearts, I see no advantage in the trick 2 low heart shift, as opposed to high heart|pg||
pc|c3|nt|bobh1: was wondering...|pg||
nt|sybarra: I am a trick (may 2) short of 1 nt so far|pg||
nt|sybarra: but only 50's |pg||
nt|phil: Fred trying to steal his diamond trick before the spade tsunami|pg||
nt|sybarra: j of H! should suggest the spade |pg||
nt|ritong: yes|pg||
pc|s3|nt|phil: I think it comes down to how many tricks you don't mind conceding|pg||
pc|cQ|pg||
pc|h8|nt|phil: I have to leave for a meeting - enjoyed this and thanks Michael|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|Vugraphzfj: sorry, was lulled to sleep by north :)|pg||
nt|sybarra: 9 of @H  |pg||
nt|lml: I think it ends the hand quicker and that may be the plan right now|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|sybarra: last trick for Fred coming up  if he play k of hts |pg||
nt|phil: about now you want to turn your cards over and say, next|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Not only should there be enough information, it's his only option :)|pg||
nt|sybarra: Jackson can even play the 8 of @H next |pg||
pc|h3|pg||
nt|me argent: was finessing an error here?|pg||
nt|marlowepi: tough hand, communication issues|pg||
pc|s9|nt|marlowepi: this switch probably more effective if made quickly|pg||
pc|s4|nt|sybarra: low spade, indicating the club in S hand  |pg||
pc|s5|pc|sT|pg||
nt|phil: this is when partner says, hey, I'm not deaf|pg||
nt|phil: with Jx it doesnt matter|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg||
nt|sybarra: and Tsunami time arrvied |pg||
nt|marlowepi: since N clearly can toss the other spade loser on a club, leading a spade from king doesnt involve much risk if done in tempoo|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|ritong: less painful when you re prepared|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|h6|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|h9|pc|c4|pg||
pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|h7|mc|10|pg||
qx|o89|st||md|3SKJ92HT653DJT76CA,S74HQ98DQ8CJT9853,SQ86HAJ72DK32CK76,SAT53HK4DA954CQ42|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|r|mb|3C|nt|algraves: hearts is full of guesses|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: would have been very impressive if Moss had divined to defend|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: wow -- another double digit pickup to end the set   Nickell now within 20|pg||
nt|algraves: Brad is thinking he has a lot of work to do|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i guess we know where kibitzers will be next set|pg||
nt|algraves: well there are 532 friends and relatives of these teams watching now|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|h2|nt|ahollan1: i wonder if Brad's RDBL forced himself to reopen|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|h3|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg||
pc|c4|nt|algraves: so Brad played doubler for shortnes and was rewarded|pg||
pc|d6|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg||
pc|hA|pc|d4|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|c5|pc|s8|pg||
nt|ahollan1: not the type of swing action Weinstein hoped for with his DBL|pg||
mc|10|nt|algraves: well played by South|pg||
pg||
qx|c89|st||md|3SKJ92HT653DJT76CA,S74HQ98DQ8CJT9853,SQ86HAJ72DK32CK76,SAT53HK4DA954CQ42|sv|e|nt|scotty: thx - bye|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Two boards remaining in this set, Play is scheduled to resume at 3:45 Central Time, which is approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes from now, hope to see everyone back for more action ...|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: :)|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Special thanks to our wonderful commentator Michael Rosenberg ! |pg||
nt|sybarra: tied in the set again |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Two more boards left of the 4th segment here from chicago, 60 boards remain in this semi-final match tommorow|pg||
nt|sybarra: and you start at what time tomorrow Matt?|pg||
nt|phil: so yeah, covering is probably a bad idea|pg||
nt|lml: if declarer has Jx and you cover he might go wrong I suppose|pg||
nt|phil: so the lead eclipses 100|pg||
nt|phil: he shouldn't - we aren't splitting with KQx|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|nt|lml: but that is your only hope if he actually has that|pg||
mb|1H|nt|sybarra: another 3 imps on bd 42 for N/S |pg||
nt|lml: but yes covering is wrong|pg||
nt|phil: was told all other defenders except Hamspon ducked|pg||
mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfj: Diamond sat for a while then shrugged his shoulders and bid 3nt |pg||
mb|2H|nt|Vugraphzfj: Would like to give a special thanks to our wonderful commentators Shirley Ybarra, Phil Clayton and Henri Schweitzer @h|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: dealer having lots of fun today!!|pg||
nt|ritong: merci matt|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: play resumes at 10:00 am Central Time|pg||
nt|marlowepi: NS might push to 4H, spade lead best|pg||
nt|marlowepi: wouldnt normally get there but score needs padding|pg||
mb|2N|nt|bobh1: suddenly a tight match was just blown wide open in this set|pg||
nt|sybarra: we may play it here|pg||
nt|sybarra: 10 am in chicago,  that is 11am in NYC,  and 5 pm in Europe,  (4 pm in LOndon) |pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: or not |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: What's your theory on 2 suited hands in the pre-emptive HCP range, at what point do u upgrade to 1@h instead of 2@h here shirley?|pg||
nt|marlowepi: S has no more than an invite and N does not have a real acceptance. but both may go bullish|pg||
mb|4H|nt|bobh1: after two days of sparring with each other|pg||
nt|migry: i don't think anything exciting is going to happen here and i have to try and get the rice out of my keyboard|pg||
nt|sybarra: yuk is my best description  (that is a technical term)|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: and do not ask me re Australia |pg||
nt|sybarra: never can get it right|pg||
nt|sybarra: but will be 10pm in China |pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: Can make 6 here with perfect card reading - N is squeezed without the count if S ducks at trick one (simple squeeze if S wins trick 1)|pg||
nt|lml: I have to leave for a while.  THanks for all the fun Phil.  A really great job Matt.|pg||
nt|lml: bye now|pg||
nt|phil: Kolesnik planning a limit raise but rightly upgrades once partner shows diamonds|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Thanks everyone for tuning in, two more boards remaining in this segment, the next segment (6) will begin in about 10-15 minutes following the conclusion of board 75|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Special thanks to our wonderful commentators Phil Clayton and Linda Lee, great job! @h|pg||
nt|phil: ty Matt - excellent at the keyboard as usual|pg||
mb|p|nt|me argent: voila|pg||
nt|marlowepi: not sure what 2N was...assume not natural as then N might reasonably bid 3N|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c6|nt|sybarra: I can understand N bids,  (thinking he can not get into trouble) but afraid I am chicken and would have opened 2 @H|pg||
pc|c4|pc|cA|pg||
nt|marlowepi: not dead yet|pg||
pc|h3|nt|bobh1: lol|pg||
nt|marlowepi: heart ten needed|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|marlowepi: the corpulent diva has warbled|pg||
nt|me argent: nah sure these scientists didnt mean 2nt as natural|pg||
pc|h6|pc|c5|nt|marlowepi: scientologists dont play 2N as natural in many sequences|pg||
pc|c7|pg||
pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg||
nt|marlowepi: it is really quite remarkablein these trials that the further we get into the event, the bigger the routs seem to be|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s2|nt|me argent: apart from opening 2NT name one |pg||
pc|s7|pg||
nt|scotty: Sensible non-cover by S of @cK - when you have the 9, you know an expert declarer has the J (though he may not have the ace)|pg||
pc|s3|nt|scotty: Nobody has pitched a spade, so he knows they are not good|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg||
nt|phil: sorry I misspoke earlier - ONLY Hampson ducked|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|h9|pc|s8|pc|s5|pg||
nt|sybarra: made it home with an OT |pg||
pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c2|nt|marlowepi: a la suivante|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg||
mc|8|nt|marlowepi: hoping W had Ax of diamonds & E did not rise|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Last board everyone, thanks for tuning in, Next segment scheduled to begin in 1 hour and 15 minutes|pg||
nt|me argent: au suviante|pg||
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qx|o90|st||md|4S965HAJ6D53CKQT32,SAJ8432HQ953DA4CJ,SQ7H72DQ9862CA754,SKTHKT84DKJT7C986|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2C|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: lest we forget -- thanks to Mark for great job as operator|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Mark - please thank the players for us|pg||
nt|algraves: Yeah Mark|pg||
mb|3C|mb|4H|nt|Vugraphzfd: too kind|pg||
nt|algraves: a thankless job if ever there was one|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: in australia vugraph operator is paying position!|pg||
nt|algraves: so Brad got his club lead|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: I don't have to pay too much for the honor|pg||
nt|algraves: Fred catering to QJX in dummy or KJX or KXX and a declarer who doesnt want to get tapped|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this is Jonathan Weinstein      in the Fleisher match, Steve Weinstein playing with Bobby Levin    Howie Weinstein-Steve Gardner lost in previous KO round -- to Weinstein, i think|pg||
nt|ahollan1: ach  Steve Garner  [no "d"]|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pg||
nt|algraves: Yes Howie lost the Weinstein cup this week|pg||
nt|sharynr: Looks like the Weinstein clan sure know how to play bridge!|pg||
pc|c3|pc|h3|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg||
nt|ahollan1: no shared branches of family tree among those 3 weinsteins|pg||
nt|algraves: so declarer is now officially worried as they have found the tap on him|pg||
pc|d4|nt|algraves: he is stewing about 4-1 breaks and wondering if there is afool proof line|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: although last match  Steve Weinstein was often pitted against his step-father Fred Stewart|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|h5|pc|c4|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d5|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg||
pc|dK|nt|algraves: he is down he cant shut out the heart jack|pg||
nt|algraves: brad has to pitch a spade|pg||
nt|algraves: oh sorry|pg||
nt|algraves: that is for ten tricks|pg||
nt|ahollan1: still  a cute end position|pg||
nt|algraves: brain dying|pg||
nt|algraves: any way cute for the overtrick|pg||
nt|ahollan1: in my case   dain bramage|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i stole that from hilarious comedy routine in mid 80s  by Bob Nelson|pg||
nt|algraves: interesting line by declarer , kind of elegant |pg||
nt|algraves: here I bet he wasnt hoping for 4-1 trump and that the semi crossruff line would pay dividends against another line in the othe room|pg||
nt|algraves: good line for the kibitzers too|pg||
nt|ahollan1: this hand does prove one thing -- brad moss can tank with the best of 'em|pg||
nt|algraves: are they still playing? or is it over|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: still playing|pg||
pc|c2|pc|s2|nt|algraves: Brad knows this is the last key play and does not want to get it wrong|pg||
pc|d9|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|h4|nt|ahollan1: saved @S9 for possible upper cut|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
mc|11|nt|sharynr: it's been a pleasure AL and ALLAN..|pg||
nt|sharynr: bye all|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i guess|pg||
nt|ahollan1: restart in 35 min|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfd: best to all|pg||
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qx|c90|st||md|4S965HAJ6D53CKQT32,SAJ8432HQ953DA4CJ,SQ7H72DQ9862CA754,SKTHKT84DKJT7C986|sv|b|nt|migry: it often happens that in the last set someone is going for the kill |pg||
nt|migry: it doesn't always work |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Grand finale folks, special thanks to our wonderful commentators, Migry & Bob + others @h :) |pg||
nt|sybarra: this is last hand of this set |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Thanks everyone for tuning in, and a special thanks to our commentator Shirley Ybarra|pg||
nt|sybarra: ths Matt, our terrific operator |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: :), last board, final segment of the day will resume in approximately 10-15 minutes |pg||
nt|sybarra: but an imp out the window |pg||
nt|sybarra: and this is last bd of the segment |pg||
nt|ritong: with a possible swing|pg||
nt|sybarra: remember folks they have 60 more bds tomorrow|pg||
nt|me argent: suivant|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Special thanks to our wonderful commentators Marshal Lewis and Joey Silver @h great job!|pg||
mb|p|nt|scotty: Most North's, had they started with 5-card @s, would have pitched one at some point - so the position is actually guessable - pitch spade, @dAK, spade to dummy, @d to N|pg||
nt|marlowepi: great job by operator:)|pg||
nt|marlowepi: 4S worthwhile|pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: not impossible to overcome this deficit but not easy either|pg||
nt|phil: so if you are just tuning in, things have not been going Weinsteins way, although they have been playing reasonably|pg||
mb|1S|nt|Vugraphzfj: North just pointed out the margin was never more than about 20 the entire match, untill the end, a well faught battle|pg||
nt|phil: they have just been on teh wrong side of a few close decisions|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: reminds me of some great boxing matches I've seen|pg||
mb|1N|an|Semi Force|nt|sybarra: 2 @h a diamond raise or asking for stop |pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|sybarra: oh oh |pg||
mb|p|nt|sybarra: 3 @S not n/s best spot|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: kolesnik getting a little frisky :), i assume it's just general force showing spade stoppers or something?|pg||
nt|sybarra: thx to Matt Meckstroth our terrific operator in Chicago,  |pg||
nt|sybarra: and yes folks he is related to that other Meck |pg||
nt|phil: Kolesnik loves to preempt by the way|pg||
mb|p|nt|ritong: matt s username on BBo is minimeck  i love it|pg||
nt|sybarra: thx also to Phil and Henri  my co -co's |pg||
nt|sybarra: and  thanks to USBF and especially to Jan Martel,  who works very hard to bring this to bbo,  |pg||
nt|ritong: imaginative opening lead|pg||
mb|p|nt|marlowepi: D lead will help|pg||
pc|d2|nt|scotty: S should raise here - N showed a hand better than a 2@s bid, and S has 3 "working" cards|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|sybarra: lots of vugraph tomorrow,  as the European championships continue +more US |pg||
pc|d3|nt|phil: although 3@c isn't an action bid by any means|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
nt|marlowepi: should not delay us long. |pg||
pc|d7|nt|scotty: Good bid|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Thanks again for the comments work Michael, see everyone in an hour or so, :)|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg||
nt|bobh1: well g'night all and good luck to Weinstein tomorrow|pg||
pc|s2|nt|Vugraphzfj: will keep this table open untill the match finishes |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: table closing, gnight all|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
pc|dK|pc|h6|nt|Vugraphzfj: will keep this table open untill the other one finishes|pg||
pc|h9|pc|d9|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h2|nt|phil: was told 3N was bid at all the other tables|pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: Etter's conservative pass yields dividens :)|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hA|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cJ|nt|sybarra: and it is only Friday,  and even more over the weekend, |pg||
nt|sybarra: save you seats and come back to join us |pg||
pc|c4|pc|c6|pg||
pc|c3|nt|me argent: marshall as usual u have been a pleasure@H|pg||
pc|h5|nt|sybarra: also, thx specs, you comments are great fun  |pg||
pc|c5|pc|c8|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sQ|nt|ritong: now north is crouiked|pg||
nt|phil: everyone else but Etter opened 1N, so conservatism paid a little here|pg||
pc|sT|nt|Vugraphzfj: thanks all closing the table now|pg||
nt|phil: see you in a few |pg||
nt|phil: thanks again|pg||
pc|s6|pg||
pc|hQ|mc|11|nt|sybarra: cuckolded? or cooked?|pg||
nt|ritong: crouiked:)|pg||
nt|sybarra: :)|pg||
nt|ritong: crouik is the noise a squeeze produces|pg||
nt|sybarra: thx again Matt @H@H  cu tomorrow |pg||
nt|Vugraphzfj: gnight all :)|pg||
nt|ritong: ciao a tutti|pg||
nt|sybarra: only 830 pm in Chicago,  time for dinner |pg||
nt|marlowepi: u too joey, always great to work with you:)|pg||
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